Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

[SuperLuigi]

Of the states you mentioned, IA is the only one that is remotely in play. No way Trump wins PA, MN, or MI. That’s pure fantasy. And with OH, FL, VA, and NC leaning Democratic at this time, Mr. Trump does not have path to victory.

Yes, he does have a path to victory. The polls have consistently shown that. The difficulty is in getting the highest % in those states. They are in play, but will not automatically fall to Trump.

To suggest that is fantasy defies the statistical nature of this race. Trump has shaved over 20% off of her lead already, and it’s not as though things are going to get better under the Obama Administration, who owe the Clinton’s nothing.

Otherwise, if the left is so confident, they should just sit this one out then.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’m thinking Bernie will jump on the Green ticket when they shove Biden in as the candidate.

Sanders won’t be the nominee. It will be either Clinton or Biden. The rich left can’t risk letting Sanders run things, because a Sanders presidency could destroy left-wing insider financial deals.

 

[SuperLuigi]

There is no way I could vote for Hillary a/c she’s pro-choice – I’m not sure about Trump but think he might have a better chance a/c the Republicans are pro-life. I have 3 adopted children in my family and if their mothers had gone to Planned Parenthood they would not be a part of my family – I’m definitely pro-life!!!

Trump is by far the better choice because of the Supreme Court issue this cycle. Also, because he will be under more pressure from the party grassroots to limit abortion and roll some of the policies Obama/Biden currently have in place.

Clinton wouldn’t do any of that and wouldn’t be under any pressure to do so because the Democratic Party platform is absolutely pro-choice and anti-marriage, and most republicans will not vote for her, so there’s really no incentive.

It would be good to remind people from time to time that I vote based on the non-negotiable and religious freedom, not on what a candidate says about an opponent or journalist or what immigration policy is. I only play that game because it’s seemingly so terribly important to a lot of other people.

 

[Darryl1958]

Identity politics of the left is the more insidious form of racism in America today.

 

[Thorolfr]

I saw that and today at a pizza buffet I saw a young Latino man dining with a young girl. I presumed a father/daughter. He was wearing a a teeshirt that said “United Against Racism”. I was going to ask if he was joining me in voting against Donald Trump.

At first I was concerned that Trump might turn out to be a formidable candidate, but now I’m feeling kind of confident that his campaign will probably go off the rails. I don’t think he’s disciplined enough to mount a successful national campaign. I think he’ll end up sabotaging himself by continuing to say outlandish things and more and more unflattering revelations will continue to surface about his business dealings. I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes a lot of fellow Republicans down with him.

 

[SuperLuigi]

At first I was concerned that Trump might turn out to be a formidable candidate, but now I’m feeling kind of confident that his campaign will probably go off the rails. I don’t think he’s disciplined enough to mount a successful national campaign. I think he’ll end up sabotaging himself by continuing to say outlandish things and more and more unflattering revelations will continue to surface about his business dealings. I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes a lot of fellow Republicans down with him.

A big threat Trump faces is the libertarian ticket. They’re pulling a lot of people, and probably mostly republicans.

Trump’s business deals and what he says are a side-item and are reported by the Democrats and the media to get the excuse-makers to break for the Democrats. I doubt many voters even understand the most basic aspects of Trump and his explanation of how he chose to play the game to get things done. Interestingly enough, that seems to be what most Americans outside of conservative circles wanted Congress and Obama to do.

I think a lot of this is about easy money from Washington. Rich, poor, and everyone in-between.

There may not just be enough Americans left who care about anything besides lining their own pockets with easy money from DC. Sooner or later, they will run out. The national debt interest is already the 3rd largest expense after the welfare state and defense.

Otherwise, the GOP has separated itself as needed from Trump, and the Democrats have given independents no reason to change over to them.

Also, I doubt Bill Clinton or Barack Obama/Joe Biden are going to be of much help down the ticket in purple and red states. My guess is in at least some cases they are being told by party insiders to stay away.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

1. Trump is crude and unapologetic. Intentionally, inexorably.

Back in the day there was a saying that in the North they loved the black race, hated the people, in the South they loved the people, hated the race. I think Trump falls into the South category - he says horrible things about his enemies, opponents - individuals or groups - (Ted Cruz’s father was involved in assassinating JFK; Heidi Cruz tweets; illegal immigrants from Mexico are rapists and drug dealers), but then will turn around on a dime and harbor no ill-feeling or animosity. He fights dirty to win, to make a point - it is his means of communication. Not personal, not bigotry, not hate. A technique. As a man and a politician, Trump is too ambitious and self-absorbed to hate anyone for very long or for any particular reason. Everything centers around him. Again, he is on the attack when he does this.

I think this analysis is spot on. The problem is, someone like that just won’t do well in the WH.

…I think the left uses Trump’s lack of self-control and offensiveness to paint him into a corner as a real, dangerous bigot and they hope it will stick. I doubt it will - outside of the left mindset, but we’ll see. I frankly think this strategy is the left’s only hope against Trump.

I think that is the strategy, and I think it will work, because Trump is playing into it so nicely. It’s too bad, because this country has need of an intelligent eloquent outsider to challenge the system, but Trump is just too undisciplined. I think more and more independents and moderate Dems and even a fair amount of Reps are seeing him as unelectable.

 

[didymus]

‘Dilbert’ Creator Scott Adams to Bill Maher: Donald Trump Will Win Election In A Landslide

SCOTT ADAMS: I’ve been studying persuasion for decades and when I saw Trump last summer displaying the tools of persuasion I thought, 'Oh my God, he’s not a crazy clown. Everything he’s doing, including his complete ignoring of the facts, is persuasion perfection. I called him to be the landslide winner in the general election last year.

Essentially he’s basically bringing a flamethrower to a stick fight. There’s nobody using the same tools that he’s using. So his complete ignoring of facts are actually part of the persuasion because he doesn’t give you targets. He doesn’t give you details of his policies, usually. So he’s reducing the number of targets while making you feel good and focusing on the things he wants. So it’s not about facts, it’s about focus and attention.

 

[Thorolfr]

‘Dilbert’ Creator Scott Adams to Bill Maher: Donald Trump Will Win Election In A Landslide

After Trump lost to Senator Ted Cruz in the Iowa caucus, rather than achieving a landslide victory as Adams had forecasted, Adams said that he suspected election fraud was committed and suggested that the caucus results were fixed by Republican Party elites.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Adams

 

[_Abyssinia]

A big threat Trump faces is the libertarian ticket. They’re pulling a lot of people, and probably mostly republicans.

Trump’s business deals and what he says are a side-item and are reported by the Democrats and the media to get the excuse-makers to break for the Democrats. I doubt many voters even understand the most basic aspects of Trump and his explanation of how he chose to play the game to get things done. Interestingly enough, that seems to be what most Americans outside of conservative circles wanted Congress and Obama to do.

I think a lot of this is about easy money from Washington. Rich, poor, and everyone in-between.

There may not just be enough Americans left who care about anything besides lining their own pockets with easy money from DC. Sooner or later, they will run out. The national debt interest is already the 3rd largest expense after the welfare state and defense.

Otherwise, the GOP has separated itself as needed from Trump, and the Democrats have given independents no reason to change over to them.

Also, I doubt Bill Clinton or Barack Obama/Joe Biden are going to be of much help down the ticket in purple and red states. My guess is in at least some cases they are being told by party insiders to stay away.

Gary Johnson may draw quite a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters when Sanders leaves the race after perhaps a contested convention. Johnson said he sides with Sanders “73 percent” - m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/06/03/gary-johnson-i-agree-with-73-percent-of-what-sanders-says-you-know-n2172078

 

[GaryTaylor]

Identity politics of the left is the more insidious form of racism in America today.

Absolutely they have done a slam up job dividing the country and created a sense of complete distrust. Further with this fact they can’t unite the country either and the divide is apparent within the party. This party has major issues basically exposed by Bernie in moving farther to the left and complete distrust with the DNC and Hillary.

Trump I think lost perspective. Hard to see what he’s doing with Calif and this judge. The judge is personal and is a waste of time that appears to be race baiting imho, and losing focus of the general election and just how corrupt Clinton is. Calif is a daily waste of time as he could be speaking in states he could win like Fla Pa Ohio etc. Can’t win Calif, problem with Donald is he believes his own nonsense. He thinks he could win CA?

I think its the issue with him, he’s a disaster with taking sound advice apparently. If anything will be his downfall that would be it. I guess they all have this issue today, but here its obvious with him. He may have a legal case and the judge may have been bias, and he may have had to involve himself addressing this to a degree because of the journalism and school. But this is a dead issue not helping whatsoever.

These racism conversations have hit a all time high due to bad politics some counterproductive and some productive. This here is imo counterproductive. The migrant conversation in identity politics is unclear with both Dem and Rep. I think its important they get the border and migrant issue right, this is that wild wall talk with accusations of racism fueling his conversation. Whats the point the guy is an American, but with identity politics its the same question we all been asking with Obama and his systemic racism accusations and perpetual race baiting with american assimilation. So the egos are definitely not helping imho when they push on without realizing the wrong in the name of some undetermined future social experiment called democracy.

 

[Sy_Noe]

She will have enough delegates for the nomination only because the Democrat House of Lords has been in the tank for her for 8 years She was pre ordained to be nominated and the end result will be Donald Trump as President

LOL. You can keep tooting that mantra all you want but the facts are she has more pledged delegates and the superdelegates by not abandoning her are merely reflecting the will of Democratic primary voters. She has 3 million more votes!

And I’m saying this as someone who voted for Bernie Sanders.

Here this may help you understand it better.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

 

[estesbob]

LOL. You can keep tooting that mantra all you want but the facts are she has more pledged delegates and the superdelegates by not abandoning her are merely reflecting the will of Democratic primary voters. She has 3 million more votes!

Here this may help you understand it better.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

She would not be close to the nomination without the Votes of the House of Lords. 15% of the desolates in the Democrat party are handed out to the Party elite-basically thwy have the last say on any nominee. But then of course the core of liberalism is that people are too stupid to know what is best for them. They need the elite to make the decisions for them

 

[LoveMercyGrace]

I discovered C-SPAN covers candidates speeches without any news media (name removed by moderator)ut. :

to just listen to them speak!!

 

[Ridgerunner]

In the video I linked to on post #613, Trump said there was, “An African American guy who was a fan of mine”, and then pointed out the man in the crowd, but I doubt that man was the man he was talking about first. Perhaps Trump pointed out the man in the crowd because he thought it kind of fit into what he was saying about African American support, I’m not sure.

Here’s what the African American guy said about it.

"Gregory Cheadle, a Republican California congressional candidate, confirmed to CNN he was the supporter to whom Trump pointed. He said he was not offended by Trump’s comment.

“The overwhelming majority of people felt offense, which kind of startled me. Wow, we’re so polarized and sensitive in this country now. It’s frightening,” Cheadle said Saturday.

Cheadle added he was glad Trump is giving attention to black issues, pointing to Trump’s pledge to bring down unemployment among African-Americans."

 

[Crossbones]

LOL. You can keep tooting that mantra all you want but the facts are she has more pledged delegates and the superdelegates by not abandoning her are merely reflecting the will of Democratic primary voters. She has 3 million more votes!

And I’m saying this as someone who voted for Bernie Sanders.

Here this may help you understand it better.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

It’s funny how some insist in continuing this right-wing lie that Hillary Clinton is somehow stealing the Democratic nomination without understanding the simple math that she needs only about 30% of the eligible delegates tomorrow to win the majority of those selected directly in elections.

 

[Thorolfr]

From today’s Guardian:

Online entertainment and news titan Buzzfeed has cancelled an advertising agreement with the Republican National Committee, citing the “offensive” rhetoric of the party’s presidential nominee, Donald Trump, who is “directly opposed to the freedoms of our employees in the United States and around the world.”

The Republican National Committee signed an agreement with BuzzFeed in April to spend “a significant amount on political advertisements” set to run during the fall campaign season, wrote Buzzfeed founder and CEO Jonah Perretti in an email to Buzzfeed staff.

But since Trump’s rise, Perretti said, the candidate’s positions have become “hazardous” to Buzzfeed’s readers and employees. “Trump advocates banning Muslims from traveling to the United States, he’s threatened to limit the free press, and made offensive statements toward women, immigrants, descendants of immigrants, and foreign nationals,” Perretti wrote.

That’s why “earlier today Buzzfeed informed the RNC that we would not accept Trump for President ads and that we would be terminating our agreement with them,” he continued.

theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jun/06/hillary-clinton-nomination-california-trump-election-2016

 

[estesbob]

From today’s Guardian:

theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jun/06/hillary-clinton-nomination-california-trump-election-2016

So?

 

[FollowChrist34]

Identity politics of the left is the more insidious form of racism in America today.

Yes, and Trump is really starting to bring out the vindictiveness at the core of the politically correct left mentality, isn’t he? Makes him look like a little bad taste buffoon in comparison. Healthy.

 

[Thorolfr]

Yes, and Trump is really starting to bring out the vindictiveness at the core of the politically correct left mentality, isn’t he? Makes him look like a little bad taste buffoon in comparison. Healthy.

So do you think there is something wrong with pointing out when someone makes racist, misogynistic or other offensive kinds of statements? Trump has the freedom of speech to be as offensive as he wants, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong in believing that anyone who says these kinds of things is not fit to be president.