Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

[Theo520]

It’s not just a matter of “self identity.” Either someone has sub Saharan African ancestors or Native American ancestors or they don’t. There might, of course, be some dispute over how much African or Native American ancestry someone must have to qualify as being African American or Native American. But not that long ago in the South, they applied the “one drop rule” which said that if someone had even one drop of black blood, they were considered to be black no matter what they looked like.

I think it’s pretty clear Elizabeth Warren didn’t suffer from discrimination because her name or physicality suggested she was native american. If she has a drop of NA blood, she passed 100% as WASP.

 

[mary_bobo]

But how? The deadlines are passing in many states for a place on the ballot.

I chalk this up to Kristol doesn’t know what he is talking about.

I tend to agree.

 

[chero23]

Nope, Bush’s policies created the whole Tea Party movement as a protest.

But Bush was seen as a True conservative. Look at how much right wing Fox defended him. People like Sean Hannity, Limbaugh just to name a few. So the whole Tea party was a right wing problem, started by a conservative president.

 

[chero23]

What can you post to show that Trump will hurt people world wide?

This is what some prominent Republican security leaders have to say about Trump.

Let me reiterate, Republican, right wing people, conservatives. So saying this is a liberal thing is just a cop out from your part.

washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/03/02/in-new-letter-republican-foriegn-policy-experts-declare-war-on-trump/

warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/

thehill.com/policy/defense/272078-former-petraeus-adviser-trump-would-be-a-foreign-policy-disaster

 

[Theo520]

But Bush was seen as a True conservative. Look at how much right wing Fox defended him. People like Sean Hannity, Limbaugh just to name a few. So the whole Tea party was a right wing problem, started by a conservative president.

So you claim only Fox is able to anoint who is a Tru Conservative? Sounds convenient for your strawman. I searched and they don’t have a definition. Heck, they labeled Jeb as a reform conservative, among many other labels.

In general, George Bush failed on smaller Govt so he must be a pseudo conservative

 

[chero23]

So those supporting Trump, answer something and don’t blame the liberal media bc it wasn’t the media it was Trump.

Trump said around a year ago that McCain was not a war hero, "Because I like people who weren’t captured’.

theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/jul/19/donald-trump-john-mccain-not-a-war-hero-video

politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317

If we go by Trump standard, and someone once told me, here on CAF, a Trump supporter btw. That McCain wasn’t a hero and he had the dignity to say, bc Trump laid out reasons what was a hero.

I don’t think Trump has the right to say who is a war hero and who isn’t especially when he himself dodged to join the military.

washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/questions-linger-about-trumps-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-war/2015/07/21/257677bc-2fdd-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html

So how can one support a man like Trump and not believe that the man can change at any moment?

 

[chero23]

So you claim only Fox is able to anoint who is a Tru Conservative? Sounds convenient for your strawman. I searched and they don’t have a definition. Heck, they labeled Jeb as a reform conservative, among many other labels.

In general, George Bush failed on smaller Govt so he must be a pseudo conservative

No, I’m going by CAF standards. Every news station outside of Fox is seen as liberal.

Heck, you haven’t seen Fox? They get really sensitive when they put a republican on the spot and quickly go to commercials.

Trust me, Bush was a conservative. The man’s record indicates it. The only time republicans as a whole (or majority went against him) was with the whole illegal immigrant situation.

 

[chero23]

To follow on post of mine #218

1. With Hispanics. I will call out GaryTaylor on this one bc he has said that he doesn’t understand why Hispanics vote for democrats.

I guess many here, especially GaryTaylor here at CAF have seen the comments, if not here’s the link: (I will put Fox News, a right wing outlet so nobody says liberal media as a scapegoat)
foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/29/judge-orders-release-documents-tied-to-trump-university-lawsuit.html
Were the judge in Trump’s University case asked to open records of the University. Trump said he “was a hater” and “a Mexican”.

The man says he doesn’t hate Hispanics, yet, he went after the judge race. How is that not racist, or perceived as racism. That’s one in 2 days.

Second, yesterday at DC he talked about how illegal immigrants are treated better than veterans. (Once again, this is Fox News, so nobody uses the liberal media as a scapegoat)
foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/29/trump-those-in-us-illegally-treated-better-than-veteransdfdsfdsf.html

In short to people like GaryTaylor and those here who have said, “I don’t get why Hispanics vote for HRC.”. In short bc of the attitude that Trump and the republican party has taken against the Hispanic community.

You can say, well your supporting, abortion on demand. You know what, you can say that all day long, but Hispanics do not support abortion or gay marriage, and the people will not stand by a let a political leader (or a candidate) talk bad about their ethnicity.

 

[GaryTaylor]

To follow on post of mine #218

1. With Hispanics. I will call out GaryTaylor on this one bc he has said that he doesn’t understand why Hispanics vote for democrats.

I guess many here, especially GaryTaylor here at CAF have seen the comments, if not here’s the link: (I will put Fox News, a right wing outlet so nobody says liberal media as a scapegoat)
foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/29/judge-orders-release-documents-tied-to-trump-university-lawsuit.html
Were the judge in Trump’s University case asked to open records of the University. Trump said he “was a hater” and “a Mexican”.

The man says he doesn’t hate Hispanics, yet, he went after the judge race. How is that not racist, or perceived as racism. That’s one in 2 days.

Second, yesterday at DC he talked about how illegal immigrants are treated better than veterans. (Once again, this is Fox News, so nobody uses the liberal media as a scapegoat)
foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/29/trump-those-in-us-illegally-treated-better-than-veteransdfdsfdsf.html

In short to people like GaryTaylor and those here who have said, “I don’t get why Hispanics vote for HRC.”. In short bc of the attitude that Trump and the republican party has taken against the Hispanic community.

You can say, well your supporting, abortion on demand. You know what, you can say that all day long, but Hispanics do not support abortion or gay marriage, and the people will not stand by a let a political leader (or a candidate) talk bad about their ethnicity.

He made mistakes with women also, and yet he still is tied in the polls. That said my point is/was there really is no reason for this that I can see. He likes Christians, my point was these are all Christians/Catholics by large. I think they campaign in general foolishly. Now if it was me I’d already have all those votes. They made a natural relationship into a project.

 

[Theo520]

So those supporting Trump, answer something and don’t blame the liberal media bc it wasn’t the media it was Trump.

Trump said around a year ago that McCain was not a war hero, "Because I like people who weren’t captured’.
theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/jul/19/donald-trump-john-mccain-not-a-war-hero-video
politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317

If we go by Trump standard, and someone once told me, here on CAF, a Trump supporter btw. That McCain wasn’t a hero and he had the dignity to say, bc Trump laid out reasons what was a hero.

I don’t think Trump has the right to say who is a war hero and who isn’t especially when he himself dodged to join the military.
washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/questions-linger-about-trumps-draft-deferments-during-vietnam-war/2015/07/21/257677bc-2fdd-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html

So how can one support a man like Trump and not believe that the man can change at any moment?

People are able to have their own definitions of who is a war hero. You clearly have yours and it conflicts with Trumps. I don’t think Trump’s standard disqualifies him as POTUS. Maybe he’s reacting to how everyone get’s a participation medal, which seems to fit your definition.

No, I’m going by CAF standards. Every news station outside of Fox is seen as liberal.

Heck, you haven’t seen Fox? They get really sensitive when they put a republican on the spot and quickly go to commercials.

Trust me, Bush was a conservative. The man’s record indicates it. The only time republicans as a whole (or majority went against him) was with the whole illegal immigrant situation.

Stop playing with such flimsy strawmen, there are plenty of news sources that lean conservative, and you can’t even find a Fox approved definition for ‘Tru Conservative’. I personally don’t watch Fox, don’t have cable.

Of course Bush leaned conservative, but he didn’t act so on every issue to everyone’s satisfaction. Same with Trump.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

It’s not just a matter of “self identity.” Either someone has sub Saharan African ancestors or Native American ancestors or they don’t. There might, of course, be some dispute over how much African or Native American ancestry someone must have to qualify as being African American or Native American. But not that long ago in the South, they applied the “one drop rule” which said that if someone had even one drop of black blood, they were considered to be black no matter what they looked like.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

The one-drop rule doesn’t apply anymore. Why are you trying to make apply now? Are you nuts?

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I think it’s pretty clear Elizabeth Warren didn’t suffer from discrimination because her name or physicality suggested she was native american. If she has a drop of NA blood, she passed 100% as WASP.

She is so full of it!

 

[_Abyssinia]

Possible I suppose. Or that’s what I kept hearing the media tell me. Just as it’s possible that by the end of the Democratic convention in Philly and beyond that the Democrats by the fall will unite at least as well as the Republicans have. And in both cases we could be looking back and saying wow remember when the media was focusing first on GOP division and then on Democratic division. I believe their opposition to Hillary Clinton is what has helped unite the Republicans to the degree they have. They have accepted Trump as the only other person with a chance to become President. I just wouldn’t underestimate either though the ability of Donald J Trump to unite Democrats and Democratic leaning voters by the time they vote.

I think you are a Democrat so obviously so hopefully you think and hope the Democrat division will cease and that the same sort of thing will happen with the Democrats as happened with Trump, first the division and then the uniting. I think the Democrats will largely unite behind Hillary Clinton if she is in fact the nominee, but I suspect divisions will remain to the end. Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are similar in respect to (well some say they actually share some positions or views) but despite Bernie Sanders being involved in politics for decades, they are seen by many as outsider candidates whipping up the typical political system. Donald Trump won but Bernie Sanders probably won’t and so what will happen to that frustration in the Democrat party with the so called establishment, who knows.

 

[Mulligan2]

Trump has claimed to be a ‘practical conservative’ which is why he’ll win.
True Conservatives don’t win elections.
Heck, Bush, McCain and Romney were not True Conservatives.

Why does Mr. Trump feel it necessary to use the modifier ‘practical’ before ‘conservative’? Is he saying that true conservatism isn’t practical?

 

[Theo520]

Why does Mr. Trump feel it necessary to use the modifier ‘practical’ before ‘conservative’? Is he saying that true conservatism isn’t practical?

Don’t you think Politics includes give and take between the parties?

I think ‘practical’ means picking your battles, for example why focus the National party energy on issues decided by SCOTUS or that should be under state control? Even if we elected a ‘true’ conservative they couldn’t implement everything in the definition (we’re not a dictatorship)

 

[Maxirad]

sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Donald-Trump-breaks-with-nation-s-only-Latina-7949341.php

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Why does Mr. Trump feel it necessary to use the modifier ‘practical’ before ‘conservative’? Is he saying that true conservatism isn’t practical?

yes he is

 

[Little_Sheep]

Don’t you think Politics includes give and take between the parties?

I think ‘practical’ means picking your battles, for example why focus the National party energy on issues decided by SCOTUS or that should be under state control? Even if we elected a ‘true’ conservative they couldn’t implement everything in the definition (we’re not a dictatorship)

I agree. Most of the country doesn’t want extremes of either party. I believe we genuinely want people who can work together for the betterment of all of us.

As a rule, I vote Democrat, but in 2008, when the choices came down to Clinton, Obama or McCain, I felt relaxed because those three are moderate politicians.

In 2012, when it was Obama or Romney, I felt relaxed because those two are moderate politicians.

This year, it looks like Clinton and Trump are the choices and I remained relaxed because those two are moderate politicians. (I’ll admit to a some unease because Trump has never governed, is routinely unkind to people and I’m a little confused as to where he actually stands on the issues, but still, it’s clear that he is more than willing to negotiate). I would feel much more nervous if Cruz were in the mix because Cruz is extreme and not willing to negotiate.

 

[Thorolfr]

The one-drop rule doesn’t apply anymore. Why are you trying to make apply now? Are you nuts?

I’ve never said that I’m in favor of the “one drop rule”. But this rule just proves that there has never been a clear definition of what percentage of one’s ancestry is required to justify claiming or being categorized by others as belonging to a certain group. If Elizabeth Warren believes that she is 1/32 Cherokee, who is to say that that is not enough to be considered a Native American?

 

[Little_Sheep]

I’ve never said that I’m in favor of the “one drop rule”. But this rule just proves that there has never been a clear definition of what percentage of one’s ancestry is required to justify claiming or being categorized by others as belonging to a certain group. If Elizabeth Warren believes that she is 1/32 Cherokee, who is to say that that is not enough to be considered a Native American?

This whole thing tickles me. My step-mother (from SC) has always claimed (rightfully so) that she is 1/32 Cherokee. I’ve seen the lineage as well as the high cheekbones on her, so Warren’s claims about her own ancestry don’t confound me a bit. I myself am 1/32 Scot!