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For whatever it’s worth, I don’t think any of that’s really going to matter.
I disagree. I believe a candidate’s temperament will be a huge factor in voter’s decision making in this year’s general election.
For the Dems as Dems, the main thing besides abortion on demand is loyalty to an ideology they don’t really hold anymore except as a hereditament, like a guy who hangs his great-great grandfather’s Civil War sword over the mantel; no longer meaningful in a present way, but containing a certain amount of nostalgia.
I haven’t heard abortion mentioned very often at all on the campaign trail this year. It’s important to remember that for virtually all women currently of childbearing age, reproductive freedom has been the law of the land during the entirety of their life. This is a losing general election issue for Republicans - Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch, et al. I don’t understand your Civil War analogy and nostalgia reference, but I would suggest that the Republican platform is by and large based on nostalgia - “thing were better in the old days,” “make America great again” - as opposed to looking forward.
For the Repubs, as Repubs, it’s chaotic. There are so many ideas of what a “true conservative” ought to be that probably nobody could possibly satisfy very many of them.
You’re probably right about that.
What’s really going to matter is the perception whether this country is in trouble, and how deep, and who is more likely to fix it.
To some extent, yes. But as mentioned, ‘temperament’ will be a critical factor.
We’re at near-recession growth rate, just had a staggeringly bad employment report, incomes have declined, foreign policy results seem to get worse daily, taxes have increased, health insurance premiums are through the roof, race relations are getting worse, and small business just doesn’t want to invest. It’s not good. Yes, the stock market is a fairly bright spot, but it wouldn’t take much to head it south.
It’s easy for each side to highlight certain things to bolster their claims of whether or not things are improving or not. A lot of voters will remember how bad things were in 2008 at the tail end of the Bush years, and by contrast, how good things were under President Bill Clinton and President Obama.
So, who is more likely, in the mind of most, to fix it? Hillary Clinton is “more of same” by any way one wants to look at it, but far worse when it comes to corruption. Trump is weird and inarticulate but has actually accomplished some things in life and seems, bit by bit, to be attracting some surprising people. One suspects he’s a lot better, one-on-one than he is in front of an audience. All the same, his attracting such large crowds is puzzling. Maybe it shouldn’t be. He never really seems to say much, but he does at least say SOMETHING. My goodness how we’ve eaten a lot of verbal pablum in the last two decades, and it might just be that people want to hear something that at least has a little bit of content, however badly he expresses it.
In this election, it won’t be “who’s more likely to fix it?” – it will be “who’s less likely to break it?”
I think, in the end, it will come down to “who’s going to get us out of this hole”. People seem willing to forgive Obama for the miserable status quo as a person. But I see no reason to believe they’ll forgive Hillary Clinton for her hand in it.
I don’t believe things are nearly as bad as your comments indicate. And voters have known Mrs. Clinton for decades - she has admirable qualities as well as not so admirable ones. However, her admirable qualities are already shining in relation to Mr. Trump.
 
Ryan blasts Trump for attacks on Trump U judge

“Look, the comment about the judge the other day just was out of left field for my mind,” Ryan said. “It’s reasoning I don’t relate to. I completely disagree with the thinking behind that. And so, he clearly says and does things I don’t agree with, and I’ve had to speak up from time to time when that has occurred, and I’ll continue to do that if it’s necessary. I hope it’s not.”

Looks like Ryan is trying to walk a fine line, endorsing Trump but reminding him, “you’re not the boss of me”.
 
No. I was talking about the population generally. Accusations of “racist” are thrown around with abandon in this society, often without good reason. As perhaps you know, I was accused in this thread of being a “bigot” because I dared to say I thought Judge Curiel acted improperly in Trump’s case. Never mind the merits of the assertion. The nearest “shut your mouth” weapon at hand is “racist”, and it seems increasingly so as time goes on, notwithstanding that I doubt one in a half million people in this country are true “racists” in the sense of doing or willing anything negative on others because of their race alone.

And it’s that which prompts me to say peoples’ mouths are being progressively shut by progressivism.

And, in truth, it might even be part of Trump’s popularity. Trump speaks openly about dissatisfaction with Mexico and illegals and potential terrorist refugees, concerns share by a majority of people in this country. And, as poorly as I think he expresses it, I think he’s probably expressing a concern shared by many, if not most. So, okay, we see all of them called “racists” too, including right here on CAF and in this very thread.
That would have been me. And I stand by what I said. The idea that a distinguished judge and former prosecutor (and an American-born citizen of the United States) should have to recuse himself because a defendant in a case he’s hearing has said racist things about Hispanics is indeed bigoted.

It’s like those racists (yes, I used that word, and I will again whenever it’s appropriate) who said that black judges should recuse themselves from civil rights cases because they might benefit from the outcome. Flat-out racism.

What does the future hold for my daughter, born a citizen of another country (although now a US citizen), if Trump is elected president? Would my country still welcome my wife, a citizen of another country? Would this country welcome my grandparents under President Trump, like it did so many years ago? I’m beginning to think it might not.

Our country doesn’t need this kind of thinking. Our country doesn’t need Donald Trump, for that matter. I wish to God he’d just go away. He’s an embarassment. He’s a disgrace. He’s a shill and a demagogue and a hustler and a creep. I am ashamed, as an American and a Christian that he actually has a shot at being president.
 
I haven’t heard abortion mentioned very often at all on the campaign trail this year. It’s important to remember that for virtually all women currently of childbearing age, reproductive freedom has been the law of the land during the entirety of their life.
Its important to note the law is subject to change.
About two-thirds of weekly churchgoers say abortion is a critical or important issue, while roughly two-thirds of those who attend less often take the other view, that abortion is not that important an issue. Pew Research Center
 
Actually, Trump is pretty smart to say what he is saying about the judge outside the courtroom. Disrespect a judge inside the courtroom and you are liable to end up being slapped with contempt of court .

Judges are not known for tolerating disrespect towards the court.
 
Actually, Trump is pretty smart to say what he is saying about the judge outside the courtroom. Disrespect a judge inside the courtroom and you are liable to end up being slapped with contempt of court .

Judges are not known for tolerating disrespect towards the court.
Trump is basically accusing the judge of bias and offering up his own possibility of legal action. I hear you, wouldn’t be smart to call a judge racist in his court and telling him you plan on filing a disqualification motion. But outside, he may be a bit verbal but its pretty much par for the course. Free investigation of the judge to see the merit of the case imho.
 
I have no idea what your talking about in relation to your previous racism dialogue you abandoned so quickly.

But, as to your last comment I would suggest anyone who follows Hillary after 1 million murders a year wouldn’t worry about rights, the dead, nor anyone dead in democratic cities like NY Chicago or LA and their yearly escalating death tolls, let alone any evil teaching which is obvious here on this thread let alone persecuting the church and little sisters.
Well, so far Trump has not said I need to “change my religion” so as to embrace abortion on demand. Hillary Clinton has.

Trump hasn’t started any wars or aided any terrorist organizations. Hillary Clinton has done both.

Nobody has yet come up with any assertion that Trump facilitated the sale of 20% of America’s uranium production to Russia (therefore also to Iran). Hillary Clinton has.

So far, Trump has not sold himself to Wall Street financiers for money in a secret speech. Hillary Clinton has.

And, of course, Trump isn’t all in for abortion on demand or partial birth abortion. Hillary Clinton is.
 
Ryan blasts Trump for attacks on Trump U judge

“Look, the comment about the judge the other day just was out of left field for my mind,” Ryan said. “It’s reasoning I don’t relate to. I completely disagree with the thinking behind that. And so, he clearly says and does things I don’t agree with, and I’ve had to speak up from time to time when that has occurred, and I’ll continue to do that if it’s necessary. I hope it’s not.”

Looks like Ryan is trying to walk a fine line, endorsing Trump but reminding him, “you’re not the boss of me”.
I think this is a good thing. It is helpful to have room in the GOP to dislike Trump - kind of like the Sanders people with Clinton and Wall Street. The more the merrier. Ryan opens the door to the NeverTrumpers just like Sanders and Warren do for the quasi Black Lives Matters folks. 🙂
 
That would have been me. And I stand by what I said. The idea that a distinguished judge and former prosecutor (and an American-born citizen of the United States) should have to recuse himself because a defendant in a case he’s hearing has said racist things about Hispanics is indeed bigoted.

It’s like those racists (yes, I used that word, and I will again whenever it’s appropriate) who said that black judges should recuse themselves from civil rights cases because they might benefit from the outcome. Flat-out racism.

What does the future hold for my daughter, born a citizen of another country (although now a US citizen), if Trump is elected president? Would my country still welcome my wife, a citizen of another country? Would this country welcome my grandparents under President Trump, like it did so many years ago? I’m beginning to think it might not.

Our country doesn’t need this kind of thinking. Our country doesn’t need Donald Trump, for that matter. I wish to God he’d just go away. He’s an embarassment. He’s a disgrace. He’s a shill and a demagogue and a hustler and a creep. I am ashamed, as an American and a Christian that he actually has a shot at being president.
Anyone who comes here and stays here legally has nothing to fear. No reason to invent paranoid fears when none are threatened or even remotely likely. For goodness sake, Trump’s wife is an immigrant, and his children are the children of immigrants. I have, myself, sponsored immigrants to this country who weren’t even relatives, and at no small financial risk, so leave off the bigotry accusations when you know absolutely nothing about the person.

Never did I say a black judge shouldn’t judge in a Civil Rights case. Certainly, Clarence Thomas has, and the only people who complained were those on the left. But I’ll admit your aim is good. You shot the straw man right between the eyes.

Strange as it may seem, some actually respect the law when it comes to immigration and other things, also the integrity of the judiciary.

The judge should have recused, and the reasons why become more apparent with each new revelation.
 
I have no idea what your talking about in relation to your previous racism dialogue you abandoned so quickly.

But, as to your last comment I would suggest anyone who follows Hillary after 1 million murders a year wouldn’t worry about rights, the dead, nor anyone dead in democratic cities like NY Chicago or LA and their yearly escalating death tolls, let alone any evil teaching which is obvious here on this thread let alone persecuting the church and little sisters.
I didn’t abandon it. What Trump said was plainly racist. What Clinton said was colloquial language that we should work to not use because of its racist origins. There is a huge difference, but I figured you knew that already knew that and I didn’t need to explain it to you.

Thank you for your personal interpretation on Church teaching.
 
No. I was talking about the population generally. Accusations of “racist” are thrown around with abandon in this society, often without good reason. As perhaps you know, I was accused in this thread of being a “bigot” because I dared to say I thought Judge Curiel acted improperly in Trump’s case. Never mind the merits of the assertion. The nearest “shut your mouth” weapon at hand is “racist”, and it seems increasingly so as time goes on, notwithstanding that I doubt one in a half million people in this country are true “racists” in the sense of doing or willing anything negative on others because of their race alone.

And it’s that which prompts me to say peoples’ mouths are being progressively shut by progressivism.

And, in truth, it might even be part of Trump’s popularity. Trump speaks openly about dissatisfaction with Mexico and illegals and potential terrorist refugees, concerns share by a majority of people in this country. And, as poorly as I think he expresses it, I think he’s probably expressing a concern shared by many, if not most. So, okay, we see all of them called “racists” too, including right here on CAF and in this very thread.
Oh, I agree that it would be unfair to call you a bigot because you believe that Judge Curiel acted improperly.

I agree with you and I do now believe that the outlandish attacks and racist comments are a large part of Trump’s popularity.
 
Hillary and Obama talking racist is ordinary or familiar to them, I suppose so seems to be true. Thank you for your opinion. 👍
Could you rewrite that first sentence? I am having trouble understanding your point.
 
Could you rewrite that first sentence? I am having trouble understanding your point.
Sure, its you don’t have a point but a double standard. Hillary and Obama are racists. And as far as your opinion on church teaching its pretty much a recorded fact thats as fringe as possible. Thanks
 
I disagree. I believe a candidate’s temperament will be a huge factor in voter’s decision making in this year’s general election.

I haven’t heard abortion mentioned very often at all on the campaign trail this year. It’s important to remember that for virtually all women currently of childbearing age, reproductive freedom has been the law of the land during the entirety of their life. This is a losing general election issue for Republicans - Todd Akin, Richard Mourdoch, et al. I don’t understand your Civil War analogy and nostalgia reference, but I would suggest that the Republican platform is by and large based on nostalgia - “thing were better in the old days,” “make America great again” - as opposed to looking forward.

You’re probably right about that.
To some extent, yes. But as mentioned, ‘temperament’ will be a critical factor.
It’s easy for each side to highlight certain things to bolster their claims of whether or not things are improving or not. A lot of voters will remember how bad things were in 2008 at the tail end of the Bush years, and by contrast, how good things were under President Bill Clinton and President Obama.

In this election, it won’t be “who’s more likely to fix it?” – it will be “who’s less likely to break it?”

I don’t believe things are nearly as bad as your comments indicate. And voters have known Mrs. Clinton for decades - she has admirable qualities as well as not so admirable ones. However, her admirable qualities are already shining in relation to Mr. Trump.
The economy has recovered far more quickly in the past from far worse than 2008. It now appears it’s on another downturn. It really is time to let the “Blame Bush” thing go.

Likely my Civil War sword analogy was not a good one. My point was this. Other than abortion on demand, the Dem party has almost no overarching ideology or real plans to do anything other than to just keep on with the same policies Obama had, but with unknown modifications Clinton hints at from time to time. In talking about the “nostalgia”, I mean that the Dem party is “living off its patrimony” from the days when the Dem party really did do things for the poor and working people. I know. I was a Dem activist and party leader during the tail end of the times when it really did, though I did see it going rapidly downhill on that toward the end of my active involvement.

But I’ll admit neither party has done anything for the truly poor since the earned income credit, and that was Reagans.

Every important category of employment has decreased except for government and healthcare. Manufacturing, mining, construction jobs are all down. And even then, the net job increase was only 34,000 this past month. It takes at least 200,000 to simply keep up with the population growth. Last month’s numbers were adjusted downward as well.

There is simply no way to say that’s a good performance.

None of that is about “temperament”. That’s about policy. Hillary Clinton started a war in Libya that has turned the country over to terrorists. Even Obama now admits it was a mistake. That’s about policy, not temperament. Turning Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood was policy, not temperament. Running guns to Syrian terrorist groups was policy, not temperament.

And when we talk about “temperament”, nothing I have ever seen any politician do, without exception, is as macabre as Hillary Clinton’s laughing at the torture-death of Khaddaffi. The shrinks, I believe, have a word for that, but I’ll grant, that word is not “temperament”.
 
Sure, its you don’t have a point but a double standard. Hillary and Obama are racists. And as far as your opinion on church teaching its pretty much a recorded fact thats as fringe as possible. Thanks
Are you feeling ok? Your message is a little jumbled.
 
Are you feeling ok?
I feel great thanks for asking. Sorry your having comprehension issues…try it slowly again.
You don’t have a point but a double standard. Hillary and Obama are racists. And as far as your opinion on church teaching its pretty much a recorded fact thats as fringe as possible. Thanks
 
A few polls have come out…

fortune.com/2016/05/25/election-polls-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/
That appears to have changed—and changed dramatically. Within the last 10 days, five polls have shown the race essentially a dead heat, with Trump actually leading by statistically insignificant margins in three of these polls.
The Wall Street Journal-NBC News: Clinton 46-Trump 43
The Washington Post—ABC News: Clinton 44-Trump 46
Fox News: Clinton 42-Trump 45
Rasmussen: Clinton 37-Trump 42
The New York Times—CBS News: Clinton 47-Trump 41
 
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