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Occam’s Razor eliminates #3 because Donald Trump has a deeply-held belief that any group would be improved by having Donald Trump running it. If he intended to make a mess of the GOP, it is because he thinks the kind of havoc he would introduce would only improve it.

His rhetoric over the past several decades indicates that he holds to the Sun Tzu maxim espoused by Bill Belichick:* All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.* Real estate deal-makers do not achieve huge profits by being open about their motives and plans where the other parties to their deal are not being open.

Therefore, there is no reason to assume #1 is true. Donald Trump believes in something and has a goal, but there is no reason in the world to believe he’ll tell you what his actual beliefs or goals are.

I would say Donald Trump aims to achieve #2. After fourteen or fifteen years on cable television and decades of developing himself as a “brand,” selling his brand to his audience is his bread and butter. The Trump brand is the one thing I believe Donald Trump would not knowingly sacrifice for anything and the thing he automatically looks to enhance and protect. Therefore, I believe everything he does, including his run for president, has that goal in mind. Based on how well his brand has done, I think he’s gotten to be pretty good at that.

That does not mean he can’t make mistakes. He’s had his big losses and his big wins. He may have calculated that he can insult certain groups without harm because so many other people secretly agree with him. Votes, after all, are cast in secret. I think he may have grossly miscalculated the difference between winning in a poll and getting voters to the polls, though. The antipathy he’s sowing may drive far more people actually go to the polls and vote than the approval he’s been trying to cultivate among people who think in the ways he talks. He is inciting a lot of “someone else ought to do something about this because it is someone else’s fault” thinking. Time will tell whether that thinking gets people to take the responsibility to vote. It may be the very people he unfairly tried to blame who decide this election.
 
Theo520 said:
Her management style guarantees failure, we have the evidence in how she insulates herself from people and ideas she doesn’t like/trust
  • her style caused Healthcare reform under Bill to flop. She lied about the process and excluded (name removed by moderator)ut from relevant groups.
  • her email scandal and management at State show her continued isolation.
We’ll get the same failures as POTUS, if she wins. She can’t manage people or projects to successful outcomes.
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It is a completely partisan and superficial argument that compares her record in politics with Trump’s record in reality TV, without mentioning that her record has been one of complete and abject failure.

It is simply not an honest argument to make.
 
It might pay dividends in the business world, where you can focus on one segment of the customer base. Even if you can alienate another potential segment, if you can get that segment to spend more on your business than they might otherwise, its worth it.

On the other hand, his alienation of entire segment will result them in voting AGAINST him, while those who vote for him can only vote once.

And, it should cause concerns for any Catholic who is supporting him that the Church points out in Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship that racism is an intrinsic evil that cannot be tolerated.
 
I agree, but that’s my personal interpretation of the teaching. I think you can find several attempts here of strained verbal gymnastics to justify it.
 
  1. Trump is crude and unapologetic. Intentionally, inexorably.
Back in the day there was a saying that in the North they loved the black race, hated the people, in the South they loved the people, hated the race. I think Trump falls into the South category - he says horrible things about his enemies, opponents - individuals or groups - (Ted Cruz’s father was involved in assassinating JFK; Heidi Cruz tweets; illegal immigrants from Mexico are rapists and drug dealers), but then will turn around on a dime and harbor no ill-feeling or animosity. He fights dirty to win, to make a point - it is his means of communication. Not personal, not bigotry, not hate. A technique. As a man and a politician, Trump is too ambitious and self-absorbed to hate anyone for very long or for any particular reason. Everything centers around him. Again, he is on the attack when he does this.

The US does have a problem with illegal immigration (11 million) - though a vast majority of these individuals are not violent or criminals, there is this element present in the country. Just watch an anti-Trump rally in California, illegal immigrants from Mexico stand there on TV burning American flags, waving Mexican ones. (Can you imagine rioting Muslims burning the Union Jack on the streets of London on British TV? and you are a bigot if that makes you angry?) Trump is using reprehensible means to focus on a real issue - it motivates his base, gets the reality of the situation out there. I agree it is distasteful, but it is effective. There is incredible pressure from the Obama administration and the social, politically correct cultural mainstream to turn a blind eye to these problems in the US. I think the left uses Trump’s lack of self-control and offensiveness to paint him into a corner as a real, dangerous bigot and they hope it will stick. I doubt it will - outside of the left mindset, but we’ll see. I frankly think this strategy is the left’s only hope against Trump.
 
I hear the democrats are leaving in droves due to corruption.
As a protest thousands and thousands of Bernie Sanders supporters are making plans and preparations to say goodbye to the Democratic National Committee. Many have realized that as those who control the party move more and more right away from those who actually vote that it may be time for a revolt within the party itself.
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Bernie Sanders calls for a political revolution, and many are now feeling that the establishment is conspiring against them at every turn. Whether it’s Bill Clinton’s election fraud in Massachusetts, or coin flips in Iowa, or rigged debate schedules – the fact is there are many people who just can’t let this race run fair and square and may the best candidate on merit and public opinion win.
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DON’T FRET, THE GRASS IS GREENER IN THE… GREEN PARTY.
THE GREEN PARTY IS THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WANTS TO SEE THE POLICIES THAT BERNIE SANDERS IS FIGHTING FOR BECOME LAW.
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pivotamerica.com/theres-a-movement-within-the-sanders-movement-to-go-green-after-primaries/
 
Dopey Donald has now said it’s possible a Muslim judge would be unfair to him. Maybe his strategy is to offend as many groups as possible so he can claim the judge should recuse him/herself.

“The judge is Catholic and we know that the USCCB is very pro-immigration. In addition, he worked as an intern for the Beckett Fund, an organization, a group which has supported the rights of Muslim prisoners.”
 
Dopey Donald
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I don’t think name calling is called for, but this…
“The judge is Catholic and we know that the USCCB is very pro-immigration. In addition, he worked as an intern for the Beckett Fund, an organization, a group which has supported the rights of Muslim prisoners.”
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Thats wonderful but what does that have to do with this guys comments that amounts to…

“It’s possible," he could feel the same way about someone else and the case could indeed have evidence? I don’t see the significance out of a 15:04 interview where the passing comment is “It’s possible," its already consistent with his constitutional right with the first judge. In other words why wouldn’t it be possible if indeed its possible with the first judge? He claims he has a case with a witness etc. 🤷
 
Theo520 said:
I’m thinking Bernie will jump on the Green ticket when they shove Biden in as the candidate.
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I hope so, and I hope Sanders’s supporters campaign for the Greens, maybe then a third party will emerge.
 
Trump pointing at a black man at a rally in Redding, California on Friday:

“Oh, look at my African American over here — look at him.”
 
Theo520 said:
I’m thinking Bernie will jump on the Green ticket when they shove Biden in as the candidate.
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Biden? Hillary is expected to be the presumptive nominee Tues in NJ.

As far as Bernie jumping, not going to happen.

Asked what the plan would be should Sanders not attain the Democratic Party’s nomination, Sander’s campaign mgr, Jeff Weaver told Breitbart News:

“Obviously he has said he will support the Democratic nominee, whoever that is.
And he’s also said that he will work night and day to make sure Donald Trump is not elected president. So I suspect that he will be spending a lot of time trying to defeat Donald Trump.”

breitbart.com/california/2016/06/05/jeff-weaver-says-were-feeling-good-ahead-of-california-primary/

What Bernie thinks needs to happen in Nov can’t be any clearer than that. 🤷
 
Sy_Noe said:
Biden? Hillary is expected to be the presumptive nominee Tues in NJ.

As far as Bernie jumping, not going to happen.

Asked what the plan would be should Sanders not attain the Democratic Party’s nomination, Sander’s campaign mgr, Jeff Weaver told Breitbart News:

“Obviously he has said he will support the Democratic nominee, whoever that is.
And he’s also said that he will work night and day to make sure Donald Trump is not elected president. So I suspect that he will be spending a lot of time trying to defeat Donald Trump.”

breitbart.com/california/2016/06/05/jeff-weaver-says-were-feeling-good-ahead-of-california-primary/

What Bernie thinks needs to happen in Nov can’t be any clearer than that. 🤷
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She will have enough delegates for the nomination only because the Democrat House of Lords has been in the tank for her for 8 years She was pre ordained to be nominated and the end result will be Donald Trump as President
 
Thorolfr said:
Trump pointing at a black man at a rally in Redding, California on Friday:

“Oh, look at my African American over here — look at him.”
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There was a Black man in the crowd calling out and then Trump made that comment:

twitter.com/danscavino/status/739330674075787264

If “the” had replaced “my” and guy or man had come after “African American”, it may not appear as odd. Trump though does have generally quite a different way of putting things.
 
Thorolfr said:
Trump pointing at a black man at a rally in Redding, California on Friday:

“Oh, look at my African American over here — look at him.”
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I saw that and today at a pizza buffet I saw a young Latino man dining with a young girl. I presumed a father/daughter. He was wearing a a teeshirt that said “United Against Racism”. I was going to ask if he was joining me in voting against Donald Trump.
 
_Abyssinia said:
There was a Black man in the crowd calling out and then Trump made that comment:

twitter.com/danscavino/status/739330674075787264

If “the” had replaced “my” and guy or man had come after “African American”, it may not appear as odd. Trump though does have generally quite a different way of putting things.
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What would have been his point to say, “Oh, look at the man over here — look at him”? It’s not unusual to see a man at his event.
 
I’m just now joining this Thread. Donald Trump is not a racist. Ask any of the many nationalities that work for him. I can understand exactly where he’s coming from in regards to the suit , just because the judge is a first generation born here from an immigrant family, doesn’t mean that he does not relate , or sympathize with the Mexicans in America. It is my understanding that he has contributed to the Democratic Party and is very involved with Mexican issues here.

If I was presiding over a case about someone who was rattling the status quo of my private life or friends, I might be delighted to hold power over the person who I would campaign against. I might be tempted to release documents that were sealed, if they could bring down the other side’s most valuable player. Because underneath it all, it’s really just a P!$$ing contest.:slapfight:
 
Sy_Noe said:
What would have been his point to say, “Oh, look at the man over here — look at him”? It’s not unusual to see a man at his event.
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In the video I linked to on post #613, Trump said there was, “An African American guy who was a fan of mine”, and then pointed out the man in the crowd, but I doubt that man was the man he was talking about first. Perhaps Trump pointed out the man in the crowd because he thought it kind of fit into what he was saying about African American support, I’m not sure.
 
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