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We should heed closely what Donald Trump has been saying about U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel of San Diego—perhaps more so than anything else he has said or done to date. The prospect that a President Trump might defy the judiciary and the rule of law, together with his vows to violate international treaties and his disrespect for domestic laws, may make him the most dangerous candidate in American history.
Most dangerous candidate? That shows an ignorance of history of actual presidents, not mere candidates. Lincoln pondered arresting the Chief Justice to get his way. He had a congressman tried in a military court for opposing him and his war. He was found guilty and they deported him. FDR threatened to pack the court to get his way. The way I see it Trump if he is antagonistic towards the courts is just a piker compared to the supposed greatest presidents ever.
 
That alleged mocking was hyped by Republicans during the primaries, and how did it help them? Donald Trump still became the presumptive Republican nominee. I’m not saying his language/behaviour is ok, but people know that Trump has been vulgar and offensive. I suspect a lot of people put it to the side and though they may not like it, they care about other issues. There is so many negative and controversial things that Trump has said, who doesn’t know this stuff? Is it a shock, is it a surprise? Is this ad such a “brutal” takedown?
Just because Trump supporters voting for him in a 2016 Republican primary put these things aside, doesn’t mean a fall general election electorate in a Presidential yr will.
 
Just because Trump supporters voting for him in a 2016 Republican primary put these things aside, doesn’t mean a fall general election electorate in a Presidential yr will.
It’s early perhaps, but the head-to-head polls show that Trump is very competitive. He could win.
 
That alleged mocking was hyped by Republicans during the primaries, and how did it help them? Donald Trump still became the presumptive Republican nominee. I’m not saying his language/behaviour is ok, but people know that Trump has been vulgar and offensive. I suspect a lot of people put it to the side and though they may not like it, they care about other issues. There is so many negative and controversial things that Trump has said, who doesn’t know this stuff? Is it a shock, is it a surprise? Is this ad such a “brutal” takedown?
In what way was Trump’s mocking of a disabled person alleged? According to Merriam-Webster, the definition of “alleged” is “said to have happened but not yet proven.” But since Trump mocked the disabled reporter in front of thousands of people and it was recorded on tape, I’m not sure how this can be considered to merely be alleged.
 
Trump’s attacks on Judge Curiel as well as on Hispanics in his own party such as New Mexico Gov. Susanna Martinez have alienated many Hispanics who would have voted for him. Nevada’s Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, himself Hispanic and a former federal judge, said that Trump’s comments about Curiel were “indefensible” and even though he had said last month that he planned to vote for Trump, he yesterday said, "I support the Republican Party and will continue to help elect strong Republican leaders in Nevada but at this time I cannot say I will definitely vote for Mr. Trump.”
 
Trump’s attacks on Judge Curiel as well as on Hispanics in his own party such as New Mexico Gov. Susanna Martinez have alienated many Hispanics who would have voted for him. Nevada’s Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, himself Hispanic and a former federal judge, said that Trump’s comments about Curiel were “indefensible” and even though he had said last month that he planned to vote for Trump, he yesterday said, "I support the Republican Party and will continue to help elect strong Republican leaders in Nevada but at this time I cannot say I will definitely vote for Mr. Trump.”
A bit weak on Sandoval’s part, suggesting he might change if Trump persuades him to do so.

Quite likely the Judge Curiel thing has alienated many Hispanics, but on the spin, not the reality of the situation. The reality is that Curiel should have recused himself, but didn’t.

I’ll say again that I’m probably spoiled in this because in my state, judges aren’t supposed to involve themselves in politics at all, other than their own elections. It’s an ethical violation if they do. Personally, I think it’s an ethical violation to do it even if they’re not prohibited from it.
 
In what way was Trump’s mocking of a disabled person alleged? According to Merriam-Webster, the definition of “alleged” is “said to have happened but not yet proven.” But since Trump mocked the disabled reporter in front of thousands of people and it was recorded on tape, I’m not sure how this can be considered to merely be alleged.
Well, on the other hand, we *know *that, due to Hillary Clinton’s lapses of judgment, Americans died in Libya (not sure what happened to the 3 am phone call from the ambassador; what does it matter now, he’s gone) and American high security classified data was being accessed by foreign hackers - China and/or Russia.

I am not defending Trump here - I do think he crosses the line. I am just saying if we broaden our perspective here and objectively assess who crossed what line, it gets a little more complicated in the context of demonstrable qualifications to run the country. (but of course Hilllary is also the first woman nominee, so we probably need to give that quite a bit of weight too; it is a great day for all women in America, whether we like or not)
 
It’s funny how the right wing media and Bernie Sanders can’t do the math to realize that Hillary Clinton has won the majority of the delegates that were voted upon directly by the voters.
As a right winger I love the fact that Trump is going to take on Hillary. Hillary is corrupt and Trump is going to make sure its talked about over and over.
 
As a right winger I love the fact that Trump is going to take on Hillary. Hillary is corrupt and Trump is going to make sure its talked about over and over.
Probably, but her surrogates are going to Trump University was a fraud over and over again, so it’s not clear he’ll gain an advantage in doing this.
 
I don’t think Ryan (or most Republican politicians) can stand Trump. They are busy trying to figure out how to survive the next 5 months until Trump loses without tarnishing their own reputation or the Republican brand beyond hope. They know they are all in deep trouble if he does win.
Youre right that Ryan and most republicans dont like Trump. At least the elitist Republicans, the ones that worry about foreigner having jobs in the USA but Americans in American dont deserve jobs. The same republicans that are only too happy when carrier shipped almost 2000 jobs to Mexico. Yep, those republican cant stand trump. They also cant stand the average american. They despise the middle class as stupid and unwashed. Just make a list of all Republican and you will have a list of elitist.
 
Trump’s attacks on Judge Curiel as well as on Hispanics in his own party such as New Mexico Gov. Susanna Martinez have alienated many Hispanics who would have voted for him. Nevada’s Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval, himself Hispanic and a former federal judge, said that Trump’s comments about Curiel were “indefensible” and even though he had said last month that he planned to vote for Trump, he yesterday said, "I support the Republican Party and will continue to help elect strong Republican leaders in Nevada but at this time I cannot say I will definitely vote for Mr. Trump.”
I had previously heard Sandoval was a possible Trump VP selection. Maybe scratch that if he can’t say he will vote for Mr Trump.
 
Youre right that Ryan and most republicans dont like Trump. At least the elitist Republicans, the ones that worry about foreigner having jobs in the USA but Americans in American dont deserve jobs. The same republicans that are only too happy when carrier shipped almost 2000 jobs to Mexico. Yep, those republican cant stand trump. They also cant stand the average american. They despise the middle class as stupid and unwashed. Just make a list of all Republican and you will have a list of elitist.
I agree and am really shocked at the elitist tone of the GOP, especially the NeverTrump wing. There are times to air your elitism and times to give it a rest. Speaking as a representative of the GOP is a good time to give it a rest. I also detect a lot of anger at Trump’s rejection of Reaganomics - his openness to various forms of socialized health care, helping the working class get their jobs back by renegotiating trade deals. Progressive taxes. NeoCons really hate that kind of stuff. I think this divorce of the white working class and the NeoCons is long overdue. Well, not a divorce, a redefinition of the principles of the GOP with respect to the poor AND the rich.

Trump doesn’t help himself with his anti-Mexican zingers though, for sure. I think it is ok to support Trump and still call him out for mis-steps. The Sanders people criticize Clinton for Wall Street - and speaking of which, the Democrats have not served the working class very well either in terms of jobs or trade, anyway. Unless you count the return of the welfare state under Obama (significantly nixed by Bill Clinton).
 
Probably, but her surrogates are going to Trump University was a fraud over and over again, so it’s not clear he’ll gain an advantage in doing this.
Disclaimer, I don’t support either candidate, but Hillary has already put out some attack ads and they are pretty effective, one particular one used all footage of Trump and his various quotes.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride.
 
It’s early perhaps, but the head-to-head polls show that Trump is very competitive. He could win.
He could. I have consistently said that the Dems need to take him seriously because he is a serious politician. But I don’t think his recent behavior bodes well for his chances.
 
Well, on the other hand, we *know *that, due to Hillary Clinton’s lapses of judgment, Americans died in Libya (not sure what happened to the 3 am phone call from the ambassador; what does it matter now, he’s gone) and American high security classified data was being accessed by foreign hackers - China and/or Russia.
There’s no evidence that Hillary’s email server was hacked. As for Benghazi, 4 Americans died there and this might have been due at least in part to mistakes on Hillary’s part. But it’s a bit of a stretch, however, to conclude that she was solely responsible. There were other other decision makers involved besides her. Moreover, this possible lapse on her part pales in comparison to the lapses in judgement committed by George W. Bush that got over 4000 Americans killed in Iraq under his watch.
 
He could. I have consistently said that the Dems need to take him seriously because he is a serious politician. But I don’t think his recent behavior bodes well for his chances.
I think it is too early to call it either way. Trump needs to learn and adjust to running a general campaign: he has to get past the Apprentice routine. (Unfortuately much of that is his real personality apparently. But he wants to win; he has invested incredible effort, time, etc. into this - he cannot want failure.) I don’t know how Hillary “adjusts”; she represents the status quo. She has to rely on the anti-Trump message; there isn’t a lot in her background to recommend her that stands up under serious scrutiny. Her negatives are not far behind his.

If he stops obliging her, Trump can pull it out, I think quite effortlessly. What amazes me is this whole judge/Trump U/racist thing is Trump’s doing - not the Democrats or the mainstream media. Will he learn to stop getting so distracted and self-destructive - to get attention back on Hillary?
 
He could. I have consistently said that the Dems need to take him seriously because he is a serious politician. But I don’t think his recent behavior bodes well for his chances.
He could since he has a path in the Electoral College, a narrow one which he must maneuver almost perfectly and with little room for further potholes he may create. The road is laden however with a lot material already for ads.
 
There’s no evidence that Hillary’s email server was hacked. As for Benghazi, 4 Americans died there and this might have been due at least in part to mistakes on Hillary’s part. But it’s a bit of a stretch, however, to conclude that she was solely responsible. There were other other decision makers involved besides her. Moreover, this possible lapse on her part pales in comparison to the lapses in judgement committed by George W. Bush that got over 4000 Americans killed in Iraq under his watch.
You’re missing one important point though, Thorolfr, which I feel obligated to add. It’s just easier to blame everything on Hillary.
 
I think it is too early to call it either way. Trump needs to learn and adjust to running a general campaign: he has to get past the Apprentice routine. (Unfortuately much of that is his real personality apparently. But he wants to win; he has invested incredible effort, time, etc. into this - he cannot want failure.) I don’t know how Hillary “adjusts”; she represents the status quo. She has to rely on the anti-Trump message; there isn’t a lot in her background to recommend her that stands up under serious scrutiny. Her negatives are not far behind his.

If he stops obliging her, Trump can pull it out, I think quite effortlessly. What amazes me is this whole judge/Trump U/racist thing is Trump’s doing - not the Democrats or the mainstream media. Will he learn to stop getting so distracted and self-destructive - to get attention back on Hillary?
I agree, mostly. On Hillary’s appeal, I would say that same thing that I say to my Dem friends about Trump. Don’t underestimate her. She has a lot of appeal to a lot of people, and she is a serious and talented politician. That said, they both have a lot of baggage. The difference, right now, is that he is busy creating more baggage. I agree he needs to get a handle on that if he is going to succeed.
 
I agree, mostly. On Hillary’s appeal, I would say that same thing that I say to my Dem friends about Trump. Don’t underestimate her. She has a lot of appeal to a lot of people, and she is a serious and talented politician. That said, they both have a lot of baggage. The difference, right now, is that he is busy creating more baggage. I agree he needs to get a handle on that if he is going to succeed.
No worries. I don’t underestimate the Clinton / Democratic Establishment + Mainstream Media Machine one iota. I am terrified of its power. It runs the country.
 
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