Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

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FollowChrist34 said:
I totally agree. I am not really a Democrat or a Republican either. But I am shocked at how deep this anti-Trump thing runs - the fact that so much of the GOP establishment would rather see Clinton in the White House than hold their nose and support Trump. Do they really have as little in common with Trump as they do with Clinton? Do they share enough values with Clinton and where she will take the country to essentially help her get there? I was very anti-Trump too, but as soon as I saw that was a dead-end, I got over it. (I do actually respect the people’s vote) It scares me how short-sighted and vindictive the establishment is being. They are just getting in line with the Democrats against Trump because they are cowards, lack vision (political correctness over helping the country) - they have no meaningful plan for leading the country, no alternative to Trump or the Democrats. Just destroy mode, full stop. And they are calling it " conservative principles" - that is the best part.
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It’s not a matter of being vindictive. Many people see Trump ad being downright dangerous for the survival of this country.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It’s not a matter of being vindictive. Many people see Trump ad being downright dangerous for the survival of this country.
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I frankly doubt that’s what those Repubs are thinking. Not only is Trump not a member of their “club”, he is soon to be the titular leader of the party. Now, what is that going to mean for them? Will he try to move the party away from some of their most treasured (and unsaleable) uber-nuanced conservative ideas? Will he replace the party functionaries? Worst of all, will he invite different people to the high-end Repub get togethers at the best watering holes?

I think if I was one of the party eminences, I would be thinking about that too. Ed Rollin, though, seems to have decided it best to join with Trump than fight him.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
A lot people feel that way about Clinton too.
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Unfortunately Trump and Clinton are the choices we have for President.

I believe a lot of people will vote for A or B not bc of the person, but bc of how much they dislike the other person.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I frankly doubt that’s what those Repubs are thinking. Not only is Trump not a member of their “club”, he is soon to be the titular leader of the party. Now, what is that going to mean for them? Will he try to move the party away from some of their most treasured (and unsaleable) uber-nuanced conservative ideas? Will he replace the party functionaries? Worst of all, will he invite different people to the high-end Repub get togethers at the best watering holes?

I think if I was one of the party eminences, I would be thinking about that too. Ed Rollin, though, seems to have decided it best to join with Trump than fight him.
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He (Trump) is the leader of the party now. If he loses, he will be like Romney, just a former presidential candidate.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
A lot people feel that way about Clinton too.
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Yes. I don’t feel at all comfortable with “changing my religion” for Hillary Clinton, and I don’t know what she intends to do in endeavoring to make me do it.

Trump probably never even thinks about changing anybody’s religion, his own or anybody else’s.
 
chero23 said:
He (Trump) is the leader of the party now. If he loses, he will be like Romney, just a former presidential candidate.
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I don’t know…I think Romney is pretty close to Jesus Christ these days for the folks at NR…;)😃

(Ever read Waiting for Godot? :o)
 
chero23 said:
Unfortunately Trump and Clinton are the choices we have for President.

I believe a lot of people will vote for A or B not bc of the person, but bc of how much they dislike the other person.
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Not me.

It’s not a matter of liking or disliking. It’s a matter of opposing the promoter of abortion who not only wants me to pay for it, but wants me to “change my religion” to accept it as well. I could hate Trump with a passion and still vote against Hillary Clinton.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I frankly doubt that’s what those Repubs are thinking. Not only is Trump not a member of their “club”, he is soon to be the titular leader of the party. Now, what is that going to mean for them? Will he try to move the party away from some of their most treasured (and unsaleable) uber-nuanced conservative ideas? Will he replace the party functionaries? Worst of all, will he invite different people to the high-end Repub get togethers at the best watering holes?

I think if I was one of the party eminences, I would be thinking about that too. Ed Rollin, though, seems to have decided it best to join with Trump than fight him.
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I think the establishment Repubs are smarter than that, and are thinking long term. They have written off the Presidency for this year, and are concentrating on the House and the Senate. They don’t want to all be dragged down by Trump. Then, in 2020, with the population thoroughly disappointed by four years of Clinton, they hope to be poised to take the Presidency, as well as other offices. It is a better long term strategy.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I think the establishment Repubs are smarter than that, and are thinking long term. They have written off the Presidency for this year, and are concentrating on the House and the Senate. They don’t want to all be dragged down by Trump. Then, in 2020, with the population thoroughly disappointed by four years of Clinton, they hope to be poised to take the Presidency, as well as other offices. It is a better long term strategy.
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Maybe so. But even if voters reject Trump, which is by no means certain, they’ll forgive those who supported him, and certainly those who just stood silent. But those who do vote for Trump will not forgive them if he loses.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Not me.

It’s not a matter of liking or disliking. It’s a matter of opposing the promoter of abortion who not only wants me to pay for it, but wants me to “change my religion” to accept it as well. I could hate Trump with a passion and still vote against Hillary Clinton.
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But see, unfortunately not everyone will vote with your mentality.

Some will say, I hate HRC and not vote for her, but I don’t like Trump but ill vote for him, not bc of him, but bc of her.
 
chero23 said:
But see, unfortunately not everyone will vote with your mentality.

Some will say, I hate HRC and not vote for her, but I don’t like Trump but ill vote for him, not bc of him, but bc of her.
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I’m old enough to have finally learned that personalities really don’t matter in most things. Effects are what matter.
 
TobyLue said:
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Why did you omit the part in the middle. “The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church.

What the Pope may say in the spur of the moment cannot be considered official Catholic Teaching. I personally do not like the Dallas Cowboys, If the pope were to say that he likes the Cowboys would that mean that I as a loyal Catholic would have to follow him and like them? Of course not. The teachings of the CC are clear in the issue of abortion, gay marriages and such.
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BTW you seem to question my profile “Loyal to the Pope”. I could say that your profile “non practicing Roman Catholic with a mainline Christian Faith” is an oxymoron. Why not just say you are a CINO? And I’m not even going to start regarding a “…mainline Christian Faith.”

This will be my last post on this thread,

God Bless You and I will pray for your return to the Church that Jesus founded.
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I just assumed everyone here probably knows the visible head of the Catholic Church on earth is the Pope so I didn’t feel a need to quote that he is of the Catholic Church and that he delivers the whole package of the Catholic faith. I realize there’s a great deal of “and such” in the whole package though.

As Cardinal Wuerl said about Pope Francis, “I think he probably recognizes, as popes have always had to recognize, certainly as we bishops have to recognize, there are those who take part of what we say and there are others that take another part of what we say. But we have to keep saying the whole package. We have to keep delivering the entire package. I think that’s what the pope does. And he takes joy in it when you see him delivering a talk, a homily, you see him in the midst of people, he takes great joy in representing the whole faith, the whole package. But there will always be some discussion among people what part they like best and for some, what part they’re going to accept.”

foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/21/cardinal-donald-wuerl-on-pope-climate-change-message-can-rick-perry-escape/

No. It was merely a statement of fact that you profess loyalty since you do. I don’t know you to even begin to question your faith.

Because a former bishop of mine didn’t describe me as a CINO.

God bless you too.
 
Ridgerunner said:
When I left the Dem party I never did become a Repub. I’m just a political orphan or something. But I’m now glad I never did become a Repub because if I did, my present state of irritation with the party would be more like anger.

What they’re apparently not taking into proper consideration is that their food fight with Trump threatens us peasants. Hillary Clinton will appoint a nearly all-abortionist Supreme Court that has no regard whatever for the constitution. She’ll sell us out for money in more serious ways than she has so far. For goodness sake, Obama has sold our interests out to Iran for free. How much worse could it get with Hillary doing it for money? One thing the Mullahs are not is stupid. They probably have every email she ever sent or got from Blumenthal. They probably have every email about State Dept favors in exchange for “speaking fees” to Bill. It’s horrible to imagine what the bad actors have.

But worst of all, they know she can be bought.

National Review and Romney and all those people ought to argue the fine points of “true conservatism” among themselves over a single malt scotch or something. Yes, they’ll have plenty to write about if Clinton is elected, but we’ll all have to live with it.
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Live with it or die because of it! Many others have. :sad_bye:
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m old enough to have finally learned that personalities really don’t matter in most things. Effects are what matter.
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The exception to that could well be Ronald Reagan. His upbeat personality and optimism really turned the mood of the country around.
More than any policy that he was responsible for, I think his leadership was the effect of his enthusiasm and confidence in being an American that turned out to be contagious, and was the beginning of the largest boon of the whole of American history.
 
Darryl1958 said:
I think that as they are coming to the realization that Trump has slim chances of going any further
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That cuts both ways: some see Trump as having a slim chance of beating Clinton, some believe that anyone else has a slim chance of beating Clinton.
 
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