Donald Trump Presidential Campaign Thread

[Darryl1958]

That cuts both ways: some see Trump as having a slim chance of beating Clinton, some believe that anyone else has a slim chance of beating Clinton.

It is pure fantasy to believe that anyone else has any chance at all of beating Clinton, since Trump has the Republican nomination sealed.

 

[_Abyssinia]

National Review have an article where they detail a tactic in which Gary Johnson can be used to keep Hillary Clinton from getting the electoral numbers she needs to win, which would require in select states, Trump asking his supporters to vote for Gary Johnson, in Michigan, Connecticut and New Mexico because Clinton could then a win a number of named states in the article, but if she the lost NM, CO and MI, she wouldn’t get get to 270. This is I think, a pretty surprising post from the National View which hasn’t exactly been overly friendly to Trump and it’s written by a Weekly Standard contributor, and again the Weekly standard hasn’t exactly been friendly to Trump either, although I’m not sure who the author supports, if any of the candidates.

I’m a little confused by it.

nationalreview.com/article/436788/hillarys-weak-electoral-math

Is there no moral problem with tactical voting for a Catholic in this scenario, I’m curious?

 

[Darryl1958]

National Review have an article where they detail a tactic in which Gary Johnson can be used to keep Hillary Clinton from getting the electoral numbers she needs to win, which would require in select states, Trump asking his supporters to vote for Gary Johnson, in Michigan, Connecticut and New Mexico because Clinton could then a win a number of named states in the article, but if she the lost NM, CO and MI, she wouldn’t get get to 270. This is I think, a pretty surprising post from the National View which hasn’t exactly been overly friendly to Trump and it’s written by a Weekly Standard contributor, and again the Weekly standard hasn’t exactly been friendly to Trump either, although I’m not sure who the author supports, if any of the candidates.

I’m a little confused by it.

nationalreview.com/article/436788/hillarys-weak-electoral-math

Is there no moral problem with tactical voting for a Catholic in this scenario, I’m curious?

With the rise of Trump, more than a few articles in the National Review come off as being a little schitzophrenic.
All the combinations and permutations involved in these kinds of number crunching are confusing.

 

[FollowChrist34]

With the rise of Trump, more than a few articles in the National Review come off as being a little schitzophrenic.
All the combinations and permutations involved in these kinds of number crunching are confusing.

Right - I think NR is realizing their fate is somewhat perilous if Trump wins. By that I mean their reputation with conservatives. To think of the stature that magazine used to have. The current editors have really done a number on it - I think it’s beyond repair.

I will say that I believe they let some pro Trump stuff get through. They keep it open, so different views can be expressed. Hedging their bets. But the editors remain strongly NeverTrump. They might still pivot if Trump would throw conservatives a bone or two. The Johnson thing sounds like it was devised in a padded cell.

I see that Trump did get a bit of a bounce in the polls after Orlando. I saw one where he was back up to 2 points behind Clinton (Gravis), but we would probably need a few more polls with similar results before we could be sure.

 

[philipl]

Thread on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

Please post on this thread instead of creating new threads on his campaign which are overwhelming the forum.

Up til a week ago. I believed that Trump would get the nomination. Now there is a movement to change the rules to allow another nominee. If that is the case. I wont vote and I hope the GOP loses the house and senate. I hope the DNC wins a super majority in both houses

 

[Crossbones]

National Review have an article where they detail a tactic in which Gary Johnson can be used to keep Hillary Clinton from getting the electoral numbers she needs to win, which would require in select states, Trump asking his supporters to vote for Gary Johnson, in Michigan, Connecticut and New Mexico because Clinton could then a win a number of named states in the article, but if she the lost NM, CO and MI, she wouldn’t get get to 270. This is I think, a pretty surprising post from the National View which hasn’t exactly been overly friendly to Trump and it’s written by a Weekly Standard contributor, and again the Weekly standard hasn’t exactly been friendly to Trump either, although I’m not sure who the author supports, if any of the candidates.

I’m a little confused by it.

nationalreview.com/article/436788/hillarys-weak-electoral-math

You’re confused by it because it doesn’t make sense. Johnson cannot stop Clinton in Michigan because not all of Trump’s supporters would vote for him even if Trump stopped by their house and asked. Trump has a better chance of winning CT than Johnson. New Mexico would depend on Johnson’s popularity there, but he received less than 4% of the vote in the last election, so I don’t think he has that much of a home state advantage.

Is there no moral problem with tactical voting for a Catholic in this scenario, I’m curious?

When determining how to vote, I would encourage Catholics to read Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship and review the various comments of the bishops instead of depending on anyone’s personal interpretation of Church teaching.

 

[mary_bobo]

Up til a week ago. I believed that Trump would get the nomination. Now there is a movement to change the rules to allow another nominee. If that is the case. I wont vote and I hope the GOP loses the house and senate. I hope the DNC wins a super majority in both houses

Come out of your snit and consider what would happen to the country if this comes to pass.
I am no Trump admirer, but he won the nomination fair and square and the GOP “elites” need to get over it and support him. They brought this on themselves.

 

[sallybutler]

Come out of your snit and consider what would happen to the country if this comes to pass.
I am no Trump admirer, but he won the nomination fair and square and the GOP “elites” need to get over it and support him. They brought this on themselves.

 

[philipl]

Come out of your snit and consider what would happen to the country if this comes to pass.
I am no Trump admirer, but he won the nomination fair and square and the GOP “elites” need to get over it and support him. They brought this on themselves.

If 5 to 10 elitist of the GOP are willing to over turn the votes of millions and millions then we no longer live in a republic. might as well get it over with

 

[Darryl1958]

If 5 to 10 elitist of the GOP are willing to over turn the votes of millions and millions then we no longer live in a republic. might as well get it over with

There is nobody that can overturn the votes of millions of voters. That does not mean that any Republican is obligated to get behind someone that they find so repulsive either.

Anyone who wants a rubber stamp support of a candidate right or wrong really ought to remain with the groupthink of the Democratic party.

 

[BellsMom]

But why does the GOP/RNC need to support him?

His entire primary campaign was that the GOP are all greedy liars and traitors. It seems a bit disingenuous to whine now that they aren’t supporting him. He basically told them all to f-off.

And if these senators and congressmen truly believe that he is unfit for the Presidency, and not a Republican at all but a opportunist and a charlatan who doesn’t have any clear policy plans other then “trust me it’ll be terrific” - why should they support him?

Just two days ago he declared he would go it alone it would be “great”. So whats changed that he’s saying it would be nice if he got a little help?

I’m sure Trump isn’t really worried about old Hillary anyway. Remember what he said about Fiorina? “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?”

 

[Darryl1958]

But why does the GOP/RNC need to support him?

His entire primary campaign was that the GOP are all greedy liars and traitors. It seems a bit disingenuous to whine now that they aren’t supporting him. He basically told them all to f-off.

And if these senators and congressmen truly believe that he is unfit for the Presidency, and not a Republican at all but a opportunist and a charlatan who doesn’t have any clear policy plans other then “trust me it’ll be terrific” - why should they support him?

Just two days ago he declared he would go it alone it would be “great”. So whats changed that he’s saying it would be nice if he got a little help?

I’m sure Trump isn’t really worried about old Hillary anyway. Remember what he said about Fiorina? “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?”

Linking Ted Cruz’s father to the assassination of Kennedy was a bit over the top wasn’t, especially when Trump had it all but wrapped up at that time.

Nevertheless, with Obama;s first two terms leading up to a regime whose founding doctrine is “Death to America!” getting nuclear weapons, there is ample reason why American Republicans ought to do everything possible to keep Obama’s third term being realized in the likeness of HRC.
It has nothing to do with her physical appearance either. It is her record as a leading member of Team Obama.

 

[Thorolfr]

Up til a week ago. I believed that Trump would get the nomination. Now there is a movement to change the rules to allow another nominee. If that is the case. I wont vote and I hope the GOP loses the house and senate. I hope the DNC wins a super majority in both houses

Pressure for one last attempt to dump Donald Trump built among Republicans on Sunday, as the party’s leader appeared to encourage a possible revolt that could still see an alternative nominee chosen at next month’s national convention.

After a week in which the presumptive nominee appalled many colleagues with his reaction to a shooting massacre in Orlando, House speaker Paul Ryan made clear he would not try to obstruct any rebellion against Trump by delegates in Cleveland.

“They write the rules, they make the decisions,” he told NBC’s Meet the Press. “All I want to make sure is to make sure it is done above board, clearly, honestly and by the rules.”

As the highest-ranking Republican in Congress, Ryan will serve as chairman of the party’s convention in late July, when delegates won through primaries formally elect a nominee.

He added: “I see my role, now that he’s got the plurality [of delegates], he actually won, is pretty much a ceremonial position. But the last thing I am going to do is weigh in and tell delegates what to do.”

theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/19/paul-ryan-donald-trump-republican-convention

 

[philipl]

There is nobody that can overturn the votes of millions of voters. That does not mean that any Republican is obligated to get behind someone that they find so repulsive either.

Anyone who wants a rubber stamp support of a candidate right or wrong really ought to remain with the groupthink of the Democratic party.

Let me see if I understand your post. More people voted for Trump in the primaries that any other candidate. Trump received enough votes to secure the nomination. Now the RNC is going to changed the convention rules to allow those delegates to nominated someone other than Trump and there is nobody overturn votes? Why doesnt the RNC just pick the person it wants to run in the general and only have that person in the primaries?

 

[philipl]

But why does the GOP/RNC need to support him?

His entire primary campaign was that the GOP are all greedy liars and traitors. It seems a bit disingenuous to whine now that they aren’t supporting him. He basically told them all to f-off.

And if these senators and congressmen truly believe that he is unfit for the Presidency, and not a Republican at all but a opportunist and a charlatan who doesn’t have any clear policy plans other then “trust me it’ll be terrific” - why should they support him?

Just two days ago he declared he would go it alone it would be “great”. So whats changed that he’s saying it would be nice if he got a little help?

I’m sure Trump isn’t really worried about old Hillary anyway. Remember what he said about Fiorina? “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?”

So what youre saying is the votes only count if the RNC elitist like the person the voters pick?

 

[Peter_J]

Up til a week ago. I believed that Trump would get the nomination. Now there is a movement to change the rules to allow another nominee. If that is the case. I wont vote and I hope the GOP loses the house and senate. I hope the DNC wins a super majority in both houses

I don’t want to get into your reasons for wishing such a thing on the Republican Party (or on the USA) but you may get your wish, regardless of what the GOP does. I believe the primary season has damaged it more than many are willing to acknowledge.

 

[Peter_J]

There is nobody that can overturn the votes of millions of voters.

That’s true, certainly. However it may well be that voting for anyone who isn’t named Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will be a waste of a vote.

 

[Peter_J]

His entire primary campaign was that the GOP are all greedy liars and traitors.

But, from the pov of the 13.5 millions Americans who voted for him in the primary, Trump was only attacking the bad Republicans.

Which is not, necessarily, to say that he can get enough votes to win the WH. That remains to be seen, notwithstanding that some are already saying that he can.

 

[GaryTaylor]

That remains to be seen, notwithstanding that some are already saying that he can.

Pray tell, what do you say?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Trump Removes Corey Lewandowski as Campaign Manager

bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-06-20/trump-removes-corey-lewandowski-as-campaign-manager