Donald Trump selects Indiana Governor Mike Pence as VP

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Being political would be putting politics before your values. Not values above politics. When someone says they believe abortion is wrong yet won’t support a pro-life position that is being political.
No. I think it’s more along the lines that VP Biden just realizes he lives in a country of which he is a public officeholder and that it is a country of plural beliefs and in fact a country in which most do not share his Catholic faith. He is the VPOTUS. Not 2nd in command in the Vatican.
 
So in addition to Pence there was a deeply unpopular governor, a retired politician from the 90s, and a registered Democrat with no previous political experience. Yeah, good candidates were just lining up for that job.
You are downplaying the positives of each, although Flynn is not a good choice overall because of his position on abortion. Gov Pence is a strong choice. Newt Gingrich achieved a lot as speaker of the House, including bipartisan work, and is one of the complaints with Congress that they lack a lot of bipartisanship, is it not? Flynn has obviously a lot of foreign policy experience, but not a good choice overall because of his position on abortion. Christie is a twice elected Republican governor in a heavy Democratic state.
 
You are downplaying the positives of each, although Flynn is not a good choice overall because of his position on abortion. Gov Pence is a strong choice. Newt Gingrich achieved a lot as speaker of the House, including bipartisan work, and is one of the complaints with Congress that they lack a lot of bipartisanship, is it not? Flynn has obviously a lot of foreign policy experience, but not a good choice overall because of his position on abortion. Christie is a twice elected Republican governor in a heavy Democratic state.
None of them are great choices, although Pence is probably the best of the bunch. In an ordinary year none of them would be on the short list. The heavyweights are sitting this one out because they either can’t stand Trump, don’t think he can win, or both.
 
On one hand, Pence is the governor of my former home state, but on the other hand, I haven’t lived there since I left for USAF Basic Training in 1968. I was kinda rooting for Newt Gingrich, but after listening to his very strong statement last night after the Nice attack, I’m beginning to think that he would make a super SecState.
 
On one hand, Pence is the governor of my former home state, but on the other hand, I haven’t lived there since I left for USAF Basic Training in 1968. I was kinda rooting for Newt Gingrich, but after listening to his very strong statement last night after the Nice attack, I’m beginning to think that he would make a super SecState.
I thought Gingrich also, but apparently the feeling was consolidating the right base. In essence Trump moved further right which I see Hillary doing also in an attempt to broaden her base. Be interesting to see who she picks to further address the right issue she has with voters.

To me Gingrich and Christie are both better debaters but Pence is decent also.
 
No. I think it’s more along the lines that VP Biden just realizes he lives in a country of which he is a public officeholder and that it is a country of plural beliefs and in fact a country in which most do not share his Catholic faith. He is the VPOTUS. Not 2nd in command in the Vatican.
Exactly! Politics, Political

I mean here you are trying to tell us we are being political if we vote for Pence because he left the Church, yet Biden isn’t even though he puts politics ahead of his faith. 🤷
 
Mike Pence isn’t a perfect candidate, but no candidate is ever likely to be for political office. I think he adds the balance that Donald Trump needs. As I may have heard similarly on Fox News, this choice may reassure people who are concerned about Trump’s, at times, bombastic style.
Still not seeing how he adds any kind of balance to the Trump ticket. Trump is already a pretty far right of center candidate and now they’ve added an even farther right candidate who doesn’t even have decent approval in his own state. This would seem to be the opposite of balancing out. :confused:
 
Still not seeing how he adds any kind of balance to the Trump ticket. Trump is already a pretty far right of center candidate and now they’ve added an even farther right candidate who doesn’t even have decent approval in his own state. This would seem to be the opposite of balancing out. :confused:
Trump has not proven himself to be far right on life or marriage. Two very important things to some of us he needs voting for him.
 
Still not seeing how he adds any kind of balance to the Trump ticket. Trump is already a pretty far right of center candidate and now they’ve added an even farther right candidate who doesn’t even have decent approval in his own state. This would seem to be the opposite of balancing out. :confused:
The reason why a lot of Republican commentators don’t like Trump is because they don’t consider him conservative enough. Especially on their concept of one global community (aka ‘new world order’ as GHWB would say) with the US as leader of it.

** Donald Trump On the Issues **

ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

** Mike Pence On the Issues **

ontheissues.org/IN/Mike_Pence.htm

** Hillary Clinton On the Issues **

ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm
 
Democrats plan to attack Pence as a social conservative zealot, out of step with women and LGBT persons. And to draw attention to a law Pence signed last year that drew immediate backlash from everyone from the NCAA to Apple, with some companies canceling planned conferences in the state, impacting the state’s tourism and convention business. Democrats will say Pence prioritized his right-wing social agenda over the health of the state’s economy.

Democrats can argue Pence was also a vocal advocate of shutting down the government if Republicans didn’t get their way.

Next up on Democrat’s hit list are economic issues. They’ll argue that he, like Trump, would cut wages and is not out for working people. They’ll highlight that median household wages in Indiana fell from $53,000 to $46,900 while he was governor.

Opponents will also highlight a number of controversial statements Pence has made. Those include an op-ed he wrote railing against government overreach in anti-smoking legislation, saying “smoking doesn’t kill.”

And Pence’s non-answer to a 2009 question from MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on whether he believes in evolution. “I can’t say,” he replied.

nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/how-democrats-will-attack-trump-s-vp-pick-mike-pence-n609496
 
Democrats plan to attack Pence as a social conservative zealot, out of step with women and LGBT persons. And to draw attention to a law Pence signed last year that drew immediate backlash from everyone from the NCAA to Apple, with some companies canceling planned conferences in the state, impacting the state’s tourism and convention business. Democrats will say Pence prioritized his right-wing social agenda over the health of the state’s economy.

Democrats can argue Pence was also a vocal advocate of shutting down the government if Republicans didn’t get their way.

Next up on Democrat’s hit list are economic issues. They’ll argue that he, like Trump, would cut wages and is not out for working people. They’ll highlight that median household wages in Indiana fell from $53,000 to $46,900 while he was governor.

Opponents will also highlight a number of controversial statements Pence has made. Those include an op-ed he wrote railing against government overreach in anti-smoking legislation, saying “smoking doesn’t kill.”

And Pence’s non-answer to a 2009 question from MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on whether he believes in evolution. “I can’t say,” he replied.

nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/how-democrats-will-attack-trump-s-vp-pick-mike-pence-n609496
I think that sums it up very well. This pick makes absolutely no sense to me…unless Trump wants to lose the election.

John
 
The current batch of Democrats want a leftist, secularist, socialist, globalist government in line with the EU. That is what Obama and now Clinton are advocating. Unfortunately for them, the EU is starting to spiral into chaos.

So trying to appease what the Democrats would possibly attack in this election is an invitation to a loss.

I don’t know Pence, he seems more reasonable than Trump as far as his personality, but that doesn’t mean he is great or a disaster. We shall see.

And before people continue to lob bombs at Trump because of his personality, read the biography of LBJ and Jackson.
 
The reason why a lot of Republican commentators don’t like Trump is because they don’t consider him conservative enough. Especially on their concept of one global community (aka ‘new world order’ as GHWB would say) with the US as leader of it.

** Donald Trump On the Issues **
http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s030_070.gif
ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm

** Mike Pence On the Issues **
http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s020_090.gif
ontheissues.org/IN/Mike_Pence.htm

** Hillary Clinton On the Issues **
http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s080_010.gif
ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm
Your diagrams indicate exactly why this pick makes no sense to me. Trump is on the right (he’s not even really right of center. His VP pick Pence is even farther right. They’re both right. Most voters in the United States are in that nice square in the middle. Neither candidate is anywhere near that square. And Pence does nothing to get Trump closer to the square.
 
Exactly! Politics, Political

I mean here you are trying to tell us we are being political if we vote for Pence because he left the Church, yet Biden isn’t even though he puts politics ahead of his faith. 🤷
If that’s what you took for my post, then I will simply just leave it that I’m not sure you understand the job description of VPOTUS. It is not the same as for a Catholic bishop. Biden I think gets it. In the dedication and devoutness of how he lives his faith in his personal life while realizing he is not just VP of Catholics.
 
Your diagrams indicate exactly why this pick makes no sense to me. Trump is on the right (he’s not even really right of center. His VP pick Pence is even farther right. They’re both right. Most voters in the United States are in that nice square in the middle. Neither candidate is anywhere near that square. And Pence does nothing to get Trump closer to the square.
Trump is a whole lot closer to the square than Hilary. Do you think she will pick someone who’s in the square? I highly doubt it. I figure her pick will also be farther from the square than Trump.
 
Your diagrams indicate exactly why this pick makes no sense to me. Trump is on the right (he’s not even really right of center. His VP pick Pence is even farther right. They’re both right. Most voters in the United States are in that nice square in the middle. Neither candidate is anywhere near that square. And Pence does nothing to get Trump closer to the square.
I don’t think that many are in the middle

You can take a short quiz and see where you would place in this quadrangle here:
ontheissues.org/Quiz/Quiz2016.asp?quiz=Pres2016
 
Always a good sign when people with horrendous views on issues to begin with think you’ve made a bad choice on a candidate or issue. Makes me like the Pence pick even more.
 
We are going to have to do our part to Protect Pence with the social issues.
 
If that’s what you took for my post, then I will simply just leave it that I’m not sure you understand the job description of VPOTUS. It is not the same as for a Catholic bishop. Biden I think gets it. In the dedication and devoutness of how he lives his faith in his personal life while realizing he is not just VP of Catholics.
I get the job, I don’t think you understand the meaning of political. Holding a political office does not mean you should close your eyes to evil.
 
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