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I agree with you about making things out of flags. I did not think Ivanka’s speech was in any way hilarious.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Its disappointing and disturbing that he went on that stage and was allowed to say what he did (presuming his remarks were pre known). But for the most part, the platform is strong on marriage, life, conscience rights for healthcare professionals and the issue surrounding bathrooms in relation to schools.
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No President cares about the platform. And as Joe Scarborough, a staunch conservative, said this morning, Trump doesn’t care about social issues. Get over it.
 
Al_Moritz said:
Conservative leaning Tax Foundation arrives at similar numbers, even on a dynamic analysis:

taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan

From the Conclusion:

*The plan would also be a large tax cut, which would increase the federal government’s deficit by over $10 trillion ), both on a static and dynamic basis.

*) over a decade
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The behavioral effects at current tax rates are likely to be very small. It also has to be remembered that neither party has any appetite for cutting spending, so cutting taxes without a corresponding spending cut just pushes the problem off to our grandchildren. It is not terribly virtuous to cut taxes for the current generation and passing the bill onto the future generation.
 
Al_Moritz said:
No President cares about the platform. And as Joe Scarborough, a staunch conservative, said this morning, Trump doesn’t care about social issues. Get over it.
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With all due respect to Joe Scarborough, how would he know?
 
_Abyssinia said:
With all due respect to Joe Scarborough, how would he know?
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He might honor his pledge to nominate conservative justices to the Supreme Court. But, for Trump, this would be a political necessity, not a conviction. Trump is a New Yorker and a Manhattanite. He is a businessman and a pragmatist. He is as much a Republican with regard to social issues as Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg. In other words, a RINO, and perhaps not even that.
 
Al_Moritz said:
No President cares about the platform. And as Joe Scarborough, a staunch conservative, said this morning, Trump doesn’t care about social issues. Get over it.
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meltzerboy said:
He might honor his pledge to nominate conservative justices to the Supreme Court. But, for Trump, this would be a political necessity, not a conviction. Trump is a New Yorker and a Manhattanite. He is a businessman and a pragmatist. He is as much a Republican with regard to social issues as Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg. In other words, a RINO, and perhaps not even that.
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I deleted my post. Regarding the Supreme Court, whether it’s out of either of the things you said, if it gets done it gets done. Who is on the Supreme Court will likely have impact far beyond a four or eight year term of any president. Obviously it would be better to have somebody do it out of conviction, but it’s really in part speculation to know whether it is out of conviction or not, because you don’t know what’s in his head and heart. He is not a cultural warrior like a Ted Cruz for example, but I don’t think that means he isn’t for abortion restrictions or that he wouldn’t defund Planned Parenthood if the bill came to his desk.
 
anon67074017 said:
Being anti-gay means that you do not support an evil agenda.
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I would suggest being a bit more specific in your language. As Catholics, we should not be “anti-gay” when talking about people. All are God’s children.

You might be “anti-gay marriage”, or “anti-adoption rights for same sex unions”…which is issue based, but saying you are “anti-gay” has connotations not in line with Catholic teaching.

Peace.
 
shockerfan said:
I would suggest being a bit more specific in your language. As Catholics, we should not be “anti-gay” when talking about people. All are God’s children.

You might be “anti-gay marriage”, or “anti-adoption rights for same sex unions”…which is issue based, but saying you are “anti-gay” has connotations not in line with Catholic teaching.

Peace.
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All three of those sound pretty “anti gay” to me 🤷
 
Strydersroom said:
All three of those sound pretty “anti gay” to me 🤷
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I disagree with my son’s desire to sleep with his girlfriend…does that make me “anti-son”?

In fact, I disagree with virtually all of my family members on at least one or more subjects…does that make me “anti-family”

Sorry, I reject the idea that disagreeing on an issue means that some how I “don’t like” or “hate” an individual.
 
If someone is anti gay marriage and anti gay adoption and they vote to pass laws that would make both banned or illegal, do you think that makes them “anti-gay”? That is the context I was speaking from. From that perspective it would appear so in my opinion.
 
Strydersroom said:
If someone is anti gay marriage and anti gay adoption and they vote to pass laws that would make both banned or illegal, do you think that makes them “anti-gay”? That is the context I was speaking from. From that perspective it would appear so in my opinion.
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Hmm, a bit of a semantics argument. But I certainly agree that it is not accurate to suggest that this is the same as disagreeing on a discreet issue. It is broader than that. Maybe “anti-gay rights” or “against gay equality” captures it better (or more politely) than “anti-gay”? I do know some people that appear to have no personal animus against gay folks, but who nonetheless are against acknowledging that gay people have equal rights. It’s contradictory to me, but they seem sincere in both positions.
 
Strydersroom said:
If someone is anti gay marriage and anti gay adoption and they vote to pass laws that would make both banned or illegal, do you think that makes them “anti-gay”? That is the context I was speaking from. From that perspective it would appear so in my opinion.
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From the religious perspective, it is not so. One may be opposed to certain gay behaviors but not to gay people themselves. From a practical standpoint, however, some people who are in favor of such laws may also be opposed to gay people themselves but that stance is not in accord with religious teaching.
 
Al_Moritz said:
No President cares about the platform. And as Joe Scarborough, a staunch conservative, said this morning, Trump doesn’t care about social issues. Get over it.
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Clinton is quite concerned about abortion on demand and also quite concerned about Trump position of opposition, apparently she is more concerned than Catholic democrats.
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton plunged into general-election combat on Friday, and immediately showed voters the starkly different choices they represent in their views of abortion, women’s issues and the Supreme Court’s future.
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Speaking in Washington, D.C., to core political constituencies at almost the same time, Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton tried to energize their supporters with a fearsome vision of what would happen if their opponent wins the presidential election in the fall.
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The Republican Mr. Trump, speaking to a conference of evangelical conservatives, warned that Mrs. Clinton would “appoint radical judges” to the Supreme Court—the top concern for many of the antiabortion activists in the audience.
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“She will push for federal funding for abortion on demand,” he said at a conference organized by the Faith and Freedom Coalition, an influential group of religious conservatives.
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Mrs. Clinton, delivering her first campaign speech since wrapping up the Democratic contest this week, warned that abortion rights and other women’s priorities would be imperiled under a Trump presidency.
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wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-duel-over-high-court-and-abortion-1465598759
 
meltzerboy said:
From the religious perspective, it is not so. One may be opposed to certain gay behaviors but not to gay people themselves. From a practical standpoint, however, some people who are in favor of such laws may also be opposed to gay people themselves but that stance is not in accord with religious teaching.
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Well, most people I know that are against gay rights do have a certain level of animus against gay people generally. As I acknowledged earlier, that is not always true. But I do believe it is true more often than not.
 
TMC said:
Well, most people I know that are against gay rights do have a certain level of animus against gay people generally. As I acknowledged earlier, that is not always true. But I do believe it is true more often than not.
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Unfortunately, that may be the case. To his credit, I don’t think Donald Trump is one of those people.
 
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