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Find a job that doesn’t require you provide birth control. There are lots of fields that have nothing to do with birth control.

To mangle a phrase from the 60’s – God never promised you a rose garden.
And he never promised anyone birth control.

So why should someone’s desire for birth control TRUMP another person’s desire to work in an occupation they are immanently qualified for, have invested years of education to attain, and find completely fulfilling?

One person’s somewhat frivolous whim should not put an end to another person’s vocation.

Your trivializing the lives and well-being of others isn’t very becoming AND seems to disregard your own mother’s advice.
 
I’ll gladly accept a one million dollar donation. I’m not greedy 🙂

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And he never promised anyone birth control.

So why should someone’s desire for birth control TRUMP another person’s desire to work in an occupation they are immanently qualified for, have invested years of education to attain, and find completely fulfilling?

One person’s somewhat frivolous whim should not put an end to another person’s vocation.

Your trivializing the lives and well-being of others isn’t very becoming AND seems to disregard your own mother’s advice.
No I am not trivializing what my mother taught me. She taught me that I should do what was right, regardless of what the government said or my boss said, and that I must be willing to accept the consequences. If that meant a I didn’t h area job, I should offer it up for the souls in heaven and look for another job.

Whenever I hear people complaining that they are not being granted their Christian rights by the government, I can’t help thinking of the martyrs of Rome. What would they think of us complaining and whining because of a cake and fines? They faced lions with no alternatives. In America, people can find another job, even if it is working at McDonald’s.

We Christians in the U.S. have nothing to complain about.
 
No I am not trivializing what my mother taught me. She taught me that I should do what was right, regardless of what the government said or my boss said, and that I must be willing to accept the consequences. If that meant a I didn’t h area job, I should offer it up for the souls in heaven and look for another job.

Whenever I hear people complaining that they are not being granted their Christian rights by the government, I can’t help thinking of the martyrs of Rome. What would they think of us complaining and whining because of a cake and fines? They faced lions with no alternatives. In America, people can find another job, even if it is working at McDonald’s.

We Christians in the U.S. have nothing to complain about.
To be entirely consistent, then, neither do those “demanding” pharmacies sell birth control to them have anything to complain about when some pharmacies choose not to.

They shouldn’t be expecting some to give up their livelihoods merely because they want to buy artificial birth control.

People can far more easily find another pharmacy than they can find another job after spending years and tens of thousands on their education.

Good for the goose and all that…

Perhaps McDonald’s should sell birth control devices and drugs, since right to access seems to be your schtick?
 
To be entirely consistent, then, neither do those “demanding” pharmacies sell birth control to them have anything to complain about when some pharmacies choose not to.

Good for the goose and all that…
As long as they don’t have agreements/arrangements with any insurance companies or hospitals or Medicare about what they charge, I agree with you.
 
Trump’s assets are mostly unique pieces of real estate, which are very hard to value unless and until they are put on the market. What difference does it make in terms of his political candidacy? Especially in contrast to Bill and Hillary Clinton, whose assets of some 100-200 millions of dollars consist almost entirely of recent gifts from corporations hoping to gain government favoritism.
 
Overvalue to show you’re a sharp businessman.

Undervalue if you’re going through a divorce.
 
No I am not trivializing what my mother taught me. She taught me that I should do what was right, regardless of what the government said or my boss said, and that I must be willing to accept the consequences. If that meant a I didn’t h area job, I should offer it up for the souls in heaven and look for another job.

Whenever I hear people complaining that they are not being granted their Christian rights by the government, I can’t help thinking of the martyrs of Rome. What would they think of us complaining and whining because of a cake and fines? They faced lions with no alternatives. In America, people can find another job, even if it is working at McDonald’s.

We Christians in the U.S. have nothing to complain about.
I feel like from your post your siggesting that we should lay dowm our government protected rights that we do have. To bring this subject back to the modern day USA and the subject of this thread (religious dress). It IS my government protected right to wear my St Benedict crucifix (even at work, my employer can not legally ask me to remove it) , it is also my Jewish bosses right to wear her Star of David, it is a Sikh mans governmemt protected right to wear his turban, it is a muslim womans government protected right to wear her hijab. Argue all you want about ancient Rome. But today in modern day USA, we do have government protected religious rights…why should we just shrug our shoulders at the threat of these rights being threatened
 
I feel like from your post your siggesting that we should lay dowm our government protected rights that we do have. To bring this subject back to the modern day USA and the subject of this thread (religious dress). It IS my government protected right to wear my St Benedict crucifix (even at work, my employer can not legally ask me to remove it) , it is also my Jewish bosses right to wear her Star of David, it is a Sikh mans governmemt protected right to wear his turban, it is a muslim womans government protected right to wear her hijab. Argue all you want about ancient Rome. But today in modern day USA, we do have government protected religious rights…why should we just shrug our shoulders at the threat of these rights being threatened
All you say is true. My point is only that an employer should not have to make special accommodations regarding clothing. Should Playboy be required to have a centerfold wearing a Burka? If a manufacturer says no jewelry (safety issue), should you be allowed to wear your St. Benedict Crucifix?

I know that this is politically incorrect on both sides of the aisle. But when you agree to work for someone, you agree to their rules and their morals. If you don’t like that, join/start a union where the employees have more control or find another job.
 
Now Trump seems to be engaging in anti-antisemitism:
Donald Trump deleted an image of Hillary Clinton and a six-pointed star from social media, following accusations of antisemitism on Saturday given the star’s placement over an image of money and his repetition of the controversial phrase “America first”.
The original graphic, which depicted the Democratic presumptive nominee over a pile of money, contained the text “most corrupt candidate ever” in a six-sided star, reminiscent of the Jewish star of David.
theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/02/donald-trump-star-of-david-tweet-hillary-clinton
 
Or paying taxes…
“He doesn’t pay taxes. He doesn’t have much income. He’s receiving income from unsavory sources. He has ownership in enterprises that are perhaps associated with unsavory enterprises or nations or groups,” stated Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican nominee, during an interview on CNN

“He will follow one excuse after the other to say why he can’t,” Romney added. “And he’ll never release them because there’s something in there that he feels is worse for him than shooting someone on Fifth Avenue.” A reference to Mr Trump saying he could shoot somene and not lose support.

breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/10/mitt-romney-something-worse-shooting-someone-trumps-taxes/
 
I know that this is politically incorrect on both sides of the aisle. But when you agree to work for someone, you agree to their rules and their morals. If you don’t like that, join/start a union where the employees have more control or find another job.
Not only is this politically incorrect. It is also factually, legally, morally and practically incorrect. It defies reason and common sense, and would be against the constitutions and bills of rights of pretty much every modern democracy.

You might want to think through what your claim entails before doubling down on it.
 
Not only is this politically incorrect. It is also factually, legally, morally and practically incorrect. It defies reason and common sense, and would be against the constitutions and bills of rights of pretty much every modern democracy.

You might want to think through what your claim entails before doubling down on it.
I take it you are not an employer but are an emmployee.
 
All you say is true. My point is only that an employer should not have to make special accommodations regarding clothing. Should Playboy be required to have a centerfold wearing a Burka? If a manufacturer says no jewelry (safety issue), should you be allowed to wear your St. Benedict Crucifix?

I know that this is politically incorrect on both sides of the aisle. But when you agree to work for someone, you agree to their rules and their morals. If you don’t like that, join/start a union where the employees have more control or find another job.
Here is where your view does not match with federal law and employees rights.
I would like to direct you to the EEOC and specifically “Religious Garb and Grooming in the Workplace: Rights and Responsibilities”
eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/qa_religious_garb_grooming.cfm

“Examples of religious dress and grooming practices include wearing religious clothing or articles (e.g., a Muslim hijab (headscarf), a Sikh turban, or a Christian cross);…In most instances, employers are required by federal law to make exceptions to their usual rules or preferences to permit applicants and employees to observe religious dress and grooming practices.”

Regarding my wearing my St Benedict crucifix in a manufacturing job.
First they have to prove that my crucifix and necklace does indeed pose a safety hazard.

From the EEOC link
"Clothing Requirements Near Machinery

Mirna alleges she was terminated from her job in a factory because of her religion (Pentecostal) after she told her supervisor that her faith prohibits her from wearing pants as required by the company’s new dress code. Mirna requested as an accommodation to be permitted to continue wearing a long but close-fitting skirt. Her manager replies that the dress code is essential to safe and efficient operations on the factory floor, but there is no evidence regarding operation of the machinery at issue to show that close-fitting clothing like that worn by Mirna poses a safety risk. Because the evidence does not establish that wearing pants is truly necessary for safety, the accommodation requested by Mirna does not pose an undue hardship."

"May an employer bar an employee’s religious dress or grooming practice based on workplace safety, security, or health concerns?

Yes, but only if the practice actually poses an undue hardship on the operation of the business. The employer should not assume that the accommodation would pose an undue hardship. While safety, security, or health may justify denying accommodation in a given situation, the employer may do so only if the accommodation would actually pose an undue hardship. In many instances, there may be an available accommodation that will permit the employee to adhere to religious practices and will permit the employer to avoid undue hardship."

Regarding my St Benedict crucifix, what would an accommodation for my crucifix possibly look like? I may not be able to work around specific machines that pose a risk of me being strangled. But, there may be other areas within the company down the processing line where that risk would be mitigated. This would be an example of an accommodation made by a company to accommodate my religious beliefs.
 
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