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The House and Senate have more women and minorities on the Democratic side than Republican, but in the states, while there are more Republicans than Democratic governors, aren’t their more minority Republican Governors and also female Governors than among the Democrats?! Also look at the past presidential race, this Washington Post article says, “The 2016 Republican field might be the most diverse ever — for either party”
Democratic leaning voters don’t vote as often in midterms when some of those Republicans have been elected on the state level. That’s why Obama was elected in 2008 and then reelected in 2012 even though Republicans won the midterm inbetween and then the midterm again after that. It’s just the way it is unfortunately. A lot of people only vote in Presidential yr general elections.
 
Here’s a good commentary on the recent Trump retweet that featured Hillary and a star.

usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/04/trump-star-david-racist-nazi-political-correctness-column/86669150/

I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he retweeted not connecting that the tweet was antisemitic.

But to defend it is silly. To call it a sheriff star is silly.

He should have said, “I didn’t mean to offend, I see your point, sorry.”
The question I have is at the time of the statement that Donald Trump made, where he said the image wasn’t anti Semitic, did he know or not know the fact that the image is connected to a neo nazi message board?

Here’s a statement by Trump’s social media director. He said he took the image from an “anti-Hilary Twitter user” (it seems possible the Twitter user Scavino took the image from may have not known the source of the image was neo nazi / anti Semitic, although the original image did have a watermark of a username to a racist Twitter user - that username was covered up by a Fox News poll - did Scavino take the image from that particular Twitter user or from somebody else and covered the watermarked username up not knowing the user whose username was on the image was a racist?), and Dan Scavino appears as I understand his statement, to connect the star image to a Sherriffs star, and the corruption they believe Hillary Clinton is in. He may think that, but presumably he knew the origin of the image at the time of posting this statement because of all the attention on it… He didn’t acknowledge the neo nazi original source but Dan Scavino did say, “I would never offend anyone and chose to remove the image.” - m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157259885220725&id=153080620724&tn=%2As
 
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I am willing to believe that it was done in error and in ignorance.

But digging their heels and saying in effect, “no see its a sheriff star” is the silly and wrong part. There should be an apology.

Trump likes to tweet, and he seems to have had this type of problem before. A more benign tweet was the comparison of Melania’s model picture to a picture of Mrs. Cruz caught in a funny expression.

Another less benign tweet was retweeting false crime statistics that were tweeted to him. The origin was a white supremacist website.
 
Democratic leaning voters don’t vote as often in midterms when some of those Republicans have been elected on the state level. That’s why Obama was elected in 2008 and then reelected in 2012 even though Republicans won the midterm inbetween and then the midterm again after that. It’s just the way it is unfortunately. A lot of people only vote in Presidential yr general elections.
True but stats are still down in comparison and issues pretty much the same.
** In 2008 there were 38,111,341 Democrat votes in the primary. In 2016 there were 29,939,251 votes. A net decrease of 8,172,090 (-21%).
Thats beside the democrat effort by email and also at law to correct this issue. Its an ongoing concern and rightfully so. Yet the midterms have also been an issue.

politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/25/cokie-roberts/have-democrats-lost-900-seats-state-legislatures-o/
Have Democrats lost 900 seats in state legislatures since Obama has been president?
huffingtonpost.com/entry/voter-id-laws-democratic-turnout_us_56d8c5bae4b0000de403f238
As voting rights advocates predicted loud and often, new voter ID laws seem to be hitting Democrats harder than Republicans.
GOP voter turnout in this year’s presidential race is up 62 percent relative to 2008, the last time both parties had open contests. But Democratic voter turnout is down by 29 percent across all the primary and caucus states that have voted so far. In all but two states, fewer Democrats turned out to vote in 2016 than did in 2008.
What have they been doing with law and voters?

politistick.com/nancy-pelosi-proposes-a-radical-change-to-our-voting-laws/
Nancy Pelosi is proposing that the legal voting age be lowered to 16 or 17 years old.
Generation Progress is a project of the radical, far-left Marxist group Center for American Progress, which is funded by George Soros. They describe themselves as “Working with and for young people for progressive change.”
During a speech to the group, Pelosi pushed the idea of 16-year old voters, and her rationale was beyond laughable. (emphasis mine)
Ongoing voting concern for the democrats with low voter turnout and especially this election.
 
Here’s a good commentary on the recent Trump retweet that featured Hillary and a star.

usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/04/trump-star-david-racist-nazi-political-correctness-column/86669150/

I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he retweeted not connecting that the tweet was antisemitic.

But to defend it is silly. To call it a sheriff star is silly.

He should have said, “I didn’t mean to offend, I see your point, sorry.”
I agree; a simple apology would suffice. Trump rarely, if ever, apologizes. I guess he sees apologizing as a sign of weakness.
 
I just saw this - first impression: I like this idea of Ernst as VP. The visuals anyway I think are great. She calms the ticket down, gives it a real ‘middle America’ shot in the arm, not to mention quells the Trump/women issue, which I think was a nonstarter anyway. I suppose the attack would be lack of experience, but Ernst is no Palin - I think she could push back on that, especially if Warren is Clinton’s pick. Remember Clinton has to get the Sanders people on board; she cannot neglect the far left - this opens her up in the center, mainstream.
 
I agree; a simple apology would suffice. Trump rarely, if ever, apologizes. I guess he sees apologizing as a sign of weakness.
I, for one, am sick of hearing insincere apologies that politicians give.
 
Most Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary** if they vote at all**.
That is her Achilles Heel. Though to counterbalance that potential weakness, I think around 12% of GOP voters (more?) will stay home too. The swing vote, especially in swing states, will call it. (it’s not a popular vote as we often forget) Where will independents, moderates, suburbia go; how will those groups split between Trump and Clinton? (also evangelicals; I think most will in the end vote and vote for Trump.)

I don’t think Trump’s angry white working class families crowd should be underestimated. They will show up at the polls. And of course minorities will show up for Clinton, the Democratic base. But she could lose a good chunk of the younger “cool” Sanders types, also the really hardcore leftwingers who think she is a Wall Street sell out, hawk, etc.

The turnout that day will be the answer.
 
Absolutely. She’s the only abortion-on-demand candidate left for them.
I know you stubbornly believe that Democrats vote solely on the abortion issue. But as others have pointed out on numerous occasions in numerous threads, this really isn’t the case. Instead, Democrats primarily vote on the same central issues that Republicans vote on: national security, the economy, and healthcare.
 
That is her Achilles Heel. Though to counterbalance that potential weakness, I think around 12% of GOP voters (more?) will stay home too. The swing vote, especially in swing states, will call it. (it’s not a popular vote as we often forget) Where will independents, moderates, suburbia go; how will those groups split between Trump and Clinton? (also evangelicals; I think most will in the end vote and vote for Trump.)

I don’t think Trump’s angry white working class families crowd should be underestimated. They will show up at the polls. And of course minorities will show up for Clinton, the Democratic base. But she could lose a good chunk of the younger “cool” Sanders types, also the really hardcore leftwingers who think she is a Wall Street sell out, hawk, etc.

The turnout that day will be the answer.
In addition to the “angry white working class families ‘crowd’” there will be no small number of Trump voters who are none of those things. There are the prolifers of all classes. There will be small business owners. There will be people of various classes that don’t want their guns outlawed. And there will even be big business people who will be concerned that they can’t outbid even bigger business people for Hillary Clinton’s favor.

The left wingers who realize she’s a war hawk might not vote at all. But she’s all they have, so they might turn up anyway.
 
In addition to the “angry white working class families ‘crowd’” there will be no small number of Trump voters who are none of those things. There are the prolifers of all classes. There will be small business owners. There will be people of various classes that don’t want their guns outlawed. And there will even be big business people who will be concerned that they can’t outbid even bigger business people for Hillary Clinton’s favor.

The left wingers who realize she’s a war hawk might not vote at all. But she’s all they have, so they might turn up anyway.
I agree. To clarify my point on the “angry white working class families crowd” - I meant to say they are not traditional GOP voters. I was referring to them as the new voters that Trump attracted in record numbers in the primaries. (the implication being that ideally they make up some of the 12% deficit left by our NeverTrump Romney et al. buddies) Along these lines, I think Trump can also make good headway with the “people” GOP voters, even Mormons, Evangelicals, etc. It is the quite small group of intellectual pundit internet conservatives that will be left out there hanging, not voting. The establishment if you will. Some good news if you are a Trump supporter. And you are also correct in that most hardcore leftwingers will actually go out and vote for Clinton (95% of them ) - her problem will be with the young. The same types that did not vote Remain in Britain. They “care” up to a point but enough to vote for someone as blasé as Hillary - who knows; she lacks cult status. The minorities will save Hillary and the suburbs - if she wins. If not, it will be because the young didn’t vote - and the evangelicals and new Trumpers turned out for Trump. (assuming here in either scenario most of the blue red state breakdown holds as it should overall)
 
I agree. To clarify my point on the “angry white working class families crowd” - I meant to say they are not traditional GOP voters. I was referring to them as the new voters that Trump attracted in record numbers in the primaries. (the implication being that ideally they make up some of the 12% deficit left by our NeverTrump Romney et al. buddies) Along these lines, I think Trump can also make good headway with the “people” GOP voters, even Mormons, Evangelicals, etc. It is the quite small group of intellectual pundit internet conservatives that will be left out there hanging, not voting. The establishment if you will. Some good news if you are a Trump supporter. And you are also correct in that most hardcore leftwingers will actually go out and vote for Clinton (95% of them ) - her problem will be with the young. The same types that did not vote Remain in Britain. They “care” up to a point but enough to vote for someone as blasé as Hillary - who knows; she lacks cult status. The minorities will save Hillary and the suburbs - if she wins. If not, it will be because the young didn’t vote - and the evangelicals and new Trumpers turned out for Trump. (assuming here in either scenario most of the blue red state breakdown holds as it should overall)
It’s funny that we assume the blue/red state breakdown that really, for the most part, only goes back to Dubya. Seriously, as recently as 1996, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Arizona voted for Bill Clinton (and it wasn’t even very close in those states, either). None of these states have since voted for Dems, even though before 2000, they quite often did (and, except for the elections of 1972 & 1984, WV had been reliably Dem before the 2000 election). Michigan, California, Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Maine all voted for GHWBush in 1988 (in fact, this would be the last year that any of these states would vote for a GOP candidate, even though most of them had quite often (though not always) voted for GOP candidates from 1952 through 1988. Honestly, it’s almost as if the red/blue breakdown is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than anything else.
 
It’s funny that we assume the blue/red state breakdown that really, for the most part, only goes back to Dubya. Seriously, as recently as 1996, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Arizona voted for Bill Clinton (and it wasn’t even very close in those states, either). None of these states have since voted for Dems, even though before 2000, they quite often did (and, except for the elections of 1972 & 1984, WV had been reliably Dem before the 2000 election). Michigan, California, Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Maine all voted for GHWBush in 1988 (in fact, this would be the last year that any of these states would vote for a GOP candidate, even though most of them had quite often (though not always) voted for GOP candidates from 1952 through 1988. Honestly, it’s almost as if the red/blue breakdown is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than anything else.
Good point. We could be in for a total redefinition of that. And it could favor either candidate, though again I am inclined to give the edge to Trump, crazy as that sounds at this point. Simply because a third term for any party is notoriously difficult. The status quo more of the same quandary. Also, the Brexit vote mentality. How much do people follow the “establishment” - media, political correctness, social pressure, etc - anymore. We’ll find out. Do they swallow the anti-Trump temperament Project Fear bait. How many just stay home, and on which side.
 
You say that those on the right don’t care about helping people and when people give examples of the fallacy of your statement you deride them for doing it only to seek recognition !

Money taken from your paycheck by the govt is not charity in any way shape or form You have a personal responsibility to help for poor and needy and you cannot fulfill that responsibility by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for you
I never said the government takes that money. I said that I give that money.

It’s like you, you have a work, which you pay form7 people. That is your obligation bc they work for you. Unless you want to treat them like slaves and not pay them.

I give to these charities and organizations from the bottom of my heart.
 
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