Don't Blame Capitalism for your pricey Epi-pen

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LeafByNiggle said:
Huh? There is no virtue in forcing moral behavior? I suppose that means we should remove all restrictions against abortion so that mothers can “exercise virtue” in choosing not to abort their child.
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There is a difference between “if you murder you go to jail”

And

“I am going to put you prematurely in solitary so you can never murder”

I suppose it is near a moot arguement as you would in analagous form never see solitary as solitary.

In fact if I had said “jail” you’d think it still freedom bc they could murder another inmate.

Even in solitary you probably see the possibility of maybe someday breaking out and killing a guard as an ultimate freedom.

There sadly we shall always disagree.

Yet the difference in goood vs evil is in this disagreement if I leave you to make things as you see fit, you shall put me in solitary against my will and proclaim I have ultimate freedom.
 
LethalMouse said:
There is a difference between “if you murder you go to jail”

And

“I am going to put you prematurely in solitary so you can never murder”
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Government regulations are more like the former than the later. If it is good to have laws against abortion, it is good to have laws against corporate abuse of the public.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
Ah yes, somehow Christian principles do not apply in the business and economic spheres. 🤷

Sts Basil, Chrysostom, Augustine, Aquinas and a host of other Catholic thinkers would disagree.
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Would you sell your house at the market price of $500,000 or to a homeless person for $500?

I don’t think the saints expect foolish behavior from us,
perhaps selling for $500k and donating what you don’t need to good charities and multiple needy/homeless individuals.

A generator is comfort enabling but not life critical (Hospitals already have them). If there are generators for only 5% of demand, how do you decide who get one? If you sell it well below market price, many buyers will likely just resell it to their neighbor at the market price.
 
Theo520 said:
Would you sell your house at the market price of $500,000 or to a homeless person for $500?

I don’t think the saints expect foolish behavior from us,
perhaps selling for $500k and donating what you don’t need to good charities and needy/homeless individuals.
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Selling a $20 epipen for $100 is not foolish.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Selling a $20 epipen for $100 is not foolish.
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That is the market price in most of the world, there is no shortage.
It’s only in the US that a false scarcity was created by Govt regulation.

With a stroke of the pen, consumers could have access to many other suppliers and the market price would fall back in line with the rest of the world.
 
Theo520 said:
That is the market price in most of the world, there is no shortage.
It’s only in the US that a false scarcity was created by Govt regulation.

With a stroke of the pen, consumers could have access to many other suppliers and the market price would fall back in line with the rest of the world.
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Even supposing that were true, how does that make it foolish, like in your example, to charge $100? I’m still trying to understand how your example of selling a $500,000 home for $500 applies to this case.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Government regulations are more like the former than the later. If it is good to have laws against abortion, it is good to have laws against corporate abuse of the public.
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Yet with regulations as I have posted before, Healthcare is NOT a right in the US!

Why? It should be, and I don’t mean free stuff.

I am NOT ALLOWED to care for my health. To try to or to try and help you could end up with me in jail.

WHEN I CAN TRUST THAT REGULATION TO NOT EXIST, I CAN TRUST BIG GOV.

Until I can go buy a drop of penicillin for my infection, I will not trust the gov to regualte the technical aspects .

Until people like you dont vote that I actually dont have a right to healthcare. Free??? Lol free what? Can I be treated as I wish???

Or only as YOU and YoUrs see fit???

How many “proper” ways to treat have been reversed? So when YOU tell me what IS good for me I have to take it because the “free” option is what YOU decide I can have.

That is NOT a right to healthcare, that is a right to whatever the current power broker decides. For whatever reasons… which are most often either incompetence or corrupt
 
that when your time is up, your time is up. It doesn’t matter if you’re young or old, sick or healthy, whether you die of natural causes or get hit by a bus. When your number is up, it’s your time to go.
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Sadly, statements like the above give Christendom a bad name.

They are subjective, however, so there is no need to argue against them. Fortunately, many disagree. Death is the only enemy worth fighting IMINWHO as in its grip, nothing else matters.
Sounds to me like it was developed for use on the battlefield; not as a consumer product.
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So? Air transportation, antibiotics and the IH system in the USA were all developed to meet military needs and today are made use of by everybody.

ICXC NIKA
 
Theo520 said:
Free Markets and Capitalism are not systems of political governance.
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Philosophically you are correct. Historically you couldn’t be more wrong. The enclosures, tariffs, the drive for ‘open markets’ in foreign policy, intellectual property, the progressive era, etc.
 
Theo520 said:
Would you sell your house at the market price of $500,000 or to a homeless person for $500?

I don’t think the saints expect foolish behavior from us,
perhaps selling for $500k and donating what you don’t need to good charities and multiple needy/homeless individuals.

A generator is comfort enabling but not life critical (Hospitals already have them). If there are generators for only 5% of demand, how do you decide who get one? If you sell it well below market price, many buyers will likely just resell it to their neighbor at the market price.
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Electrical power can be life critical, if one is dependent for life upon equipment (refrigerated insulin, sleep-apnea ventilators etc.) although arguably in that condition, one should have the equipment before the crisis situation takes hold.

ICXC NIKA
 
philipl said:
But the fact is, your daughter didn’t pay $800+ for the meds. Her insurance did. This is a problem with medical insurance as it’s not really insurance. Not like homeowners insurance or car insurance. Make it more like that and the price will come down.
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The problem rather is that the base idea, to “insure” the human body, is misconceived.

We can insure drivers because most do not crash.

We can insure buildings against fire because most do not burn.

But every human body is certain to fail catastrophically and expensively.

So there is no way to make a profit insuring it unless almost everybody can be excluded. Some new idea is needed.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
So there is no way to make a profit insuring it unless almost everybody can be excluded. Some new idea is needed.
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Not true. Many people die inexpensively. For health insurance to “work”, it is required that premiums are paid from an early enough age, and are “high enough”. It requires the average lifetime premiums to be higher than average lifetime medical bills. And to make sense for consumers - there must be the possibility of financially crippling medical expenses - for that is what one “insures” against.
 
Brendan said:
The government funded the development of the first autoinjector, which was a dual chamber injector for anti-chemical warfare (nerve agent) use.

The Epi-pen is similar, in that it injects medication, but different operation.

So stating that the Epi-pen research was government funded is incorrect.
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Based on this, the solution is to allow the same level of adjustment to be made by a competitor and sell a $10 pen in competition to the Epi, or allow overseas purchases. Find, don’t blame capitalism, but let us have true capitalism, not protecionism.

Examples continuously pile up as to why profit-driven medicine is a deadly paradigm. People are not buying and keeping life-saving equipment based on the pricing. People will die so this company can make more profits.
 
Theo520 said:
Would you sell your house at the market price of $500,000 or to a homeless person for $500?

I don’t think the saints expect foolish behavior from us,
perhaps selling for $500k and donating what you don’t need to good charities and multiple needy/homeless individuals.

A generator is comfort enabling but not life critical (Hospitals already have them). If there are generators for only 5% of demand, how do you decide who get one? If you sell it well below market price, many buyers will likely just resell it to their neighbor at the market price.
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Christ and the saints expect us to act justly. Christ considered the tax collector’s (Zacharrias?) willingness to repay all those he had cheated fourfold as proof of his conversion.
 
Expatreprocedit said:
Christ and the saints expect us to act justly. Christ considered the tax collector’s (Zacharrias?) willingness to repay all those he had cheated fourfold as proof of his conversion.
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The key point being he had cheated them.

Regarding this particular thread, the company has cheated citizens by bribing the Govt to make their patented delivery system the only acceptable solution. Both Mylan and responsible Fed agencies should be held accountable for cheating the public, when there are many acceptable alternatives that are also profitable to produce.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Well then there is no point in debating this any further. You’re an atheist, a socialist and will probably vote for Hillary so I see no point in me wasting any more of my time here.
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What kind of socialist would vote for a neoliberal imperialist like Hillary? I’m not eligible to vote in US elections anyway, so you don’t have to worry. I’m also not an atheist really, but unfortunately I can’t change my username.

Do you never bother discussing things with people that disagree with you?
 
Regular_Atheist said:
What kind of socialist would vote for a neoliberal imperialist like Hillary? I’m not eligible to vote in US elections anyway, so you don’t have to worry. I’m also not an atheist really, but unfortunately I can’t change my username.

Do you never bother discussing things with people that disagree with you?
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How does a neo-liberal differ from a liberal?
 
Rau said:
How does a neo-liberal differ from a liberal?
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A true “liberal” in the sense of the word is into personal freedom, while the current or “neo” form seeks to use the state to bludgeon everybody into conformity?
 
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