Don't Support Devilish Music(Rock Music)!!!

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Wow… I never thought I’d read / hear something like this again since I was 14 and people said not to play Stairway to Heaven backwards…
Well geez, that’s because it should be common sense that Led Zeppelin is an automatic ticket to hell, while Mozart’s masonic imagery is perfectly acceptable! :rolleyes:

Yeah, there are some unusual posters on CAF, but most are mentally stable (I think).
 
Took me all the posts to get to this.

I listen to (or have) listened to almost everything as a musician for the last 30 years. My love of music has evolved mainly to Jazz. If I’m burning “down there” for listening to Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins and so many others I guess I need to assume that risk the rest of my life. I’ll be there with my Dad (RIP) since he brought me up on this style.

I listen to Dave Matthews and (this may ban me from this site forever) Kiss and so much more - Garth Brooks, etc…

I just can fathom how someone can believe this can be considered Satanic since it’s God’s gift that these people can create art on the spot for the benefit of others…

Wow… I never thought I’d read / hear something like this again since I was 14 and people said not to play Stairway to Heaven backwards…
I hope you realize that Jimmy Page was a Satanist. He was an avid follower of Aleister Crowley (who was well known for his Satanism). Now I’m not dissing on Zep, but it’s not impossible for people’s private lives to factor into their music.

IMO you shouldn’t even play Stairway to Heaven forwards because it’s such a bad song but whatever…

God has given people these musical gifts to glorify Him, not the world. Think about it. What does the Kiss song “I Wanna Rock n’ Roll All Night” glorify? It either means someone wants to wild night of sex with their lover or they want to party all night long. Neither is good, and directly advocating sin.
 
Jimmy Page was involved in the occult, not satanism. I know, not a whole lot better, but there is a diference (why would a satanist even agree to perform “In My Time of Dying”?). By the way, I’m assuming your name is a reference to The Who? I suppose you know that Pete Townshend believes Meher Baba was the Avatar. 🤷
 
Jimmy Page was involved in the occult, not satanism. I know, not a whole lot better, but there is a diference (why would a satanist even agree to perform “In My Time of Dying”?). By the way, I’m assuming your name is a reference to The Who? I suppose you know that Pete Townshend believes Meher Baba was the Avatar. 🤷
Why yes I do know that. However, I believe that truth (just parts, not the whole truth) can come from almost anywhere (except the occult and Satanism). For example, one of my favorite quotes of all time is from Meher Baba and it basically sums up my attitude on drugs: “For the sincere seeker after truth, experimentation with drugs may well open doors, but continued use will lead to madness, death, and insanity.” It basically means that drugs can inspire you, but they will kill you if you continue to use them.
 
Yeah, that’s one thing I find interesting about Meher Baba. He sort of helped lead a counterculture against the druggie counterculture. But I don’t think he’s on the same level as Jesus. 😛
 
Well, behind seemingly illogical beats, there usually is some sort of pattern to how many beats are in a measure or a group of measures. Sometimes it’s fun to just sit around and count along to progressive rock songs. 😛
I know. Sometimes I feel like I would appreciate it more if I had an advanced degree in math. 😉
 
In the 60s, rock evolved beyond the simple timekeeping of the eight-beat rock rhythm and became something much richer, deeper, and more sophisticated. Prog rock (like ELP) don’t follow the rules, anyway, which is what makes them prog rock. 😉
 
I hope you realize that Jimmy Page was a Satanist. He was an avid follower of Aleister Crowley (who was well known for his Satanism). Now I’m not dissing on Zep, but it’s not impossible for people’s private lives to factor into their music.

IMO you shouldn’t even play Stairway to Heaven forwards because it’s such a bad song but whatever…

God has given people these musical gifts to glorify Him, not the world. Think about it. What does the Kiss song “I Wanna Rock n’ Roll All Night” glorify? It either means someone wants to wild night of sex with their lover or they want to party all night long. Neither is good, and directly advocating sin.
Sorry, but what Jimmy Paige, Garth Brooks, Louis Armstrong or Mozart does / did in their non-musical world has no influence on me. I listen to them play - I don’t hang out or associate with them. In most cases, it wouldn’t even be possible to do so since mostly who I listen to have been dead longer than I have been alive.

As far as the reference to the Kiss song goes, it is very true that their lyrics can get “bad”. And trust me, if you knew the deeper Kiss library, you’d hear much more. However, I still would find it hard to believe that their music influences my decisions on how to live my life - makeup, platform shoes and all…

That being said, not knowing much about today’s genre of “teen influenced music”, I can assume there are lyrics and images I’d keep my child away from. Don’t know, I’m only assuming. I’ve seen images which portray their “act” (so to speak) which leans towards an area I’d rather not go to. Perhaps it’s the parent in me. I don’t know.
 
I hope you realize that Jimmy Page was a Satanist. He was an avid follower of Aleister Crowley (who was well known for his Satanism). Now I’m not dissing on Zep, but it’s not impossible for people’s private lives to factor into their music.

IMO you shouldn’t even play Stairway to Heaven forwards because it’s such a bad song but whatever…

God has given people these musical gifts to glorify Him, not the world. Think about it. What does the Kiss song “I Wanna Rock n’ Roll All Night” glorify? It either means someone wants to wild night of sex with their lover or they want to party all night long. Neither is good, and directly advocating sin.
Not necessarily on the KISS song. Maybe they aren’t advocating sin! Let’s take a look at the lyrics here.

“You show us everything you’ve got
You keep on dancin’ and the room gets hot
You drive us wild, we’ll drive you crazy
You say you wanna go for a spin
The party’s just begun, we’ll let you in
You drive us wild, we’ll drive you crazy
You keep on shoutin’, you keep on shoutin’”

Maybe this is a worship service? Maybe it’s Christ showing us everything he’s got at Mass. We definitely drive him crazy with our stupid sinful behaviour, and he drives us wild with the pure fact that he loves us, died for us, and forgives us when we least deserve it. The party’s just begun, we’ll let you in? Reminds me of when I first became Catholic: I’ve just begun this journey in life by letting Christ in.

I wanna rock and roll all night and party everyday? Well that’s an upbeat Mass my friend. We play some Chris Tomlin and Matt Mahr at Mass that truly rocks, and yeah, maybe I do want to rock and roll all night at church. And party every day.

Never make assumptions on what lyrics mean. To someone else, they could mean something completely different.
 
I hope you realize that Jimmy Page was a Satanist. He was an avid follower of Aleister Crowley (who was well known for his Satanism). Now I’m not dissing on Zep, but it’s not impossible for people’s private lives to factor into their music.
But was he really a Satanist? He did have an interest in Crowley, yes. But he never actually called himself a follower, nor was initiated into Crowley’s group. He wasn’t actually a Satanist.

With regards to his personal life influencing his music, maybe that’s true. But let’s flip the script: Say a prominent, theologically sound Catholic singer were to have been found dabbling in heavy drug use througout much of their career, and dabbled in Wicca while they were releasing Catholic music. Do any of those revelations make their music any less Catholic? No, it makes the person not so great: but the music stands on its own

Apply the same thing to Page. He might have been reading some crazy stuff, but personal side doesn’t make his music “evil.”

If you want a slightly similiar real-life example, take Gary Glitter. What a terrible guy (busted for Child pornography). But does that make “Rock and Roll Part 2 (the Hey song)” an intrinsically evil song? If it does, those stadiums that still play it at sports events are evil, evil places
 
Not necessarily on the KISS song. Maybe they aren’t advocating sin! Let’s take a look at the lyrics here.

“You show us everything you’ve got
You keep on dancin’ and the room gets hot
You drive us wild, we’ll drive you crazy
You say you wanna go for a spin
The party’s just begun, we’ll let you in
You drive us wild, we’ll drive you crazy
You keep on shoutin’, you keep on shoutin’”

Maybe this is a worship service? Maybe it’s Christ showing us everything he’s got at Mass. We definitely drive him crazy with our stupid sinful behaviour, and he drives us wild with the pure fact that he loves us, died for us, and forgives us when we least deserve it. The party’s just begun, we’ll let you in? Reminds me of when I first became Catholic: I’ve just begun this journey in life by letting Christ in.

I wanna rock and roll all night and party everyday? Well that’s an upbeat Mass my friend. We play some Chris Tomlin and Matt Mahr at Mass that truly rocks, and yeah, maybe I do want to rock and roll all night at church. And party every day.

Never make assumptions on what lyrics mean. To someone else, they could mean something completely different.
An excellent point! But while the lyrics can be interpreted that way, I don’t think Kiss meant them to be Christian at all (there is the .01% chance however).
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Sorry, but what Jimmy Paige, Garth Brooks, Louis Armstrong or Mozart does / did in their non-musical world has no influence on me. I listen to them play - I don’t hang out or associate with them. In most cases, it wouldn’t even be possible to do so since mostly who I listen to have been dead longer than I have been alive.
But is their music influencing you? I used to be really into Slayer and that actually took a lot of anger I had inside me and made it worse. Subconciously, I turned away from God, and was, for all intents and purposes, no longer a Christian (went to church but never acted like it). Am I saying that Slayer is to blame for that? No, there were much bigger contributors. But it did have an effect.
 
Of course that is another consideration. For those who are uncomfortable with certain music, they should probably avoid it. But for those who aren’t, I don’t see much of a problem.
 
But is their music influencing you? I used to be really into Slayer and that actually took a lot of anger I had inside me and made it worse. Subconciously, I turned away from God, and was, for all intents and purposes, no longer a Christian (went to church but never acted like it). Am I saying that Slayer is to blame for that? No, there were much bigger contributors. But it did have an effect.

Of course music influences / impacts people in various ways. Studies show benefits of learning instruments for children, in stroke patients, hence the whole world of Music Therapy and it’s benefits on people.

A hammer, saw and screwdriver influence me as well in different ways. I can take those tools and make / fix stuff or I could do bodily harm to someone (including myself).

In either case, the choice is mine and I’m responsible for how it influences me.

Kids need to be guided though as they are not mentally mature enough to understand positive versus negative influences. That’s the parent’s responsibility and choice to make.
 
But is their music influencing you? I used to be really into Slayer and that actually took a lot of anger I had inside me and made it worse. Subconciously, I turned away from God, and was, for all intents and purposes, no longer a Christian (went to church but never acted like it). Am I saying that Slayer is to blame for that? No, there were much bigger contributors. But it did have an effect.
Of course music influences / impacts everyone in various ways. Studies show benefits of learning instruments for children, in stroke patients, hence the whole world of Music Therapy and it’s benefits on people. Music generally impacts people on an emotional level as well as cognitive.

A hammer, saw and screwdriver influence me as well in different ways. I can take those tools and make / fix stuff or I could do bodily harm to someone (including myself).

In either case, the choice is mine and I’m responsible for how it influences me.

Kids need to be guided though as they are not mentally mature enough to understand positive versus negative influences. This goes for music and everything else in life. That’s the parent’s responsibility and choice to make. Again, I’m sure there’s music I’ll not let my daughter listen to be it considered any label you want to try to put on it. But then again, there will be (and already are) people I won’t let her be around, place she won’t be able to go to, etc…
 
So, does that mean that I am or not going to hell for listening to Flogging Molly?😃
 
There’s this one band that I enjoy listening (and headbanging) to. They’re called Skillet and they sing rock/heavy metal, but the lyrics are really meaningful.
Once the leader of Skillet, John Cooper, had just finished a concert and most of the people had gone home. They were cleaning up when John noticed this guy watching him. The guy was big and dressed totally in black and he was just staring at John, making him uneasy. Finally the guy walks up to John and to John’s surprise, he’s got tears in his eyes. He starts telling John about his life and how he felt like this one song that John had sung was for him. The song is called “Last Night” and it’s about this girl who hates her life and wants to commit suicide. Then the chorus basically tells her that if she gives God one chance, He’ll make it the last night she’ll ever spend alone. The guy wasn’t a Christian. He had just gone to the concert because of the style of music. But he and John ended up hugging and crying and John was praying for him.
I guess my point is, maybe rock has been used to endorse Satan. But Christ has taken something bad and changed it into something good. If Christ can use this music to bring more people to Him, then it needs to be encouraged, not condemned. 🙂
I love this example. Some people would be really turned off by the type of music Skillet plays, because it’s rock/metal, but they use it to spread the Good News just as much as any preacher.

Music in itself is not good or bad. That’s why I dislike the term “Christian music,” for example- music can’t be Christian, as in it believes that Christ is the savior or anything. Music is just a collection of sounds arranged in an ear-pleasing (or not! 😉 ) manner. How you use the music makes it pleasing to God or not.
 
Hi again.I just went back from a Life In Spirit Seminar two days ago and the priest was talking about how people got influenced by the devil.He talked about cults,occults,spirit of the coin,magic.But one thing was really getting my attention when the priest was talking about how people today are influenced by the devil through music(rock music,country music,etcetera).

During his talk,he mentioned bands and singers like John Lennon,Beatles,Eagles,Beach Boys and more!I was shocked to hear that these people were involved in Satanism!!.
I’d be shocked too, especially since it isn’t true.
 
Not having read more than a few of the pages of this thread I come away with a few thoughts.

There isn’t to much Rock / Hard Rock / Heavy Metal I would have playing in my house when my pastor comes over.

Does that make all the music bad? Probably not. Is there a percentage of it that is bad? Probably. I personally find that I am a more joyful person if I am not listening to Rock / Hard Rock / Heavy Metal. There seems to be an inherant aggresion and definite hedonism to a lot of the music I chose to listen to as a teen. The lyrics, I believe, have an affect on the listener whether he / she wants it to or not. Ozzy Osbournes “Suicide Solution” didn’t cause me to want to kill myself, with liquor or any other “weapon” but I also can’t say it wouldn’t have that affect on another person. In the Act of Contrition we say that we will avoid occasions for sin. While listening to a song may not be sinful, in itself. It may dispose someone to sin.

My other thought is this. It is disconcerting to me to see the number of uncharitable posts in this thread. The OP expressed his opinion and the number of attacks on his opinion seemed to out number the well thought responses. Are we that unable to withstand someone voicing opposition to something we hold dear? As Christians, if we have that kind of negative response to an opinion about something such as the music we like, shouldn’t we consider whether that music has become an idol? Just some thoughts.
 
My other thought is this. It is disconcerting to me to see the number of uncharitable posts in this thread. The OP expressed his opinion and the number of attacks on his opinion seemed to out number the well thought responses. Are we that unable to withstand someone voicing opposition to something we hold dear? As Christians, if we have that kind of negative response to an opinion about something such as the music we like, shouldn’t we consider whether that music has become an idol? Just some thoughts.
One of the biggest things I’ve hated about fundamentalists is that they’re always reinforcing the negative stereotypes of religion. Being anti-rock music happens to be one of them. I don’t like someone (be they do it intentionally or not) perpetuating the lie that if you value religion, you instantly become some prude who screams “Rock music is of the deviiil!!”. =_=

Don’t underestimate the power of this misconception. Imagine how many musical enthusiasts you could turn away from religion if you allowed it to remain unaddressed.
 
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