Nope omnipotence doesn’t come into this at all, for the purpose of this breakdown neither party involved needs omnipotence.
He doesn’t need to be able to defy his own will, again his capabilities don’t come into it. Gods interlocutor (lets call him Tyrion for ease of discussion) simply needs to be able to make a decision.
Lets create a nice simple example for discussion…
God is asked to predict if Tyrion will choose “A” or “B” (it doesn’t matter for this discussion what “A” and “B” represent, we are only interested up to the point where Tyrion makes a choice).
if God predicts that he will choose “A” then Tyrion chooses “B”.
If God predicts that he will choose “B” then Tyrion chooses “A”.
God cannot answer correctly.
Like I said, it relies on Tyrion contradicting his own will. Let’s imagine Tyrion wants A. That means Tyrion’s will is A. Now, God knows this, of course. Ordinarily, asked to predict what Tyrion will choose, God, or anyone who knows Tyrion sufficiently well, will answer, “why, ‘A,’ of course! You know Tyrion!”
Tyrion is an A-phile. All other things being equal, Tyrion will always choose A over B, and God, of course, in His omniscience, knows this. But, all other things in our scenario are
not equal. Tyrion is intending to choose, not his will, but whichever option God predicts he won’t choose. So, (you think, in your limited imagination,) when God correctly predicts that Tyrion’s will is to choose A, Tyrion decides to go against his own will, and choose B. Just to prove God wrong! Screw that pretty little daughter of mine, Tyrion says, let her burn to death! I have to prove God wrong, and by golly, nothing is going to stop me!
The scenario I have painted is actually unrealistic. I hope. I hope Tyrion would not actually let his daughter burn to death in order to prove God wrong. I hope Tyrion, and you, can one day come to the point where you actually recognize that there are some things that simply matter a whole lot more than disproving the coherency of God.
I recognize that neither you nor he grasps the coherency of God, but your failure to grasp it does not actually make God incoherent. “Perfect Logic comes from Perfect Love.” All your arguments “proving” the concept of God incoherent demonstrate quite clearly that you lack understanding, and nothing more. See my post, “If you see someone in error. . .” There are definitely scenarios that occur all the time on this board, wherein many view posts by people like you and Tyrion, and
know that you are incorrect, but can’t articulate how. It doesn’t make you correct. It is simply that you have entered sophistry so deeply that you wrap yourself up in pseudo-logic and blind even yourself to the simplicity of the truth. You may win arguments, and lose the truth. Will that be a good accomplishment?
It will not be possible for Tyrion to do what you say he can do above.
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if God predicts that he will choose “A” then Tyrion chooses “B”.
If God predicts that he will choose “B” then Tyrion chooses “A”.
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That is incoherent. First of all, God does not “predict.” God knows. So that is the first point showing the incoherency of your statements above. We are temporal beings, and we watch time unfold, and the future is hidden from our view. But the future is what it is, just as the past is what it is and the present is what it is. Everything that is, is what it is. That is the Law of Identity. So: suppose that, in the future, Tyrion chooses A. Then, that is how it is. That is reality. In such a scenario, BOTH your statements above are incoherent. Tyrion CANNOT choose B, because Tyrion DOES choose A. To choose B contradicts his choosing A, and there are no contradictions in reality. The Law of Identity states that Tyrion chooses what Tyrion chooses, and if it is the case that Tyrion chooses A, then Tyrion chooses A.
And neither of your statements above accounts for this reality. To say, “if God predicts that he will choose A, then Tyrion chooses B,” is inconsistent with the reality that he chooses A. And to say, “if God predicts that he will choose B, then Tyrion chooses A,” is inconsistent with God’s omniscience. The reality is, God predicts Tyrion chooses A, and Tyrion chooses A.
Consider Saint Peter. Our Lord predicted Saint Peter would deny Him three times. Saint Peter said, “never, Lord, I will die first.” And then Saint Peter went ahead and denied Him three times. But Tyrion is so much more clever than Saint Peter, right?
Consider the burning building. God predicts Tyrion will save his daughter. What will Tyrion actually do? Is Tyrion a monster? Is proving God wrong really worth letting his daughter burn to death?
Consider, finally, Jonah. Jonah is a prophet. The Word of God came to Jonah: "go to the city of Nineveh and tell them, ‘forty days more, and Nineveh will be destroyed.’ " Word of God. Was Nineveh destroyed? No, God spared it. Why? Why did Tyrion save his daughter? Maybe his daughter’s life was more important to him than proving God wrong. Maybe the lives of the citizens of Nineveh were more important to Omnipotent Love than proving Himself right and destroying them.
Gee — YA THINK???
You people seriously need to get a real set of priorities. I for my part am now going to pray another rosary.
) is extremely unlikely. suppose that Tyrion does this test over and over again. The only way to explain the cause for Tyrion’s actions (choosing A) is that an extremely unprobable event happened over and over and over again without devine intervention. And that just isn’t plausible.