Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

[Jaypeeto4]

By the way,
my late, beloved grandmother always called herself
“a Seventh Day Adventist.”
While I consider her to be quite a godly woman,
she smoked cigarets (right up till her 95th year of age), enjoyed a good glass of Mogen David
kosher wine, ate pork chops and bacon,
and basically didn’t keep any of their dietary or Saturday laws.
And she respected Christians of other denominations.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+

 

[Stephen_Korsman]

Doug Batchelor is one of the most honest pastors I have ever watched

I cannot judge his honesty. I can judge his statements. They are not true. He might sincerely believe them, but he has demonstrated an unwillingness to be corrected. His message is more powerful if he ignores the facts, so why bother with them?

That’s the problem, and that is why people should be aware that what he teaches is not the truth, and that he has fallen prey to a lie that he is just perpetuating.

This is why Catholics need to defend their faith against Adventism.

 

[St_Violet]

Ellan G white claimed to receive phophetic messages she never lead a cult or group. If you read any of her books you will see she wants people to focus on Christ not her…and granted some SDA may hold her in high regards (like catholics hold the Pope as someone the can have faith in his messages) it doesn’t mean they all do.

the teachings of Ellen G White is to guide them in their understanding of their interpretation of the bible. Ellen G White’s teaching has been proven to be unbiblical.

 

[St_Violet]

you are so right…lies get mixed with the truth…so have you seen what the Catholic church is claiming these days

can you name some claims that the Catholic Church mixed truth and lies in?

 

[peary]

you are so right…lies get mixed with the truth…so have you seen what the Catholic church is claiming these days

So, what is it that we are claiming these days?

 

[angelusm]

I’m not impressed at all.
Catholic Church Attack #1
That’s a ridiculous misunderstanding. Pope neve claims he “takes tha place” of Jesus. He just represents Jesus on earth. It’s unbelievable this guy said something like that, he must be going insane. Pope is appointed by Jesus: you are Peter the rock, etc.

Catholic Church Attack #2

Mr Batchelor stated “Where in the Bible states that Sunday is the holy day of obligation?”

Nowhere in the Bible. And it doesn’t matter at all. I’m afraid that for protestants Bible itself is a kind of God. They worship the Bible. Pope-Peter has the right of binding and releasing. Pope decided that Sunday is a day of obligation beacuse he had the right to do so and now we are abliged to attend a Mass every Sunday.

Catholic Church Attack #3
Mr. Batchelor said that the Catholic Church was brutal in persecuting non-believers or didn’t believe in the Catholic way.

Protestant massacres: Indians in North America, Aborigines in Australia, 70000 killed by “protestant inquisition” in England, 200000 in Northern Germany. Obviously they killed many catholics. Myths about “brutality” of CC are unfortunately still alive. Don’t believe when a protestant says anything against CC! Sometimes it’s caused by hatred, sometimes by ignorance.
Pope JPII in 2000 apologised for mistakes of the children of CC. Protestants NEVER apologised!

 

[po18guy]

Hi Catholics,

There is a guy I saw on the BET network. His name is Doug Batchelor, president of his show called Amazing Facts. In his show he preaches the bible using an 80 inch screen television. He has made me upset. If there are Catholics right now reading this, please give your feedback. I’ve watched other religious channels before but they never criticized other religions. This show brutally criticized the Catholic Church.

Let’s begin on what Mr. Batchelor preached:

Catholic Church Attack #1

Mr. Batchelor said he read the book Crossing the Threshold of Hope written by his Holiness John Paul II. In the book it says:"Confronted with the Pope, one must make a choice. The leader of the Catholic Church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers), The Pope is considered the man on the earth who represents the Son of God, who ‘takes the place’ of the second person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity. page 3

Mr. Batchelor stated this is blasphemy. He states “The Bible states that God is Holy, Holy and reverened is His Name.” He argued that the Pope is man and since he is man he is human. Human falls short in the Glory of God. He said that the pope shouldn’t even consider himself the 2nd of the trinity…

Catholic Church Attack #2

Mr Batchelor stated “Where in the Bible states that Sunday is the holy day of obligation?” He said “A long time ago Saturday was the holy day of obligation, it was a Catholic Tradition. Constantine wanted to satisfy the Romans so he made Sunday the holy day of obligation for the Romans because that day was assigned as the Sun God.” He continued saying that because of this the Catholic Church had two days of obligation. One day was Saturday which was Catholic Tradition to be the holy day of obligation. The 2nd day which was Sunday was made to make the Romans happy. So for many years we had 2 days of obligation and soon, Catholics broke away from tradition and assigned Sunday as the holy day of obligation. Mr. Batchelor said “Check this out, this is why Catholic Tradition falls short and that is why there is no scripture to back this up.”

Catholic Church Attack #3
Mr. Batchelor said that the Catholic Church was brutal in persecuting non-believers or didn’t believe in the Catholic way. If someone was caught preaching against the Church they would capture him, tie hiim up and let him dehydrate. So once the unbeliever became thirsty they would crack glass in a small towel and soak it in water and let him swallow it so that the glass will cut off his vocal cords so he can’t preach heresy. He continued saying that the Catholic Church would bury women alive who were unbelievers and execute children right in front of the parents face. He said it was a total of 50-70 million people executed. He quoted this on Popes V2, p.334

All I can say is that Christ rode into Jerusalem on Mr. Batchelor’s back.

He has more in common with Hitler (the BIG LIE) than with Christ. And, just who is “a liar and the father of lies”?

Christ’s peace.

 

[Stephen_Korsman]

Catholic Church Attack #2

Mr Batchelor stated “Where in the Bible states that Sunday is the holy day of obligation?”

Nowhere in the Bible. And it doesn’t matter at all. I’m afraid that for protestants Bible itself is a kind of God. They worship the Bible. Pope-Peter has the right of binding and releasing. Pope decided that Sunday is a day of obligation beacuse he had the right to do so and now we are abliged to attend a Mass every Sunday.

I think it’s also important to note that the Bible also never tells us, as Christians, to keep Saturday. The only commands in the Bible are limited to the Old Testament; no examples of Christian Saturday observance can be found in the New Testament, not even those texts that Adventists claim are examples, as they do not state that Christians (Paul in most contexts) attended the Jewish services out of a Sabbath obligation. They are more likely to be events that were an opportunity to give a witness at a gathering which was historically multicultural and not limited to Jews than to be cases of Paul worshipping alongside unbelieving Jews for the sake of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant and the old creation; the Eucharist is the sign of the New Covenant, and it is fitting that we celebrate the New Covenant and the new creation on the day Jesus rose, giving that covenant life.

 

[peary]

*“Where in the Bible states that Sunday is the holy day of obligation?” *

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.

Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

Mr. Batchelor needs to read his bible instead of going on his weekly ego-trip.

 

[po18guy]

*“Where in the Bible states that Sunday is the holy day of obligation?” *Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday.

Not to forget:
Matthew 12:8
“For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Mark 2:28
“So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Luke 6:5
Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

God chose Friday for His Son to die, and Sunday for His Son to rise. If you reject His judgment, you reject Him. When you do not, or no longer believe that Christ founded One Church, that he gave the Apostles the power to bind and loose, you are easily lead astray. How tiny, how impotent is their vision of God.

Christ’ peace be always with you.

 

[motoeric]

Aren’t you bothered that the Roman Catholic church isn’t attacked? The Pope and catholics are well loved, there is no persercution of catholics is there?

Jesus said woe to you when people speak well of you.

The SDA is the remnant of God’s true church on earth. We expect to be attacked left, right and centre. We are the only real threat to Satan on this planet.

I don’t want to get into an argument of who is attacked more (sorta silly imho), but you really need to check out other forums if you don’t think that Catholics are attacked.

There is a prominent Protestant forum where they have a subforum for every religion. There is more activity on the Catholic forum than all other forums COMBINED. And they aren’t there saying what big fans they are.

I know that one example amounts to anecdotal evidence, but it is pretty representative if you look around.

Eric

 

[po18guy]

Amazing Facts (Falsehoods) is a seventh day adventist front group. They will resist admitting their sda affiliation. Wonder why. Do NOT trust one thing they tell you. They doctor quotes. I have caught them and pointed it out, but they acknowledged it and refused to change the quote back. They leave out crucial parts of quotes using the elipse ie. the … They use anything but the catechism as authoritative sources. They find some “catholic” book and quote it as if it were dogma. They use every trick in the book to lie and deceive. Don’t believe a word they say.

Remember that ALL non-Catholic faiths MUST be anti-Catholic, having to justify their claim that they are the one true church-even if they only go back 10 years. As sincere as the SDA are, they are just as wrong. Even though they are geniume Christians with a valid baptism, they are as close to a cult as you can get. They do not like to reveal their name. Take just one of their disguised books “7 Mysteries explained”. I looked at the chapter titles. There it was, the sixth mystery: the “anti-Christ revealed” Don’t go there, I said to myself. They went there. Yes, it’s the Pope-he’s the anti-Christ from Revelation! Well, which Pope? There are 265 of them…Every one? Uh, revelation speaks of ONE anti-Christ. Was it JP2, who helped defeat godless communism? No, because that would make Satan’s house divided against itself. Well, which one?

Where is SDA “prophetess” Ellen G.W. in prophecy? Nowhere. Where is soul annihilation in scripture? Nowhere. Where is “temporary hell” in scripture? Nowhere. SDA popped up in 1800s America. No true faith EVER originated in America. I love America, but the Holy Land we ain’t.

 

[po18guy]

The SDA church is the only church that fits the remnant church of Revelation 12. We base our teaching on the Bible only.

Using the KJV, which contains 2,600 translation errors. Some foundation. Don’t believe it? Just google “KJV translation errors”.

 

[po18guy]

Wouldn’t you think a book that’s as voluminous sounding as a Catechism would have more than two quotes from it across the entire Internet? It sounds like no one can find this thing. No ISBN. Nothing in the Library of Congress. Hmm, you’d think a book supposedly representing the official doctrine of the Catholic Church wouldn’t be so hard for Catholics to locate.

Probably came verbatim from Lorraine Boettner’s Roman Catholicism, the “go to” book for everyone that hates the truth. It is such a vile compilation of lies that I hate to mention it.

Let’s see, if there was a one true church, just who would hate it and attack it and lie about it, leading the faithful astray? Hmmm…could it be… Satan?

 

[po18guy]

Ellan G white claimed to receive phophetic messages she never lead a cult or group. If you read any of her books you will see she wants people to focus on Christ not her…and granted some SDA may hold her in high regards (like catholics hold the Pope as someone the can have faith in his messages) it doesn’t mean they all do.

So did Joseph Smith. So did Charles Taze Russell, so did every other self-appointed “prophet” in 1800s America.

But Ellen was certainly spoken of in scripture: Mark 13:22 “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible” - Jesus Christ

 

[Ashamed]

Hello everybody!

I just want to start off by saying yes I’m a Seventh-Day Adventist member but I am a Christian first and foremost as members of all denominations should be. Refusing to hear reason because the church we attend has a different doctrine is very foolish. I think this lesson was shown very clearly in the New Testament through the religious scholars and leaders of that day. We owe it to ourselves and the one whom we worship to re-examine the doctrine we follow. As Christians we shouldn’t be putting other people down because we think their beliefs are wrong but we should aim enlighten them in a civil manner.

Secondly, I’d like to add that I am ashamed of the way people on both sides of the argument are berating each other and taking biblical texts out of context.

That being said, if you have any questions pertaining to beliefs that I have such as the Sabbath, the state of the dead or any other hotly debated issues feel free to ask.

Link to Doug Batchelor’s sermon on the Sabbath

video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7689795610029154672&q=doug+batchelor&total=168&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

 

[St_Violet]

Hello everybody!

I just want to start off by saying yes I’m a Seventh-Day Adventist member but I am a Christian first and foremost as members of all denominations should be. Refusing to hear reason because the church we attend has a different doctrine is very foolish. I think this lesson was shown very clearly in the New Testament through the religious scholars and leaders of that day. We owe it to ourselves and the one whom we worship to re-examine the doctrine we follow. As Christians we shouldn’t be putting other people down because we think their beliefs are wrong but we should aim enlighten them in a civil manner.

Secondly, I’d like to add that I am ashamed of the way people on both sides of the argument are berating each other and taking biblical texts out of context.

That being said, if you have any questions pertaining to beliefs that I have such as the Sabbath, the state of the dead or any other hotly debated issues feel free to ask.

Link to Doug Batchelor’s sermon on the Sabbath

video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7689795610029154672&q=doug+batchelor&total=168&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

Doug Batchelor is known to lie…

 

[Ashamed]

Doug Batchelor is known to lie…

Wow, didn’t read anything I wrote at all? Secondly if you’re concerned with this there is an easy way to determine what is and isn’t true. First, don’t believe anything they say if they don’t have anything biblical to back it up. Secondly, read whatever texts they quote for yourself. And don’t just read that quote but read it in its proper context. That means read the preceeding and proceeding verses or chapters. Somebody can prove anything they want by taking something out of context. People may lie but if you’re a Christian you should at least believe what the bible says.

 

[po18guy]

Wow, didn’t read anything I wrote at all? Secondly if you’re concerned with this there is an easy way to determine what is and isn’t true. First, don’t believe anything they say if they don’t have anything biblical to back it up. Secondly, read whatever texts they quote for yourself. And don’t just read that quote but read it in its proper context. That means read the preceeding and proceeding verses or chapters. Somebody can prove anything they want by taking something out of context. People may lie but if you’re a Christian you should at least believe what the bible says.

Even better than that. We go to the church for truth, as the bible says (Matthew 16:18, 18:17, and referred to in Acts 5, 8, 9, 11 ,12). Christ’s church produced the bible - the bible did not produce the church. Christ Himself left us a church rather than a bible, by founding a church on Cephas, not a book. We revere Sacred Scripture, it is the first half of mass, but it leads to “something greater”. Sacred Scripture is one of the two hands of faith - the other being Sacred Tradition. After all of these centuries and the evil one’s insidious attacks, much confusion has appeared in Christendom. Everything we do must lead to the “something greater”, which is Christ Himself. That which does not lead to Christ is false.

There is so much more to Christ than just the book that was written about him, as you might suspect, since John 21:25 speaks of many times more things Christ taught and did than are recorded.

My Chaplain at work is a Pastor of SDA and we love each other as brothers. I always look forward to Spirit-filled conversations with him. We most certainly have our differences, but when we see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of Heaven, I think all of that will fade quickly away.

Christ’s peace.

 

[St_Violet]

Wow, didn’t read anything I wrote at all? Secondly if you’re concerned with this there is an easy way to determine what is and isn’t true. First, don’t believe anything they say if they don’t have anything biblical to back it up. Secondly, read whatever texts they quote for yourself. And don’t just read that quote but read it in its proper context. That means read the preceeding and proceeding verses or chapters. Somebody can prove anything they want by taking something out of context. People may lie but if you’re a Christian you should at least believe what the bible says.

No, see the problem with Doug Batchelor is that he misleads his audience when he speaks of the Catholic Church. Someone who is sincere would not have to resort to lies to get their point across like Doug Batchelor is known to do. do you not agree?