Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

[happilycatholic]

By underscoring my “personal belief”, that would indicate that I don’t have a scriptural reference for what I said. I serve a merciful God and sometimes struggle with the idea of Him condemning a child or someone who was incapable of making a rational decision to accept Him if they never had the chance or were unable to due to some sort of mental inability. However, God is sovereign and I don’t question His authority on whatever He does do; I simply serve Him out of faith and love. We are all born into sin, regardless of our circumstance so to repeat, this is a personal belief and not something I would teach as doctrine.

With that said though, even if someone is “baptized” at birth, that doesn’t give them a free ride at any point in their life. We’re judged according to what we do with the faith we have…not by the fact that we’ve been baptized.

How about we go back to the discussion regarding the attempted change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day before moving on since none of those posts have been addressed so far?

They certainly have been addressed, over and over. We just don’t agree.

 

[happilycatholic]

Without scriptual references for your belief?, but The SDA’s have a scripture for everything? At least that’s what an SDA has told me…they believe in the Bible period!
So, I want to see your bible references, and the official line of the SDA.

I know you won’t have any problem pulling out your pre-selected verses to back your position on the Saturday worship thing… Doug Batchelor has infered that since Sunday is named after the Roman God of the Sun, that those who worship on Sunday worship the pagan God. But What he didn’t say is that Saturday is named after the Roman God Saturn, so shouldn’t we also infer that those who worship on Saturday worship the God Saturn?..You need to listen to what con men like batchelor don’t say as well as what they do.

It seems to me they’ll listen to pretty much anyone. Ellen White, Doug Bachelor, it doesn’t matter that the first was a delusional teenager and the second is an egotistical maniac.

Good luck.

 

[djconklin]

And what do SDA’s believe happens to babies that die before they can make the decision to follow Christ?

1. do they go to heaven?
2. Do they go to Hell?

Personally, I would trust God to make the right decision. Therefore, I highly doubt it would be #2.

 

[djconklin]

It seems to me they’ll listen to pretty much anyone. Ellen White, Doug Bachelor, it doesn’t matter that the first was a delusional teenager and the second is an egotistical maniac.

Uness you are a trained psychiatrist and have had in-depth therapy sessions with both* your name-calling is highly uncalled for and contrary to the etchings of Jesus:

Matthew 5:22 … whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

• And if you did, you’d know enough not to reveal your diagnosis on the web.

But What he didn’t say is that Saturday is named after the Roman God Saturn, so shouldn’t we also infer that those who worship on Saturday worship the God Saturn?..

That’s the secular name for the day; the biblical name (and the only one that counts for Christians) is Sabbath.

 

[greggy53]

It seems to me they’ll listen to pretty much anyone. Ellen White, Doug Bachelor, it doesn’t matter that the first was a delusional teenager and the second is an egotistical maniac.

Good luck.

Men like Batchelor are nothing more that Flim-Flam artists who twist the truth to trap unsuspecting people who are trying to find God.

Case in point: Batchelor goes to great lengths quoting scripture after scripture to prove that the seventh day of the week was and is the Sabbath. He then uses these verses to “prove” that when St John wrote in the book of Revelation about being in the “spirit on the Lord’s day” that since John was a Jew the “Lord’s day” could not have meant any other day but the Sabbath, or Saturday… But, if you stop and think about it. With the many verses in the bible that state that Saturday is the Sabbath, and John being a Jew wouldn’t he have said “being in the spirit on the Sabbath” if that is what he meant??? Rather, wouldn’t we have to infer, John being a Jew, and Saturday being referred to over and over again in the scriptures as the Sabbath that when he said, “Being in the spirit on the Lord’s day” he had to mean some other day than the Sabbath?? You can argue that the "lord’s day may not mean Sunday, but it definitely can’t be Saturday…Listen to what men preach carefully.

 

[djconklin]

Men like Batchelor are nothing more that Flim-Flam artists who twist the truth to trap unsuspecting people who are trying to find God.

There are laws on the books about slander and unless you send money directly to Doug Batchelor he doesn’t benefit from it–so this runs counter to how flim-flam artists work.

Case in point: Batchelor goes to great lengths quoting scripture after scripture to prove that the seventh day of the week was and is the Sabbath. He then uses these verses to “prove” that when St John wrote in the book of Revelation about being in the “spirit on the Lord’s day” that since John was a Jew the “Lord’s day” could not have meant any other day but the Sabbath, or Saturday… But, if you stop and think about it. With the many verses in the bible that state that Saturday is the Sabbath, and John being a Jew wouldn’t he have said “being in the spirit on the Sabbath” if that is what he meant??? Rather, wouldn’t we have to infer, John being a Jew, and Saturday being referred to over and over again in the scriptures as the Sabbath that when he said, “Being in the spirit on the Lord’s day” he had to mean some other day than the Sabbath?? You can argue that the "lord’s day may not mean Sunday, but it definitely can’t be Saturday…Listen to what men preach carefully.

Men always suggest what the Bible writers should have said instead of what they actually wrote.

What John is saying is that while he was in the spirit he was shown the day of the Lord–i.e., the judgment day.* Calling the first day of the week “the Lord’s day” didn’t start till centuries afterwards. So, it would anarchronistic to think that he was referring to the first day of the week.

• Since this is also the overall theme of the book it fits this intrepretation best.

 

[djconklin]

So according to Andrea and those SDAs who agree with her, it seems that all you Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, all Orthodox, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Presberterians, Assemblies of God, Churches of God, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, and every other group of believers who profess Jesus Christ, but have been worshipping on Sunday, The day of the sun god Lucifer…have been worshipping in vain and your worship and prayers to Jesus Christ are not really going to Jesus Christ or God, but in reality, we have all been deceived and have been worshipping Satan.

That is NOT a teaching in the SDA church and anyone who has done any research into it or was a member of it would know that.

If we are all God’s children, then why do some churches declare that all others are not true churches? If everything is hunky-dorey in whatever church you belong to then why does God call His people out at the end of time?

Revelation 18:1-4 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

[djconklin]

Knowing if someone has been baptised properly or not is not your right. It’s God’s. You are bearing bad fruits.

There is nothing in Scripture to justify such a position.

If you weren’t baptised biblically, then you weren’t baptised, period.

Its like marriage: if you aren’t married to someone of the opposite sex, then you can call whatever it is you are doing anything you want, but biblically it isn’t a marriage.

 

[happilycatholic]

Uness you are a trained psychiatrist and have had in-depth therapy sessions with both* your name-calling is highly uncalled for and contrary to the etchings of Jesus:

Please give me a break. You are worried about name-calling with the way you referred to Jews in your earlier posts. You are incredible.

Matthew 5:22 … whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

• And if you did, you’d know enough not to reveal your diagnosis on the web.

That’s the secular name for the day; the biblical name (and the only one that counts for Christians) is Sabbath.

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

There is nothing in Scripture to justify such a position.

If you weren’t baptised biblically, then you weren’t baptised, period.

What all is involved in being “baptised biblically”?

God bless all!!!

 

[happilycatholic]

There is nothing in Scripture to justify such a position.

If you weren’t baptised biblically, then you weren’t baptised, period.

Its like marriage: if you aren’t married to someone of the opposite sex, then you can call whatever it is you are doing anything you want, but biblically it isn’t a marriage.

You are treading on risky ground. Be careful.

 

[djconklin]

It appears from all you have shared that there is no choice, in your opinion, to follow God unless you worship on saturday. And that leaves few options available except for the SDA church.

The Bible is quite clear: the seventh day of the wekk is God’s holy Sabbath day and He calls you apart from your secular work to rest in Him and worship Him on that day. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any one person’s opinion, period.

BTW, there’s about a dozen denominations that worship on the God’s Sabbath. Others are:

United Church of God

Church of God (Seventh-Day)

Triumph Prophetic Ministries

Church of God, Seventh Day

United Church of God

Church of God

Global Church of God

Philadelphia Church of God

Church of God, International

Christian Educational Ministries

Intercontinental Church of God Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association

Seventh-day Pentecostals

 

[greggy53]

Personally, I would trust God to make the right decision. Therefore, I highly doubt it would be #2.

Again, are these just feelings, or can you back up your belief with some scripture? You can’t can you? You know that if you just go by the “Book” you are damned if you don’t accept Christ as your saviour, weather or not it’s your fault…If you go by the Book! and you Protestants live and die by the “Book” don’t you.

 

[djconklin]

Again, are these just feelings, or can you back up your belief with some scripture? You can’t can you? You know that if you just go by the “Book” you are damned if you don’t accept Christ as your saviour, weather or not it’s your fault…If you go by the Book! and you Protestants live and die by the “Book” don’t you.

I didn’t say anything about “feelings”–I have no idea where you got that from.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[djconklin]

What all is involved in being “baptised biblically”?

What does the Bible say?

Matt 3:1, 7; 11:11f; 14:2, 8; 16:14; 17:13; 20:22f; 21:25; Mark 1:4; 6:14, 24f; 8:28; 10:38f; 11:30; Luke 3:3; 7:20, 28f, 33; 9:19; 12:50; 20:4; Acts 1:22; 10:37; 13:24; 18:25; 19:3f; Rom 6:4; Eph 4:5; Col 2:12; Heb 6:2; 1 Pet 3:21

 

[greggy53]

There are laws on the books about slander and unless you send money directly to Doug Batchelor he doesn’t benefit from it–so this runs counter to how flim-flam artists work.

Men always suggest what the Bible writers should have said instead of what they actually wrote.

What John is saying is that while he was in the spirit he was shown the day of the Lord–i.e., the judgment day.* Calling the first day of the week “the Lord’s day” didn’t start till centuries afterwards. So, it would anarchronistic to think that he was referring to the first day of the week.

• Since this is also the overall theme of the book it fits this intrepretation best.

I don’t know what kind of a bible you are quoting from, but this is what mine says:

" I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, "
I called Batchelor a flim-flam man because thats what he is, he not only steals mens money, but he steals their souls…and that is my opinon, so sue me!

 

[djconklin]

Uness you are a trained psychiatrist and have had in-depth therapy sessions with both* your name-calling is highly uncalled for and contrary to the etchings of Jesus:

Please give me a break.

The punch line for that cheap-shot type remark is “which leg?”

You are worried about name-calling with the way you referred to Jews in your earlier posts.

Which post?

You are incredible.

Why thank you!​

Still haven’t learned how to use the quote command?

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

What does the Bible say?

Matt 3:1, 7; 11:11f; 14:2, 8; 16:14; 17:13; 20:22f; 21:25; Mark 1:4; 6:14, 24f; 8:28; 10:38f; 11:30; Luke 3:3; 7:20, 28f, 33; 9:19; 12:50; 20:4; Acts 1:22; 10:37; 13:24; 18:25; 19:3f; Rom 6:4; Eph 4:5; Col 2:12; Heb 6:2; 1 Pet 3:21

Thanks for the scripture references!!

But would you please tell me in your own words, a summary of what you believe is a “biblical baptism”…how is a biblical baptism conducted?

And any SDA can please feel free to jump in and tell us what is involved in a “biblical baptism”. Shouldn’t be too difficult because you most likely have witnessed people being baptized in the SDA church…and most likely remember your own baptism into the SDA church.

Thanks!

God bless all!!!

 

[djconklin]

I don’t know what kind of a bible you are quoting from, but this is what mine says:

" I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, "

I sue a wide variety of transaltion backed up by reading it in the origianl Greek (for the NT; Hebrew for the OT)

I called Batchelor a flim-flam man because thats what he is, he not only steals mens money,

Got proof? Where you there? Did you see him put money into his pocket? Got pics? What does the Bible say about bearing false witness against your neighbor?

but he steals their souls.

Got proof? How do you know? Where you there on the judgment day?

and that is my opinon, so sue me!

Make up your mind; either he really did steal money (in which case we want to see the proof) or he didn’t (in which case why should anyone care about an empty opinion?)

 

[djconklin]

What does the Bible say?

Matt 3:1, 7; 11:11f; 14:2, 8; 16:14; 17:13; 20:22f; 21:25; Mark 1:4; 6:14, 24f; 8:28; 10:38f; 11:30; Luke 3:3; 7:20, 28f, 33; 9:19; 12:50; 20:4; Acts 1:22; 10:37; 13:24; 18:25; 19:3f; Rom 6:4; Eph 4:5; Col 2:12; Heb 6:2; 1 Pet 3:21

Thanks for the scripture references!!

You are more than welcome.

But would you please tell me in your own words, a summary of what you believe is a “biblical baptism”…how is a biblical baptism conducted?

The Bereans were more noble because they checked Scripture, not what someone said in their own words.