Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

[happilycatholic]

The Bible is quite clear: the seventh day of the wekk is God’s holy Sabbath day and He calls you apart from your secular work to rest in Him and worship Him on that day. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any one person’s opinion, period.

Where on earth does it say, "he calls you apart from “your secular work” to rest in him??? I believe it refers to work that involves creation. Do you refrain from ALL work in which something is created? If not, then you invalidate the very thing you are trying to keep. Again you know little of keeping the Sabbath. You know how a Christian who wants to set himself apart claims to keep the Sabbath.Because keeping the Sabbath in Scriptures is a lot different than what you are doing.

You are not keeping the Sabbath by simply worshipping on Saturday and not going to work at a job. I do that on Saturday too. So does every catholic who wishes to do so. This does not set you apart from other Christians.

 

[happilycatholic]

The punch line for that cheap-shot type remark is “which leg?”

Which post?

The one where you referred to Jews as “the race that killed Jesus”. I’m sure that found favor with Jesus who was the greatest Jew who ever lived. You’ve called his race murderers. Nice going.

Why thank you!​

Still haven’t learned how to use the quote command?

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

The Bereans were more noble because they checked Scripture, not what someone said in their own words.

Oh come on now…you know every man will be called to give an account of what he believes and why…but if you don’t want to describe a biblical baptism for all to read, I will respect that.

If any other SDA would like to describe a biblical baptism and what that is to you and how you know it is so, and can share that with the rest of us, that would be appreciated.

It cannot be that difficult for at least one of you.

Thanks!

God bless all!!!

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

I sue a wide variety of transaltion backed up by reading it in the origianl Greek (for the NT; Hebrew for the OT)

Do you really read the the original Greek and understand it?

God bless all!!!

 

[BibleTruth]

No you came off in your post as bearing bad fruits. Knowing if someone has been baptised properly or not is not your right. It’s God’s. You are bearing bad fruits.

And it’s funny that the passage you quote comes from the part of the Sermon that Jesus is teaching them about judgement of others:

Judge not, that you may not be judged, 2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

You know Bible Truth, I am perfectly fine to go back and forth all day long about the different ways in which we serve our Lord and even some of the things we think are outside Scriptural teaching with concern to our Church Fathers and leaders, but in the end I would never tell someone that their baptism wasn’t valid. I certainly wouldn’t insinuate that they belived the Bible a work of Satan in an attempt to glance over my own sin of judgement.

But apparently you are under the impression that you as an Seventh-Day Adventist know each and every individual and how they were baptized and if that baptism was valid according to YOUR divine interpretation of the Bible.

Sad really.

I like how you’ve taken one thing that I’ve stated and have used it to ignore everything else. Yes, I wrote that the Catholic church’s form of baptism is invalid and I’m not making any apologies for that because that’s what I believe. I didn’t judge whether or not you, personally, had faith in Jesus Christ. The reality is that biblical baptism does not mean sprinkling water on a baby’s head. If that were the case, anyone could adopt any practice and say that God has sanctioned it but that’s not the case. It’s already been shown here what the Bible constitutes as true baptism…complete immersion under water.

But truthfully, I don’t believe that baptism, in and of itself, is not what gets us to heaven…it’s only faith that does that. For example, the criminal on the cross never had an opportunity to be baptized…his faith is what saved him. But when you get your head sprinkled as a child and then ignore essential biblical truths for the rest of your life, willingly breaking God’s commandments, then God will judge you on that; He certainly doesn’t need my help. Revelation 22:12 says that Jesus will give to everyone according to what he has done.

Now you say that I’m coming off in my posts as bearing bad fruit but I can only suspect you’re saying this because of this one issue. If you go back through things that I’ve said, I’ve avoided the personal attacks on anyone in particular. As I’ve written, I love everyone, including you, and I’ve been praying for all of us in this forum. Like God, I love the sinner but hate the sin. So, yes, I believe that the Catholic church system (and not the sincere Christians in it) is not of God and represents the spiritual Babylon of Revelation. But as I’ve stated before, God is calling His people out of that system.

Understand that Seventh-day Adventists are not excluded from this call…it is for everyone! Just because someone may belong to the Seventh-day Adventist church does not make them automatically holy. Many of “us” are still holding onto Babylonian practices so God is calling us out as well. I firmly believe that He has called this body of believers, with a specific message for a specific purpose and specifically in the times in which we’ve been living since 1844. But again, that only means that we have a higher standard to live up to because we’re carrying His message of Truth! Luke 12:48 (NIV), “From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked”. Please look at the context of that entire passage starting in verse 35 and see if you can fit it into the times in which we’re living now.

So, I’m sorry if I offended you, personally, because that by no means is my intent or reason for being here. With that said, I don’t apologize for anything I’ve said against the Catholic church because any system that makes the claims that they have is not of the living God of heaven.

Why have you chosen to ignore all of the blasphemous things stated by the Catholic church and instead, have closed in on one statement that I’ve made?

 

[happilycatholic]

Uness you are a trained psychiatrist and have had in-depth therapy sessions with both* your name-calling is highly uncalled for and contrary to the etchings of Jesus:

Matthew 5:22 … whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

• And if you did, you’d know enough not to reveal your diagnosis on the web.

That’s the secular name for the day; the biblical name (and the only one that counts for Christians) is Sabbath.

I** do not have to be a trained psychiatrist to discern whether to follow someone who is seeing things that are not there and contridict scripture. I would supposed if EGW had been taken over by the Spirit, her “visions” would have been inline with Scripture, but they are not and so I can only discern that they are delusions.** **Delusion: **A false belief or opinion. And the fact that Doug does the same thing and gets money for it tells me he’s got a bit of an ego and the things he says makes him sound like he’s got an excessive enthusiasm for anything anticatholic. Maniac: A person who has an excessive enthusiasm or desire for something: a sports maniac.

 

[BibleTruth]

Without scriptual references for your belief?, but The SDA’s have a scripture for everything? At least that’s what an SDA has told me…they believe in the Bible period!
So, I want to see your bible references, and the official line of the SDA.

I know you won’t have any problem pulling out your pre-selected verses to back your position on the Saturday worship thing… Doug Batchelor has infered that since Sunday is named after the Roman God of the Sun, that those who worship on Sunday worship the pagan God. But What he didn’t say is that Saturday is named after the Roman God Saturn, so shouldn’t we also infer that those who worship on Saturday worship the God Saturn?..You need to listen to what con men like batchelor don’t say as well as what they do.

I worship on the Sabbath and do my best, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to keep it holy as I try to do for myself every day of the week. I can’t help that the seventh day was named Saturday after the planet Saturn. Why do you worship on Sunday? Your church even claims that there’s nothing to support it in the Bible. I’ve listened to Doug Batchelor quite a bit and if you’re only concerned about what he says, you’re far behind the curve. There is an army of people who are sharing this very same truth all over the world.

If you want to pick apart what I said about my personal belief on whether or not God will have mercy on children then feel free. I don’t know for sure how God will judge an infant who is still-born or a baby that is aborted or someone with mental illness that can’t do for themselves. There’s nothing to fully support it in the Bible, one way or another. If there is, please share with me. What I do know is what the Bible says…and that we’ll all be judged according to what we’ve done. It’s difficult for me to accept that anyone in those circumstances will have had any opportunity, save the fact that they’re born into sin, to disobey God. That’s the only biblical reference I can cite to answer you.

Now that I’ve done so, I invite you to answer the Sabbath issue and address what your church says about it in contrast to what the Bible says.

 

[BibleTruth]

Men like Batchelor are nothing more that Flim-Flam artists who twist the truth to trap unsuspecting people who are trying to find God.

Case in point: Batchelor goes to great lengths quoting scripture after scripture to prove that the seventh day of the week was and is the Sabbath. He then uses these verses to “prove” that when St John wrote in the book of Revelation about being in the “spirit on the Lord’s day” that since John was a Jew the “Lord’s day” could not have meant any other day but the Sabbath, or Saturday… But, if you stop and think about it. With the many verses in the bible that state that Saturday is the Sabbath, and John being a Jew wouldn’t he have said “being in the spirit on the Sabbath” if that is what he meant??? Rather, wouldn’t we have to infer, John being a Jew, and Saturday being referred to over and over again in the scriptures as the Sabbath that when he said, “Being in the spirit on the Lord’s day” he had to mean some other day than the Sabbath?? You can argue that the "lord’s day may not mean Sunday, but it definitely can’t be Saturday…Listen to what men preach carefully.

Using this logic, why wouldn’t John say everything in plain language and not use signs and symbols in the entire book of Revelation?

Exodus 20:10: “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God.” Wait whose…? The LORD thy God!

God only named one day of the week. Check your Bible for reference on that, please.

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

It’s already been shown here what the Bible constitutes as true baptism…complete immersion under water.

Hi Andrew,

So am I correct in my understanding of what you say…that a true biblical baptism is complete immersion under water? So does it count if a Catholic goes swimming or dives under water? (and that question is merely to get you to clarify a biblical baptism, not to be sarcastic)

God bless all!!!

 

[BibleTruth]

You are treading on risky ground. Be careful.

Ah…now we’ve gotten to the root of these issues. What we’re discussing are the two institutions that God established, but Satan has vigorously attacked…marriage and the Sabbath!

 

[andrea3710]

Hi Andrea (were you here before under the name Arglaze?..that will be a real test of honesty),

I really do not what do you mean about this “test of honesty”?! Are you assuming that I would hide myself behind another person’s name or that I would give false testimony.I do not know what kind of people are you socializing with that you are so suspicious but I do not have any desire to hide or to lie because that would be breaking God’s law. I have no problems with honesty for God’s law is in my heart and mind. I love my God so much that I do not intend to give any false statements.I have never been on this website before and never been using any other name other than this here…Are you satisfied with my answer?

Patrick so far none of you here gave me any scriptural verses that would show the firm grounds you and doctrines of your church are standing on. I had friends who were searching for things in their life never actually knowing what they were searching for. They went from one church to another. Finally they got lost,lost all the blessings,their families,my dad’s friend lost his daughter (she is dead) and now He wants to come back saying that he was wrong…Where you had been before and where you left after has no merits.People are not to be trusted when it comes to their faith,they are no measure of it-I have here a video link here,it shows how much people are to be trusted ( this men here has his followers too one would not believe people can be that naive but they are,they cannot be convinced that they believe in lie-

)…Judas was one of the apostles and we all know what happened…He never understood the whole point…Peter denied Jesus three times and was called Satan by Jesus…Not to mention the whole Israel who had clear signs but they never understood them…so people are not to be trusted for they tend to fail that is why we have Bible to rely on.
So please do not come with that where you were and where you went and where you will go…you still never supported or showed me any Bible verses that support your views or refute mine ,if I followed people I would not go too far…
There are also those who leave Catholic church and come to SDA church,among one of them is prof.Walter Veith, man who did research on many religions…I already gave links here so those willing can check them out but it looks like it takes the brave ones to do that. It strikes me that one who knew the doctrines of the last days does not see what is happening today. How long have you been SDA anyway?

You say you are not lobbying for the Seventh-day Adventist church, or any church…and yet if I tell you that I did all of the things above which you call people to do, and that led me to the Catholic Church…will you accept that, or will you continue to accuse those who worship the Creator and Redeemer God of Heaven on Sunday (or any day other than saturday), of worshipping Satan?

It appears from all you have shared that there is no choice, in your opinion, to follow God unless you worship on saturday. And that leaves few options available except for the SDA church.

So according to Andrea and those SDAs who agree with her, it seems that all you Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, all Orthodox, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Presberterians, Assemblies of God, Churches of God, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Fundamentalists, and every other group of believers who profess Jesus Christ, but have been worshipping on Sunday, The day of the sun god Lucifer…have been worshipping in vain and your worship and prayers to Jesus Christ are not really going to Jesus Christ or God, but in reality, we have all been deceived and have been worshipping Satan.

Whatever I wrote in my previous post were not my words but words of Bible and God Himself so I would be careful in my statements if I were you and yet you failed to give me verses that disapprove verses I gave…

If a person studies their Bible, prays to God and to Jesus Christ, and is led to a church or conclusion other that what Andrea and the SDAs believe…than that personal experience is invalid, illegitimate, and a deception by and tribute to Satan.

I would add here not only what I believe here or SDA’s but Apostles and Jesus too. We were all and still are Sabbath keepers except Apostles who sleep and wait Jesus to return. I showed to all from the Bible where David is,He is not in heaven nor he is not in hell,he is dead,sleeps until Jesus returns. So there is no heaven after death…unless one calls Apostles liars. Do you need more? How much more?

It appears from all you have shared that there is no choice, in your opinion, to follow God unless you worship on saturday. And that leaves few options available except for the SDA church.

Patrick,if you remember people died for not observing Sabbath in the past. They died for other reasons too like touching the Ark… Are you judging God and question His judgments? You are again missing the whole point I was trying to present and hardening your heart on what I say and what Bible says.
What is the greatest problem for following God,is His cross too heavy for some,many find it to hard to self sacrifice themselves and their desires…
We see ecumenical groups,people of many religious organizations,even those who do not accept Christ are among Christians. What does one have in common with the other? Do we remember words in Bible what kind of communion are we to have with those who do not believe in Christ but follow other gods? That is not enough for you,how much more do you need for that thick wall to be shattered for you? Again to those who need words that I already wrote before to be repeated.It does not say in the Bible that SDA members are the ones saved-did I ever say they are the ones saved? Only those who keep the commandments of God (not of men but God) and keep faith of Jesus are the ones who will be saved so I do not see who excludes you other than yourself?

Am I the only one seeing the conclusions being made here by the SDAs, or am I just reading what they are saying incorrectly?

I gave you many Bible verses. Bible does not lie,Patrick.

Greetings

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
The Bible is quite clear: the seventh day of the wekk is God’s holy Sabbath day and He calls you apart from your secular work to rest in Him and worship Him on that day. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any one person’s opinion, period.

Where on earth does it say, "he calls you apart from “your secular work” to rest in him???

Exodus 20:8-10 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Do you refrain from ALL work in which something is created?

Too narrow a definition of work, but yes.

Again you know little of keeping the Sabbath.

Haven’t seen any proof to support that claim.

Because keeping the Sabbath in Scriptures is a lot different than what you are doing.

Haven’t seen any proof for that claim.

You are not keeping the Sabbath by simply worshipping on Saturday and not going to work at a job.

Haven’t seen any proof for that claim.

This does not set you apart from other Christians.

That’s not the goal.

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
I use a wide variety of transaltion backed up by reading it in the origianl Greek (for the NT; Hebrew for the OT).[fixed a misspelling]

Do you really read the the original Greek and understand it?

Yes. For instance there is no Greek support for using the word “what” in Col. 2:16. In Col. 2:16 the Greek reads “en merei” (“in respect of” in the KJV) which in today’s English means “in that part of” or simply “on.” You will see many people claming that Paul is saying that no one is to judge anyone else about keeping the Sabbath in this verse–the point is no judging about “eating and drinking” ON the days that are then mentioned.

 

[djconklin]

So does it count if a Catholic goes swimming or dives under water? (and that question is merely to get you to clarify a biblical baptism, not to be sarcastic)

Want to get in a ground floor oportunity to own your very own bridge?

 

[andrea3710]

Originally Posted by djconklin View Post
There are laws on the books about slander and unless you send money directly to Doug Batchelor he doesn’t benefit from it–so this runs counter to how flim-flam artists work.

First that is not true the second if you like to discuss the money then I can give you great examples. First we should mention indulgences that church required of people to pay for their sins. Second I will tell you what my best friend who is raised Catholic but find it repulsive what church does to people and does not go to church anymore…Every year priests go from home to home and bless houses for money of course not for peanuts but for money. Two years ago priest sent his son to collect the money. His son has expensive cars and motorbike and such. I better not continue with examples that appear in our newspapers lately. If anyone likes me to I will try to find newspaper texts who write about these things…I can also talk about things former priest has to say.

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
Uness you are a trained psychiatrist and have had in-depth therapy sessions with both* your name-calling is highly uncalled for and contrary to the teachings of Jesus: [fixed a misspelling]

Matthew 5:22 … whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

• And if you did, you’d know enough not to reveal your diagnosis on the web.

That’s the secular name for the day; the biblical name (and the only one that counts for Christians) is Sabbath.

I do not have to be a trained psychiatrist to discern whether to follow someone who is seeing things that are not there

The people who were there knew that she was in a vision.

and contridict scripture.

Not yet proven–dismissed 53 times so far.

so I can only discern that they are delusions.

Or, you are the one who is deluded. Always leave all options open.

And the fact that Doug does the same thing

I’ve never heard of Doug Batchelor having a vision.

and gets money for it

Do you get paid for your work?

tells me he’s got a bit of an ego

According to what criteria? Who made that criteria?

he’s got an excessive enthusiasm for anything anticatholic.

Since he doesn’t have that, that kind of shots your claim in the foot.

 

[greggy53]

I sue a wide variety of transaltion backed up by reading it in the origianl Greek (for the NT; Hebrew for the OT)

Got proof? Where you there? Did you see him put money into his pocket? Got pics? What does the Bible say about bearing false witness against your neighbor?

Got proof? How do you know? Where you there on the judgment day?

Make up your mind; either he really did steal money (in which case we want to see the proof) or he didn’t (in which case why should anyone care about an empty opinion?)

I use the Duey Rhymes bible which is the oldest translation of the scripture in the world. St Jerome first translated the greek and hebrew texts in the 4th century. Your bible was put together by a heretical german priest in the 15th century.

Every claim I made about what Batchelor said can be found on line. An SDA asked me to watch his so-called seminars on “amazing facts.com” I stand by enerything I said he said. The half-truthes, inferences and out right lies he’s spewed out about God’s Church are there to see. He claims that Christians didn’t start worshiping on Sunday until the 4th century, but offers no evidence whatsoever to back his claim. (Whereas Catholics have the writings of 1st and 2nd century Christians, and the new testament to back our claim). He makes the claim that Constantine’s vision was false, his conversion false, but offers no evidence to support the claim! He does this kind of hack job consistantly in every so-called lecture.
The problem with the SDA bunch is that they can’t stand on their own beliefs. They have to bash the Catholics in order to give any meaning to their heresies.

 

[greggy53]

Using this logic, why wouldn’t John say everything in plain language and not use signs and symbols in the entire book of Revelation?

Exodus 20:10: “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God.” Wait whose…? The LORD thy God!

God only named one day of the week. Check your Bible for reference on that, please.

Regardless of any sybolism in his vision John was using plain language in that scripture. That is for certain, and logic, and reason tell us he wasn’t refering to Saturday!

Any way Jesus said that he WAS the Sabbath…I take him at his word…and so should you.

 

[greggy53]

The Sabbath vs Sunday worship thing can be wrapped up pretty easily. The vast majority of Christian churches recognize Sunday as the proper worship day for Christians. The SDA insisting on Saturday worship as the only right way reminds me of something my sainted mother once told me. She said “If ten men tell you you are drunk, you had better go lay down.” It’s time for the SDA to sleep it off!

 

[BibleTruth]

(Whereas Catholics have the writings of 1st and 2nd century Christians, and the new testament to back our claim).

Where in the Bible does it say that Sunday is the new holy day or that’s the “official” day of worship?

I hope you have other references besides John 20:19, 1 Corinthians 16:2 & Acts 20:7 because none of them support your claims if you study them carefully.