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greggy53
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Is it so funny?. Or do you know it to be true and have no legitimate rebuttal?“Bunk”…too funny!!!
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greggy53
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This is how the SDA spread their malicous lies. Most people don’t understand that in the 4th century less than 10 % of the entire polulation of the world could read and write Greek. So, in order that more people could read the scriptures they were assembled by the Catholic church and translated in to the Latin vulgate. It took 10 years for one monk to make one copy of the Bible back in those days, so making copies of the Bible available to the general public was impossible. The SDA leaders won’t tell you that. They won’t tell you that the Bible they wave in the air came from a Catholic Bible. These people brainwash their victims, most of whom are only trying to get closer to God. I believe that people get sucked into these cults wanting to belong to a close knit group. Many have been alienated by larger churches, and/ or have had little or no Christian teaching. They are lost, and people like Batchelor take advantage of them by catering to their fears. They create the “boogie” man in the form of the Pope, and then convince their victims that only they have the right answers.
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Patrick_Murebil
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Would you please read this and share your thoughts with me on what it says? Thanks!!
αμαθεστατε και κακε, αφες τον παλαιον, μη μεταποιει
God bless all!!!
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Patrick_Murebil
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Hi Andrew,Hey Patrick,
According to the Bible…yes (in answer to the first question).
Acts 2:38 says that we should be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. So if someone is swimming for recreation, I wouldn’t consider that in the name context of being baptized for the cleansing of their sins.
I mean, taking a shower sprinkles water on your head, but I don’t imagine you take that as being baptized. Ok, so I thought to add a bit of levity to our discussion.
Andrew
LOL…no I don’t consider swimming or taking a shower to be a biblical baptism…if that were the case I would imagine everyone in the world would be a Christian by now…lol
I read above that you have now added another “condition” to a biblical baptism…that being being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
So now, and correct me if I’m wrong…you see a biblical baptism consisting of full immersion in water, AND, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Anything else? Or is that it?
Thanks!
God bless all!!!
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BibleTruth
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Gabriel of 12:
Again (for the third time now)…
"We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible, we have the living Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church instituted by Christ, to teach and guide men through life, has the right to change Ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, “yes”, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws.The Catholic Extension Magazine (Under the Blessing of Pope Pius XII) 1954. The fact that the church makes its own laws indicates it’s not always following God’s laws.
Matthew 4:4: Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” This does not say every word that comes out of the Catholic church.
Revelation 12 reveals that God’s true “church” would be in the wilderness (in obscurity) for 1260 years. This time period was from 538 - 1798 AD and once it would emerge back on the scene, it would be known by the fact that it kept God’s commandments and had the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 12:14, 17: 19:10). Understand that this true “church” is a “remnant”…meaning something left over from the original.
By the way, where do you see “Catholic” church in the Bible? What’s your basis for claiming to be God’s true church?
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BibleTruth
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I didn’t add it…that’s what the Bible says.
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BibleTruth
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I think most everyone who knows something about the history of the Bible knows it was assembled by Catholics. That doesn’t grant any authority over it. God used many people, not always His own, to do His work. He even used Muslims to inflict punishment on Catholics.
Define “cult”, please. Once you do, you may find that your church fits the description and not mine. My beliefs are rooted in the word of God. Before accusing anyone of brainwashing you should check your own beliefs to see what they’re rooted in.
I’m glad that you’re only focusing on Doug Batchelor because while you do, you’re missing the dozens of others with the same message; a message that comes from the Bible.
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Patrick_Murebil
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Here is an excellent article on “Vicarius Filii Dei” and how the Adventist scholars and church are beginning to discard their former use and interpreation of the term.
An excellent article!!
diesdomini.com/Papers/Q_Prophecy_666VFD.pdf
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Patrick_Murebil
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Yes I understand…I only meant by “add” that you did not include that in your first response as to what a biblical baptism included. Initially you only referrenced full imersion, and then in that second post you “added” to that by including baptizing in the name of Jesus Christ.
So are those the two criteria, in your opinion, for a Biblical baptism?
Thanks!
God bless all!!!
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Where do you see God leaving it up to the individual to determine the truth of Him in the Bible? When God called the Jews to be His People from all the other peoples, He gave them orders of liturgy and priests in order for men to be consistant in their proper honor and worship. Those who professed the Jewish faith did not argue this authority though they often fell away as the OT records. Jesus did the same upon the completion of His ministry- instituting new liturgy and priests that He promised to protect. What is your basis for doubting that while still claiming to follow Him?
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BibleTruth
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Check your history on the official name. The fact is that there’s been an attempt to hide it from you.
With that said however, the number 666 has another origin. It started in Babylonia, on the plains of Shinar, where the people studied the mystery religion of astrology and built the Tower of Babel as a result. The chart they used to predict future events had a numbering system where, in every direction, the numbers added up to 111. There were six rows and six columns and when you totaled them up in either direction and added them all together, it resulted in the number 666.
This mystery religion has been the foundation for all of the pagan empires that held influence over God’s people (Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece & Rome). In Revelation 17, it’s in the forehead of the Great Whore because it’s embedded in her way of thinking. This is how paganism has seeped its way into the Christian church and is why many worship on SUNday. It’s just another throw-back to the mystery religion of astrology…something that God forbids in the Bible. Have you consulted your “horror-scope” lately? This is just one of the many “abominations of the earth” or false doctrines that currently exist in the Christian church as a result of this pagan religion.
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greggy53
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The Catholic Church had, and has the sole authority to interpret the Bible. The Catholic church decided what was and wasn’t scripture to begin with. The Chuch came first, not the Bible. Jesus, before he ascended established his church, not the Bible. That Church, the Catholic church has the authority, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave the church this authority saying; “Whatsoever you bind on earth is bound in heaven.” This is the authority given by God directly to his Church. Your church does not have this, nor do any of the other 25 thousand protestant denominations, sects, and / or cults. you can wave your Bible around all you want. We don’t recognize your authority to teach it.
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Patrick_Murebil
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Thank you HC for posting this.
This clearly shows that the apostles and believers considered the first day of the week, The Lord’s Day…long before Constantine did his thing that the SDAs always point out.
It is interesting that they try to minimalize this early observance of the first day of the week, The Lord’s Day, in honor of the resurrection so early on…and yet keep insisting that as late as the 5th century there were those who still observed the sabbath.
We have evidence that as late as the 21st century there are those who still observe the sabbath…we are talking with them!
But this is an excellent document that shows not only their observance of The Lord’s Day, but also the celebration of The Lord’s Supper (Mass and the sacrament of The Echuarist), as well as The Sacrament of Reconcilliation (their confessions and preparation for The Lord’s Supper).
Oh and by the way…here is the scripture that supports the need for the Church’s teaching after the resurrection, and the assurance that The Holy Spirit would be leading The Church in its mission from that time forward until Jesus returns again.
Jesus said John 16:12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.
John 21:24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true. 25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
And this is the teaching He entrusted to His Church under the guidance of The Holy Spirit, through the unbroken line of His ordained Apostles/Bishops.
God bless all!!!
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Patrick_Murebil
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BibleTruth
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Please show me where the Catholic church has sole authority to interpret the Bible.
When Jesus cited the Old Testament Scriptures, the Catholic church was not around. When the New Testament writers wrote their gospels, letters and epistles, the Catholic church was not around. The church came afterward and assembled the books to form the Canon of Scripture. I believe this work was indeed influenced by the Holy Spirit because many books were omitted that were in conflict with the 66 books that were selected. That does not give authority over what was written by the men whose thoughts were led by the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, as was prophesied, other men came and corrupted the intent of the Bible for their own gain (or more specifically, in support of Satan’s motives).
I don’t want to belong to a church that claims authority over God’s word because we are subject to it. Wanting to have authority over it was Lucifer’s problem and why he was expelled from heaven.
The passage in Matthew 18 that you’re eluding to has nothing to do with authority over God’s word. Read the entire passage to understand the full context. It has to do with a wayward member and how to deal with the conflict they’re bringing into the church. If the resolution is in line with God’s word, then heaven will support what the church determines after going through the outlined process as described in this chapter.
Do you honestly think that the Creator of all things will capitulate to what His creation…one who is born into sin and corruption…determines? Talk about brainwashed!!!
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happilycatholic
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Thank you HC for posting this.
This clearly shows that the apostles and believers considered the first day of the week, The Lord’s Day…long before Constantine did his thing that the SDAs always point out.
It is interesting that they try to minimalize this early observance of the first day of the week, The Lord’s Day, in honor of the resurrection so early on…and yet keep insisting that as late as the 5th century there were those who still observed the sabbath.
We have evidence that as late as the 21st century there are those who still observe the sabbath…we are talking with them!
But this is an excellent document that shows not only their observance of The Lord’s Day, but also the celebration of The Lord’s Supper (Mass and the sacrament of The Echuarist), as well as The Sacrament of Reconcilliation (their confessions and preparation for The Lord’s Supper).
Oh and by the way…here is the scripture that supports the need for the Church’s teaching after the resurrection, and the assurance that The Holy Spirit would be leading The Church in its mission from that time forward until Jesus returns again.
Jesus said John 16:12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.
John 21:24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true. 25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
And this is the teaching He entrusted to His Church under the guidance of The Holy Spirit, through the unbroken line of His ordained Apostles/Bishops.
God bless all!!!
You are welcome.
But when I did there was only one pathetic response to one of the quotes attributed to Barnabas they don’t believe was written by Barnabas.
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Patrick_Murebil
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Hi Soutane,
That is interesting that her name, her actual name, not her title adds up to 666…
But don’t get anyone banned from here yet or have this thread closed yet. I still want to share my thoughts regarding my resolution of the sabbath/sunday issure when I decided to convert from Adventism to Catholicism.
Besides, the SDAs are letting their thoughts and ideas about Catholicsim out completely here on this thread, which will make this thread a very valuabe resource in the future. When a local SDA church hosts a seminar in any town, refer your Catholic friends to this thread and let them see what will be presented in those seminars. What you are reading is their message, their good news, their gospel…it doesn’t change from what they are saying here.
You don’t get the information they are presenting here until well into their seminars…and they are putting it out there right now for all to see and read. A valuable resource indeed!
God bless all!!!
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BibleTruth
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Patrick,
What I said had nothing to do with 666 being attributed to “VFD” but thanks anyway. As I stated, its much deeper than that.
Andrew
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BibleTruth
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I read on a Catholic website that they acknowledge not knowing the author of that passage. Are you taking that issue up with them as well?You are welcome.
But when I did there was only one pathetic response to one of the quotes attributed to Barnabas they don’t believe was written by Barnabas.
You never responded to the Jew/Gentile issue.
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Patrick_Murebil
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John 20:21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Matthew 16:17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.
The Church doesn’t claim authority…The Church was given authority by Jesus Christ.
God bless all!!!
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