Down With Sex

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777:
If there was no sex to begin with, there’d be no porn in the first place.
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As I continue to read your remarks my friend, a burning question runs through my mind and I hope you don’t mind me asking.

Have you been abused sexually? If you have, it is ok to talk about it here. It’s safe to empty the burden.

You seem to have the weight of the world on your shoulders and I hope you don’t mind if I say a prayer for you that God give you peace. I will also pray that God give you the strength to seek out the help that you need if anyone has violated your dignity.

God Bless
 
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cynic:
that’s exactly what it is - giving in to desire and a primitive form of intimacy while we’re on the earth. Believing what you do - that it is only justified through it’s reproductive function - is hardly different than believing sex is evil. What is neccesarily wrong with giving into our desires? How can you on one hand describe such desires as fundamently selfish (so what if they are), while on the other acknowledge that is is neccessary to have such desires for reproduction. Sex is not a ‘means’ and many couples - catholic or otherwise’ - might be quite insulted by this description, becaues it turns something most of us weak minded people like for it’s own sake, into a mere means to an end (even if it’s sugared up with the lip service to unity). We like our spouses - it isn’t always about the worship of God. Why should it be?

If pleasure is wrong then you need to be honest and just come right out and say it. Contraception isn’t the point - i just hate this attitude- that marriage exist soley for a function, not for us, and that we in turn exist for the sole function of glorifying our creator - in everything, nothing is good on it’s own. ‘We’ become the means to an end - our moments on the earth pointless if not always for a goal. It’s repressed, holier than thou stuff, and yeah those are words liberals use…
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Im not sure if you’re making sense. Did you come up with this on your own? and if you did how do you know that your right on this.
 
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cecelia:
You can’t make sex objectively evil because you may have had a bad experience with sex. And why did you? Not that I’m being presumptuous, but maybe you weren’t using sex the way God intended, and even if you did,but something still bad happened, that doesn’t not make sex evil.QUOTE]

No I didn’t, but I wouldn’t have sex, in or out of marriage. And even if I was married, me and my wife would never have sex @ all. Also, there would be no harlots and no gay and lesbians if sex never existed.
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And on another positive note…your genes won’t be passed on 🙂
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How can getting rid of naked sex be against the teachings of our heavenly father and the church? Besides, what’s so important 'bout nudity in sex?
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Well, it can be stimulating in a way. With everyone getting naked as much as possible, we may as well start putting coats on for sex for some allure. :rolleyes:
Even if me and/or my wife were impotent? There have been couples that have been unable to have a child, especially if the woman is unable to have children. That sort of thing.
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Impotent can’t marry. Infertile isn’t a problem unless there’s a lie involved in the process.
 
Down with sex?? Hmmm.

May I suggest reading Love and Responsibility by some guy you mighta heard of??

How 'bout any book by Christopher West, breaking down about four years of sermons on sexuality given by some guy you mighta heard of???

Anyway, God created…and pronouced all to be very good.

Sex is good. The body, created male, and female, is good.

The problem we have in our fallen state is that we (many) abondon God’s meaning and purpose He assigned to sex and marriage. Sex viewed in the context of God’s love for us (and ours of Him) is far different from the context of loving worldly pleasure for just for pleasures sake.
 
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777:
Just the same, if sex in of marriage didn’t exist, there’d be no sex out of marriage, and no evil to that effect. So destroy the source, and you destroy the evil, that sort of thing. So DOWN WITH ALL SEX!! In or out of marriage. DEATH TO SEX!!
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Speak for yourself. My wife and I are going to continue enjoying each other, kids or no kids.
 
This is sort of like saying, murder is bad, people murder people, so DOWN WITH PEOPLE.

God didn’t make people to kill, so since people kill, there should be no people.

Doesn’t make any more or less sense than your arguement.

BTW 777, why did you change your arguement from no sex to no nudity? Having a problem keeping it all straight? 😃
 
Did it say how?
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Yup, built it right into our biology, in fact. God was SO adamant about how that He didn’t even risk putting it down as words; He used our bodies to show us so that there was no chance for error, and we developed homosexuality just to spite even THAT.

Look at your body honestly and tell me it doesn’t show and tell you how to procreate.
 
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cynic:
again and again catholics insist that sex is tied to reproduction. It isn’t, at least not in our minds. The desire to have sex is not the desire to reproduce. But talking as if it were is a neat way of de-sexualising sex, turning it into something pure and functional. But couples do not have sex to reproduce, they have it because they want to, reproduction is the result, not the the stimuli, so how can reproduction be an inseparable part of intimacy if it’s the last thing going through (normal) peoples minds - and even religiouse prudes minds if they were being honest? And how can an end result make something clean that would otherwise be regarded as sin (if reproduction was not the result)? The arousal is the same - some measure of objectification of the other in the mind is still required for arousal to even be possible… even if in the case of marriage it is accompanied by an appreciation of the whole person…
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Cynic,

I’ve read your posts before, and you don’t seem to fully understand the Catholic teaching on sexuality. It is not all about reproduction and it is not all about pleasure. It’s about both.

Sex is good because it can produce little babies AND it bonds husband and wife AND it feels good.

Moreover, just because it feels good doesn’t mean it’s selfish. Married couples don’t just use each other for sex.

You’ve brought up on several ocassions that couples don’t think about children or God while they are having sex. Are you sure that’s true for every person? I’m pretty sure it’s not. I think about children and God often when I look at my fiance or give him a hug. I don’t think I would be able to turn that off in the bedroom, especially if I knew the result could be our child. I have no desire to keep God out of my sex life when I’m married. He gave us the incredible gift, why shut Him out while experiencing it?

God bless.
 
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cynic:
. Believing what you do - that it is only justified through it’s reproductive function - is hardly different than believing sex is evil. What is neccesarily wrong with giving into our desires?
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I don’t think you really grasp the Catholic understanding of sex. Sex is not “only justified” by it’s reproductive function - after all, an older couple past childbearing can and should still have sex. It does have that function, however, and to attempt to frustrate the innate reproductive potential of a particular act is what is wrong and selfish - not because sex is only justified by reproduction, but because doing so defies God and His design. It takes a healthy, natural process designed by God and “breaks” it, so to speak.
If pleasure is wrong then you need to be honest and just come right out and say it.
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Pleasure isn’t wrong in and of itself. However, the pursuit of pleasure leads plently of people into sin. Pleasure should never be put ahead of God.
i just hate this attitude- that marriage exist soley for a function, not for us, and that we in turn exist for the sole function of glorifying our creator - in everything, nothing is good on it’s own.
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Dangerous ground - I think this is where Lucifer went astray.
However, it’s a misconception. God didn’t make us “to glorify himself” in some sort of massive egotism, but out of love. He loves us, for our own sake. He created us and holds us in existence out of love, so we can love and be loved - which is the only thing that can fulfill us. To love God is the most perfect joy imaginable.
 
No offense, but this may be one of the dumbest statements ever concoted. Sex is NOT evil. Sex is holy. It is God’s gift to mankind, one of His greatest besides for Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and forgiveness. It is the way people use it that is bad. Nowadays, sex is losing its veiw of love. The only people whom it is a sign of love for are Christians and certain groups of other religious people. Most people consider it a sign of lust. God meant for us to enjoy sex, and Satan has twisted that enjoyment into a dirty “pleasurefest” which is more about one person and the beaty of another. So sex is not evil.
And just how do you expect to keep the human race from dying out? Anyways, this will never work because that is not how people will die. they will either be raptured or killed by Satan/the Beast/Antichrist in the end times.
 
777 has some issues. Either he/she is just stirring the pot with audacious posts, or as someone else implied, he/she has been carrying some serious weight on his/her shoulders. This thread is skewing off of the original complaint which was “down with sex”, but then (at 777’s doing) morphed into “down with nudity”, and now there is no more worthwhile (name removed by moderator)ut from the autor of the complaint… I’m done here with this one.

Peace,
Gordon
 
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Chazemataz:
No offense, but this may be one of the dumbest statements ever concoted. Sex is NOT evil. Sex is holy. It is God’s gift to mankind, one of His greatest besides for Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and forgiveness. It is the way people use it that is bad. Nowadays, sex is losing its veiw of love. The only people whom it is a sign of love for are Christians and certain groups of other religious people. Most people consider it a sign of lust. God meant for us to enjoy sex, and Satan has twisted that enjoyment into a dirty “pleasurefest” which is more about one person and the beaty of another. So sex is not evil.
And just how do you expect to keep the human race from dying out? Anyways, this will never work because that is not how people will die. they will either be raptured or killed by Satan/the Beast/Antichrist in the end times.
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Listen–if I had caused a lot offence–PLEASE forgive me, but I never viewed sex for pleaure and/or lust purposes anyway, but all I know is from what my parents taught me.
 
Holy things are misused. You simply haven’t met the right person. And no person is the right person before marriage, if sex is concerned. Or anything which happens before marriage, anyway. You have to try. God won’t leave you alone. If not a lady to marry, then a different calling. Who knows. Wait and see what happens. Pray a lot. Easier said than done, I know.
 
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777:
Listen–if I had caused a lot offence–PLEASE forgive me, but I never viewed sex for pleaure and/or lust purposes anyway, but all I know is from what my parents taught me.
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Maybe your parents were wrong. Those who raise us make mistakes, from the mild to the extremely severe. Ask God to show you the truth for whatever issue(s) you have a problem with. He will show you.
As for me, you’re forgiven.
 
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ElizabethAnne:
You’ve brought up on several ocassions that couples don’t think about children or God while they are having sex. Are you sure that’s true for every person? I’m pretty sure it’s not. I think about children and God often when I look at my fiance or give him a hug. I don’t think I would be able to turn that off in the bedroom,

God bless.
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Holy thoughts have nothing to do with arousal, but if that’s what you feel when you look at the guy then fine, maybe the idea of having HIS children is part of attraction for women. To me though it sounds a little impersonal, that he could be anyone with similiar goals and beliefs to you (and catholic ofcourse) - a suitable marriage partner. It’s like making love to an idea, a value, a belief, and I’m not sure if that’s not just another form of repressing (or hiding) more needy and earthy feelings, and not just in terms of sex, but within the whole relationship. It’s as if you think we should ‘decide’ to love our spouses in a generalised form of love or goodwill, out of obligation, a mimicry of the way God loves us, but not in particular, cause any more might lead to infatuation, or emotional dependence. (ie the only person we should really be intimate with or dependant on is God) As I’ve said I just don’t like that way of looking at it.
 
OK, I get the message. You win. Let’s make up & be friendly. Guess no one is perfect, not even my folks. Sorry if I caused a lot of trouble–which I did…😦
 
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porthos11:
His parents ARE wrong!
And so is he!
He has this twisted mentality.
He insults God by insulting the beauty of his creation.
He confuses pure sexual desire…with the lust…
He ALWAYS blames his parents/family
I can’t believe a whole family is (nuts)
I think it’s just him.
He should keep his stupidity to himself.
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:mad: Hmmm. Is this your best representation of Christian Charity? Regardless of how absurd someone acts or talks, it is not your place to cast stones. You should be ashamed of yourself! All in one post, you called him (or her) twisted, insulting, confused, blaming, nuts, and stupid. And threw a few jabs in on the parents and families. Think about that.

Peace,
Gordon
 
Why I changed from no sex to no nudity? That was an afterthought. Sorry again. Peace be with you all, so take care.👍
 
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