downloading music and Burning CDs

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Of course, in all of this (and I’m not advocating theft or illegal activity), the RIAA wants you to know that their action is all because these poor billionaire artists like Metallica and Madonna and the lesser known millionaire artists (who benefit by the exposure that happens due to sharing and trading music) are being jipped out of an extra million or so maybe ( and that’s a big maybe).

Again, I’m not saying that downloading stuff is legal or moral. Most of it isn’t. But I am saying that the industry has the money and the lawyers to get the law written how they want and they’ve got the lawyers to argue the cases to get the decisions they want for all these poor, starving artists like Madonna.

You know, the true up-and-coming artists are practically giving their stuff away to get exposure. That’s what I find interesting.
 
now, i ALWAYS ALWAYS backup ANY DVD i have. i dont care who says it is “illegal”, when you own 2 dobermans, copyright laws dont apply because they like to chew new shiny things. am i “stealing”? no. am i being practical? YES. own some dobermans for a while, and then tell me its still wrong to backup your own DVDs.

So, if I understand you correctly, the dogs have chewed up these movies and destroyed them. If they chewed up your shoes, you would not have a “copy” of them as replacement, so you would have to go to the store and replace the shoes. You could go to the store and replace the movies, too.
 
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lovedbyHim:
now, i ALWAYS ALWAYS backup ANY DVD i have. i dont care who says it is “illegal”, when you own 2 dobermans, copyright laws dont apply because they like to chew new shiny things. am i “stealing”? no. am i being practical? YES. own some dobermans for a while, and then tell me its still wrong to backup your own DVDs.
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So, if I understand you correctly, the dogs have chewed up these movies and destroyed them. If they chewed up your shoes, you would not have a “copy” of them as replacement, so you would have to go to the store and replace the shoes. You could go to the store and replace the movies, too.

Of course, if there were an electronic shoe duplicator in existence, then one could make back up copies of one’s shoes. 😃
 
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Alterum:
Well, I suppose your ideal that music and art should be for donation rather than for sale means it’s okay to steal music and art.

Aside from the fact that most artists would go out of business, what you’re doing is still illegal and still immoral.
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I buy my own CD’s anyway. I don’t have a program to swipe MP3’s. No one can say that I’m stealing mp3’s illegaly or immoraly, because I don’t. I don’t care to. My point is that I just believe that music & art are free to a certain degree. And no, it’s not okay to steal… almost just as it’s not okay to assume :tsktsk:.
 
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La-Petite-Fleur:
I buy my own CD’s anyway. I don’t have a program to swipe MP3’s…
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You are talking about a program to download music, right?
If you use a windows based system, you already have it. Explorer comes standard with Windows.

If your talking about a program to rip music from the CD’s, let’s not imply that this program is bad. In fact, I find it a great idea. The big requirment behind ripping a CD is that you have to have the CD already. Now how you gain that would judge the morality involved, but the usage of a ripper is not wrong.
 
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vz71:
You are talking about a program to download music, right?
If you use a windows based system, you already have it. Explorer comes standard with Windows.

If your talking about a program to rip music from the CD’s, let’s not imply that this program is bad. In fact, I find it a great idea. The big requirment behind ripping a CD is that you have to have the CD already. Now how you gain that would judge the morality involved, but the usage of a ripper is not wrong.
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What is a ripper and what does it mean to rip?
 
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thistle:
What is a ripper and what does it mean to rip?
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Slang term. It is a program that takes the music on a music CD and copies it to your PC’s hard drive as a data file (MP3, WMA, etc).

To rip a CD is to use your PC to copy the music off of it.

If you intend on copying music from your CD’s to any portable MP3 player, you are going to need one of these.
 
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vz71:
Slang term. It is a program that takes the music on a music CD and copies it to your PC’s hard drive as a data file (MP3, WMA, etc).

To rip a CD is to use your PC to copy the music off of it.

If you intend on copying music from your CD’s to any portable MP3 player, you are going to need one of these.
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So when I make backup copies of my original cd’s which I purchased that is called ripping them?
 
Maybe.

Are you leaving the music as data on your hard drive, or are you copying to another CD?

Ripping involves leaving the music as data on your computer.
 
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vz71:
Maybe.

Are you leaving the music as data on your hard drive, or are you copying to another CD?

Ripping involves leaving the music as data on your computer.
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To make a backup copy I first have to import it into my PC then copy onto a blank cd. I leave it on my PC as well so I can play music while using the computer.
 
On a slightly different note -
Lately I have been going to band webpages or review sites that allow me to download songs that the band has put up as samples. Is it okay to download and listen to this music?
 
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Flopfoot:
On a slightly different note -
Lately I have been going to band webpages or review sites that allow me to download songs that the band has put up as samples. Is it okay to download and listen to this music?
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As long as its an “official” page, where its the copyright holder offering the clip for download, yes.
 
This is what really gets me: to legally download a song, I have to pay roughly $0.99; good deal, right? If I want to burn it to a CD, I have to pay again; if I want to transfer it to a MP3 player, I have to pay again. With this kind of nonsense, I think the record companies are getting what they deserve by having their records illegally downloaded. If the record companies had jumped on the bandwagon, using the internet to offer music for downloads, they could have headed off Napster and their ilk. But they do what they always do: fight change. They fought 8 tracks, cassette tapes, CD’s, mini discs, SACD’s, HACD’s, and DVD audio. Now they’re fighting downloading music by ripping people off at every turn.
 
Well, I work in the entertainment industry. And, though, I know I have been guilty of it. I believe that, in most cases, it is a sin.

The people who created the music(or whatever) and the companies that paid for the production of it, unless they otherwise state it, do not do it for free. Use your common sense about it. You know down deep if it is wrong. If it is something that you would otherwise pay for, then you are stealing.

These things are ‘products’. Just because they are easily shared, doesn’t mean that they are free. They are not like buying a car and letting your friend use it.

But, if at some point in your life you did pay for the song, were given if it as a gift(cd,gift card to iTunes,recorded from a cassette tape to cd), is public domain, or if you know that it is something that is not currently for sale, then it is not stealing. Of course, the argument might be made that some of these could be stealing, as well. (If you lose a CD and want to replace it. You would have to go buy it.)

I short. If you wouldn’t tell a lawyer working for the artist who created it about it, then it is probably stealing. And you know it.

There are a lot of artist who do give there music away. But it is pretty obvious when they are giving rather than selling.
 
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merle:
These things are ‘products’. Just because they are easily shared, doesn’t mean that they are free. They are not like buying a car and letting your friend use it…
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And paying a fee if you want to drive it past 3rd gear, and another fee if you want to roll down the windows, and another fee to drive in reverse, and another fee if you want passengers…etc.
The restrictions placed on the music after you take ownership are outrageous.
 
How does it work for example in the case of Canada and Holland.
Downloading music from the internet is legal according to the law of these countries.
If people are abiding by the law music companies and artists surely cannot argue then that people who download in these two countries are stealing.
 
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thistle:
If people are abiding by the law music companies and artists surely cannot argue then that people who download in these two countries are stealing.
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Legal does not necessarily mean right.
 
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vz71:
Legal does not necessarily mean right.
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I would agree with something like abortion but not the downloading of music in a country where it is legal and its only the bloodsucking music industry thinks it should be illegal.
 
Well let’s say Australia made it legal to pickpocket US citizens. Could we do that when they are tourists in our country? When we are tourists in their country? I’m not sure, but I think in both cases, we couldn’t.
I think same goes for music. If Canada makes it legal to download music, then Canadians can probably download Canadian music. But surely Canada can’t give its citizens the right to breach the copyright of US citizens.

By the way, it’s not just the industry that thinks it should be illegal, its many bands as well. Think about it, if you had a band, would you want people downloading music that had taken you days to write and produce, and had taken you a ton of inspiration? Wouldn’t you want them to pay for it by buying your CD’s instead?
 
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