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Fidelia
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Girls can’t wear make-up? not even something like concealer? Or just no obtrusive make-up that is apparent from across a classroom?
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lak611
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The poster is referring to an elementary school. Why should girls under 14 even be wearing makeup?:whacky:
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Fidelia
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I agree. But cleavage limit? How bout cleavage: not allowed at all?! And also, it should apply also to guys having their shirts buttoned all the way up.
I agree with the no underwear showing, but i don’t see anything wrong with bra straps being visible under a tank-top. Maybe that is what you meant by accidental though.
Right on with the transparency thing. It’s one thing if you only have a white bra to wear under a white shirt (you should really wear a beige one- then it won’t show) but i have seen people wearing dark bras, like black and red under a white shirt. Really inappropriate.
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Fidelia
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Oh an elementary school! ok. that makes sense.
but 14 does start high school, and 13-14 is when they start feeling insecure about how they look. what if a girl feels uncomfortable about under-eye circles and her mom supervises her wearing concealer? That is a problem I have had for years. I started wearing concealer at 14 in 9th grade because of it.
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lak611
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9th grade is high school, though, which is different. I do not see any reason why elementary school girls should wear makeup.
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Fidelia
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there is a big gap between elem. and high school though. You say there’s no reason elementary girls should wear make-up and that is right. but elementary does not go all the way up to high school. What about jr high/middle school? Girls begin to feel very self conscious, and are critiqued and/or made fun of even by one another. Why couldn’t a 13 y/o girl with a blemish on her face that will draw unwanted attention from her peers just wear concealer if it helped her self-confidence? And you couldn’t even tell it’s there. What do they do, go right up to each girl and examine her face? It is a subject that is personal and can be sensitive for some girls, especially at that age. Do they also not let them shave their legs til they are 16 or something? Some things are just personal and no one’s business.
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I go to public high school…there is a slight dress code but it isn’t really enforced by most of the teachers. Which I am thankful for because I love my black cargo pants, short skirts, fishnet tights, HIM shirts, spaghetti strap tops, knee high boots, chains, spikes, etc. But I try really hard not to look like a ho in any way. I useally have my sweatshirt with me, so that if my skirt is a little short (which I’m short, so short skirts aren’t really all that short), I can wrap my sweatshirt around my waist, and that useally works. I never wear shirts that are really revealing unless I have something over them, which fishnet tops and butten ups go really well with spaghetti straps.
Although I got in trouble last year when I cut myself and had to go to the nurses office…they didn’t like my spaghetti strap top, even though I could step out in the hall and see 10 girls dressed a lot sluttier then me. They were like “If you where my daughter I wouldn’t even let you out of the house like that.” and “Put your sweatshirt on, your breasts are all hanging out.” I had just gotten out of gym 2 periods before, I took my sweatshirt off because I was hot, and at the time I had my baby think it over doll,Ryan, which I carried around straped to my chest in a front pack. I had strapped him to my chest after gym and taken him to the class I had before art and into art. But I had to take off the carrier because we were using knifes in art and sat him on my lap. But he was being ‘babysat’ so I could go to the nurse and get my finger bandaged. I was going to take Ryan with me, but my art teacher told me to let someone else look after him. Needless to say I got pretty pissed, I put my sweatshirt on, walked out of there and took it off half way down the hall, went back to art but the nurse had the adusity to call my art teacher and tell her I needed to have my sweatshirt on, so I ran out of class crying because I had just been embrassed in front of everyone else, went to the office, cried there, cried in front of the vice principal and my guidence councler, and went back to class. My art teacher felt so sorry for me (Because she knew I wasn’t intentally exposing myself in that shirt, It was just that I had it on alone at the wrong time, and that I useally dress a lot more modest) that she let me cry in the back room with the door locked for the rest of the period. What did I learn from that? Not to wear that shirt again and that the nurse is a bitch.
Middle school was a different story, the principal enforces a really strict dress code; no spaghetti straps, no chains, skirts must be longer then fingers when you put your arms against your side, no shorts till may. When I was in middle school i’d wrap my chains around my waist and cover them with my shirt. Just my own little way to quietly rebel.
Although I got in trouble last year when I cut myself and had to go to the nurses office…they didn’t like my spaghetti strap top, even though I could step out in the hall and see 10 girls dressed a lot sluttier then me. They were like “If you where my daughter I wouldn’t even let you out of the house like that.” and “Put your sweatshirt on, your breasts are all hanging out.” I had just gotten out of gym 2 periods before, I took my sweatshirt off because I was hot, and at the time I had my baby think it over doll,Ryan, which I carried around straped to my chest in a front pack. I had strapped him to my chest after gym and taken him to the class I had before art and into art. But I had to take off the carrier because we were using knifes in art and sat him on my lap. But he was being ‘babysat’ so I could go to the nurse and get my finger bandaged. I was going to take Ryan with me, but my art teacher told me to let someone else look after him. Needless to say I got pretty pissed, I put my sweatshirt on, walked out of there and took it off half way down the hall, went back to art but the nurse had the adusity to call my art teacher and tell her I needed to have my sweatshirt on, so I ran out of class crying because I had just been embrassed in front of everyone else, went to the office, cried there, cried in front of the vice principal and my guidence councler, and went back to class. My art teacher felt so sorry for me (Because she knew I wasn’t intentally exposing myself in that shirt, It was just that I had it on alone at the wrong time, and that I useally dress a lot more modest) that she let me cry in the back room with the door locked for the rest of the period. What did I learn from that? Not to wear that shirt again and that the nurse is a bitch.
Middle school was a different story, the principal enforces a really strict dress code; no spaghetti straps, no chains, skirts must be longer then fingers when you put your arms against your side, no shorts till may. When I was in middle school i’d wrap my chains around my waist and cover them with my shirt. Just my own little way to quietly rebel.
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Fidelia
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I think my high school did not technically allow spaghetti straps, now that i think about it, bt they didn’t say anything about necklines. So a girl with spaghetti straps, but no cleavage would get spoken to, and another girl could get away with a disgustingly low neckline and push-up bra, exposing at least half the flesh of her breasts. It was ridiculous.
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SeekerJen
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The Catholic school I attended encompassed grades 1-8, with the 7th and 8th graders separated in their own wing. The junior high grades had the same “no makeup” rules as the younger kids, but the teachers never sent anyone down to the office for wearing concealer over a pimple (or dark circles- I had/have the same problem), powder on a shiny nose, or light lip gloss. These were non-distracting, and thus a non-issue. The girls who got sent to the principal for ordered face washing and a week’s detention were the ones who were dumb enough to make it obvious: blue eyeshadow, clumpy mascara, bright lipstick.
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Fidelia
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right, that was what i was getting at. As long as it’s non-noticeable and is just something used to look well-kept and healthy, instead of just ill, where’s the problem?
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lak611
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Rather than makeup, the girl could purchase the Clearisil with concealer (medicine that also covers). Just using concealer might make the acne worse.
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Fidelia
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I never said anything about acne. But i have never heard of make-up making it worse, because it is hormonal, and not caused by skin care as far as i know.
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lak611
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Unless the makeup is non-comedogenic, the oils in it will clog pores and exacerbate acne. Other than acne, young girls do not have any other noticeable facial problems. It is not until adulthood that wrinkles set it.
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Fidelia
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i have undereye circles at least since i was 14. nothing to do with sleep either. and yes, quite dark.
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lak611
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That really isn’t anything that would be overly noticeable.
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SeekerJen
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I have to agree with Fidelia on this one.
You’d be surprised at how many people ask me if I’m tired or ill if I don’t wear under-eye concealer. I’ve inherited the dark circles from both parents, although dad has nice olive skin and thus his circles are less obvious due to less color contrast, whereas mom and I are both fair-skinned, so the dark circles are more pronounced. If I’m lacking sleep eye puffiness makes the circles more obvious, but they never go away, hence the makeup. It’s not meant to make me obviously look “made-up”, rather to allow me to go about my business without having a half-dozen people stop me to ask if I’m getting sick.
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Fidelia
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Exactly. I am also very fair skinned.I have to agree with Fidelia on this one.
You’d be surprised at how many people ask me if I’m tired or ill if I don’t wear under-eye concealer. I’ve inherited the dark circles from both parents, although dad has nice olive skin and thus his circles are less obvious due to less color contrast, whereas mom and I are both fair-skinned, so the dark circles are more pronounced. If I’m lacking sleep eye puffiness makes the circles more obvious, but they never go away, hence the makeup. It’s not meant to make me obviously look “made-up”, rather to allow me to go about my business without having a half-dozen people stop me to ask if I’m getting sick.
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dulcissima
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The school I work at doesn’t have much of a dress code, and what they do have, they do a terrible job of enforcing. There is no point in having a dress code if you don’t enforce it.
The local middle school has a really long dress code, almost crazy long. They do a good consistent job of enforcing it too. It covers modesty, morality, respect, and gang issues pretty well. When my daughter was in middle school she pointed out to me that the Catholic school girls in the area would not pass dress code at her school, since the hem of their skirts was more than an index card above their knee.
Sometimes though, the anti-gang rules at the middle school seem kind of extreme. Some of the more bizzare anti-gang rules are no dickies, no converse, no shoe laces wider than a certain width, and no white t-shirts. The funny thing is that the school that I work at has just about all of the gang members in the area, and they are so lax about what they let them do. I think it is going to be a problem, because we now have two gangs at the school, and dressing the part is becoming an issue. Each gang will get together and say what they are going to wear the next day, then they all come to school the next day dressed alike as a show of force.
The local middle school has a really long dress code, almost crazy long. They do a good consistent job of enforcing it too. It covers modesty, morality, respect, and gang issues pretty well. When my daughter was in middle school she pointed out to me that the Catholic school girls in the area would not pass dress code at her school, since the hem of their skirts was more than an index card above their knee.
Sometimes though, the anti-gang rules at the middle school seem kind of extreme. Some of the more bizzare anti-gang rules are no dickies, no converse, no shoe laces wider than a certain width, and no white t-shirts. The funny thing is that the school that I work at has just about all of the gang members in the area, and they are so lax about what they let them do. I think it is going to be a problem, because we now have two gangs at the school, and dressing the part is becoming an issue. Each gang will get together and say what they are going to wear the next day, then they all come to school the next day dressed alike as a show of force.
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kellyann
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we can wear anything at my school except short shorts below finger tips and haulter tops! i think we should have a more strict dress code because people try to break the ruels all the time!
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chevalier
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Yup. Some people just seem to be offended by strange things, like I don’t know… not the degree or the “slutty-ity” of it but the kind of it? There’s no automatic and unfailing link between the amount of skin or flesh shown and the decency of an outfit because slutty designs do their part, but it looks like some people are obsessed. I mean, how much can one care about stupid clothes anyway?
The same I’d say to Goth_Catholic. A normally sensible and especially sensitive person would never behave like that. It’s not like I’m oh so mellow about clothes myself, I’ll grant you that, but what you write about is horrific. It wouldn’t have happened at my highschool. Considering myself Catholic and an old-fashioned gentleman (who does have a clothes pet peeve), I’d cut that kind of talk in mid-word and in no tentative tone if I were present at it.
Hmm… Don’t know. I think if one is not sexualised, one can take an honest look and appreciate what he sees to some extent. But my dad was a painter and sculptor (and some more), so I may be different. What puts me off is the saggy kind because it’s sexualised, as well as the really low ones because they are absurd (what need for that exists, rationally?). As a rule, if the cleavage is “sexy”, it’s bad. But if it’s comfy (don’t know, air circulation, light summer clothing, whatever), I don’t care. I’m not offended by trousers and a bikini top at all, whereas I totally can’t stand the “fishing” designs.
As for guys, you have no idea how it puts me off when they remove shirts at parties. Come on. Mine stays on unless I’m sunbathing on the beach or working physically in such conditions that I could stain clothing and have no rough clothes at hand (translates as unexpected cleaning up into normal language, I guess). But buttons? I believe the top button should not be done unless a tie is worn. I just hate done-to-the-last-button collars without a tie (I won’t be caught dead wearing that). I’ll sometimes undo two buttons especially in the summer. But I guess it’s different when guys with a lot of chest hair undo half the buttons in a city space.
Accidental I meant like I don’t know, something shows here or there now or then obviously unintended and unforeseen. We’re all just human and we have better things to do with our time and attention than to dwell on such things. Besides, it can be rather cute anyway. But I think when the girl knows the bra straps will be showing, she should make sure the straps are of the same colour (or close, let’s not be obsessive) as the top’s ones. I think I would be hesitant to ask out or ask to dance a girl habitually showing bra straps like that, which has more to do with my paranoia than anything inherent in the straps, but nonetheless I’d rather bra straps didn’t show. If they are white and lacy, it can be quite uncomfortable.
Yep, I don’t like that. In fact, I don’t like how male dressy white shirts let body colour shine through, but I guess it doesn’t really matter that much.
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