are you a real canadian?i’ve met your type before I suspect that you are one of those posters here that pretend to be a canadian,but you’re not.you true identity will be known reading between your lines very soon. I have read similar posters like you in the past and maybe yo re back.i know you’re an ex canadian.,who is now anti canadian.just to reiterate,pls refrain from duping posters that you are canadian.i dealt with you before
Triumphguy, I know you are aware of this more than most.
Well, it’s a known fact that Catholics drink more than Protestants in America based on our churches view on alcohol. Now if we are talking about Italy and European countries with Catholics, I would say those Catholics drink a lot more in comparison to American Catholics. Even the Filipino Catholic icon Manny Pacquiao has his alcoholic drink commercials.
I’m just having a dialogueTriumphguy, I know you are aware of this more than most.
1 Corinthians
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. Scripture does not talk about football games…(Go Notre Dame). It does however say that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and that we honor God with our bodies. If you want to believe that smoking pot does so…then I would say we will disagree. Inhale if you believe that the Holy Spirit would find no offense. For me, nah
I defer to the Dr Coptic but from what I read…alcohol in moderation can be positive…ie, a glass a red wine a day being good for the heart. Now science is saying that it’s not just red wine that other alcohol has the same positive effects (or is it affects?). Moderation is key…I’ve had friends who’ve had alcohol problems and again, hold nothing against someone who chooses not to drink. Better not to drink than to abuse it for sure. It’s those that don’t eat ice cream that I find offensive.I’m just having a dialogue
OK so is pot better, worse, or just different from alcohol in terms of damaging the body (which as we know is the Temple of the Holy Spirit)?
Here’s an article from the same professor advocating lowering the drinking age from 19 to 18.
Sorry, I watched enough 18 year old high school students die traveling from Illinois to Wisconsin 30 years ago so that they could drink in taverns. Many died on I-94 on their way back home after an evening of (un)controlled drinking. Been there, done that…young people died.
Yes, and no one will have more than one 8 once, 3.2 beer. Please pass and share the peanuts.
Yes…two problems here…High school seniors are 18 years old and your research only goes back 20 years. It needs to go back farther and explore why did numerous states raise the drinking age from 18 to 21.
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I then looked at Wiki to get their % of population, protestant verses Catholic. All states are protestant, some heavily so except New Hampshire and even then, only marginally so. So this must mean that its the protestants doing most of the beer drinking. I think us Catholics lean more to the wine…… They don’t “want to be criminals”, though, they want to make money selling pot. Right now that is a criminal activity, but they would much prefer it to be legal. If it’s legal they’re not looking to find some new criminal activity to participate in. You are assuming here that selling pot is a “vice”, but it’s simply a criminal activity supplying a “vice”; selling pot isn’t an activity that people seek out for a thrill or get addicted to.
Actually, regulation on cigarettes and alcohol HAVE lowered youth use of these drugs. Youth use of alcohol and tobacco are far lower in the U.S., where access is restricted by age, than in places like Russia where it’s not. Kids can still get a hold of it, but it’s much harder when it’s legal and regulated.
The point is that it won’t be profitable to compete with legal growers. These laws were written specifically to undercut the black market, and have scaling tax levels and fees to adjust down if needed to push out the black-market dealers. The cost of illegal pot will always be higher than legal pot, all things being equal, because of the added cost of smuggling, bribes, guns, ect. The mafia didn’t keep a big hand in the liquor market after Prohibition ended precisely because it wasn’t worth it. They moved into other markets, but they’ve never come close to replacing the revenue they made from liquor, and the U.S. mafia has declined significantly because of it, as did bootleggers.
You’ve not yet responded to the fact that the side-effects you listed are the same as those of alcohol, yet alcohol use is moral. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that smoking pot gives honor to God, at least in most cases, though neither does having a beer when watching a football game. You can give thanks to God when you have a drink, or a smoke, however.
Notice how many of them are heavily German. Plenty of German Catholics, you know. And Germans drink beer.CU -
I googled top states for beer consumption… here’s the USA TODAY TOP 10 list. These states are all protestant. Not one Catholic in them. Well of course I joke.
The top ten states in beer consumption per capita as reported in USA Today:
- New Hampshire (Catholic 35%, Protestant 32%** ) ** does not include unspecified of 5%…
- North Dakota (Catholic 30%, Protestant 54%)
- Montana (Catholic 24%, Protestant 55%)
- South Dakota (Catholic 25%, Protestant 61%)
- Nevada (Catholic 27%, Protestant 46%) * P includes unaffiliated of 20%
- Wisconsin (Catholic 29%, Protestant 50%)
- Vermont (Catholic 26%, Protestant 29%)
- Texas (Catholic 28%, Protestant 36%)
- Nebraska (Catholic 28%, Protestant 61%)
- Delaware (Catholic 9%, Protestant 54%)
Hi Ghostly, I did not intend not to respond. I’m not clear that the side effects are the same. That said, alcohol use in moderation is fine. Scripturally, Jesus drank wine and he indicated the moral issue is when its use results in drunkeness. Science even shows that there are health benefits in red wine in reducing the risk of heart disease. Recent science is even saying that other forms of alcohol offer the same protection. Bloomberg article below.
The only German that I know that does not like beer is my wife. She does like chocolate liqueur and Baileys though…Notice how many of them are heavily German. Plenty of German Catholics, you know. And Germans drink beer.
And moderate marijuana use would be fine as well. So long as one isn’t using it to the point of inhibiting reason and judgement, it’s not a moral problem.Hi Ghostly, I did not intend not to respond. I’m not clear that the side effects are the same. That said, alcohol use in moderation is fine. Scripturally, Jesus drank wine and he indicated the moral issue is when its use results in drunkeness. Science even shows that there are health benefits in red wine in reducing the risk of heart disease. Recent science is even saying that other forms of alcohol offer the same protection. Bloomberg article below.
bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-22/drinking-moderately-may-help-prevent-heart-disease-studies-say.html
Ghost,
I’m saying that there is nothing inherently immoral about moderate pot use; the legality is a different matter entirely since we’re discussing legalization anyway.
Ghosty,
It will be as inapplicable as any other law that is “on the books” but is not enforced and can’t be convicted in court. Kind of like it being illegal to be in possession of wire-cutters outside of your own property in Texas, or wiggling your hips while dancing in California. With jury nullification of the Federal laws almost guaranteed, and the resources being wasted on such efforts in any event, the Feds do not enforce, nor attempt to enforce, drug laws on individual users (and they’ve already indicated explicitly that this is the case).