You believe he has counseling why? because their own controlled media tells you this? Because their platform of the media and a tv show has allowed them to promote only one side? False information? Like what? He molested siblings, the family waited to report it, they handled the “counseling” in house and their stories change?
Now please do NOT put words in MY mouth. I just mean the media that spreads false and sensational information and there is plenty of that going around. What makes you think my opinions are not supported by facts. Are yours?? I am simply standing up for the ability to be sorry and forgiven for past sins as taught by the Catholic Church. I have repeated that many times. Again, look at the thief on the Cross. And the families ability to speak for their self without being accused of lying. Their whole life and the way they raise their children, even how many children they have, and everything about them has been raked over the coals. I think it’s time we let it go and stop adding fuel to the fire. Please don’t let me confuse you, but I do believe I am entitled to my OPINION and that’s what I have tried to express. Name calling, strong adjectives etc, etc, etc, by some, won’t change that. God Bless, Memaw
I believe you could be right. We don’t know for sure either way what’s going on, but I am also of the opinion that one can be fully a repentant and changed person. And I hope for everyone’s sakes and to shame the media that I’m 100% right!
It allows me to look at the situation without my judgment being clouded by being a former fan who feels betrayed.
It’s really not that different. His sexually acting out was either an indication that he needed help, or it was an indication that he was a budding sexual psychopath. You lean towards the latter view, while I lean towards the former. As to the peculiarities of their particular religious faith, I really have no inclination to delve too deeply into it. It’s kind of strange, but not that far out of the norm of for a lot of evangelical Protestant faiths.
Well, we certainly share some common ground. I, too, believe in repentance and forgiveness. I also believe that we are all entitled to hold and state our opinions. I’m not sure what is meant by strong adjectives, but I definitely enjoy precise language so I imagine I’ve used them.
Is there evidence of recent activities? I understand these events to have occurred when Josh was 14-15yrs. He is now 27yrs! At this point, everyone has had the opportunity to watch their show. If there is any “suffering” that is taking place, it would be evident. At this point, there is no choice but to move on…Do you think we should ask an abused child if they are suffering and if they say no, “I liked it” we should move on?
But it also keeps you from knowing lots of pertinent information. Like how Josh was put forth on the show, and how the show dealt with sexuality, family, parenting, weddings, dating and such, which definitely plays into the situation. You are ignorant of a huge body of information about a person you are judging…
The evidence of the former activities was delayed, covered up and handled in a poor way. The officer involved is in prison for Child sexual abuse crimes.
See, I think that there is a mistake.
If I had to guess I would say it is nothing more than JIm Bob losing it on the backlash that is coming. He, like most people, is probably resistant to any sort of CPS or social work intervention in his own family. You and I might have the same reaction. HOWEVER. If he wishes to be taken seriously, then he should cooperate even when he may not want to. BUt then again, this is how he has operated for most of his life. When it comes to the state and a cultish group, well, it never ends up well for the group. I don’t say cult because I disagree with the theology of the Duggars. actually, I agree with it a ton! But rather this secrecy and distrust of conventional authorities. I don’t say this lightly as a homeschooling religious father, but rather as someone who recognizes that secrecy is never good. As our CHurch learned. Sometimes we have to open the door to the social process when we have the welfare of children involved. You think the Church likes paying the lawsuits? But they have to…
IF that were the case there would be no popular media forum. Or news forum for that matter. Or discussion about the upcoming synod or the presidential election and candidates…Which is why we should wait until we have all the actual facts of the case, not the tidbits the media and gossip columnists are feeding us. We could have this conversation again in a few months or so much more productively, justly and honestly.
Wow, you could not be more off base. The Duggars have done a good job of portraying themselves publicly as just fundamental Christians. That’s NOT who they are in total. They are aligned with a very damaging, destructive organization that manipulates scripture and is led by a deluded, sick man who himself is a sexual predator. Most evangelical Protestant faiths don’t teach girls that their immodesty is the reason their brothers molest them. Most evangelical Protestant faiths don’t instruct families dealing with this problem to keep the molester under the same roof.
:ehh: Do you normally have this view of child molesters and those who ensure they aren’t dealt with appropriately by the law?
We actually know what was present in the police report.
Huh? Who here has criticized the Duggars for having a large family? As for their “strong Christian beliefs” being “weird,” cults (not “strong Christian beliefs”) **are **weird. I don’t know why people are so resistant to recognizing Bill Gothard as the leader of a cult. I guess doing so **would **necessitate actually learning about him and his organization, though.
I’m quite fine being judged by the same standard I hold others to regarding the safety and security of children.
Yes.
It’s not just you. Either there’s a glitch or the mod is cleaning up posts.Hmm…interesting. My last two pages of posts are gone. Me thinks there is someone on this thread with issues against me.
Yeah but I didn’t violate forum rules I don’t think. I’m confused. Thanks for letting me know it isn’t only me.
