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Havard said:
Are you saying they claim not to be sinners? I’m not familiar with the Duggars, but I’ve never heard this claim.
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I don’t think they’ve ever actually said they are not sinners. However, I do recall (especially in the earlier days of the show) Michelle making a lot of comments side-eyeing other people’s choices. For example, when the kids still all dressed in red and she was asked why they weren’t allowed to wear more individual clothes she made a rather sarcastic comment that kids from “normal” families wind up dressing the same anyway due to peer pressure.

She also has stated that the purpose of dating is just for fun while the purpose of courtship is to find a spouse. While many courtship advocates would agree with her, there are a lot of people who identify as Christian and believe in chaste dating to discern marriage – including even “Cousin Amy” Duggar who states that she “dates” and even has kissed her boyfriend before marriage but “there’s a lot more left I haven’t given away”.

So while technically they’ve never claimed to be sinless, they have given many of their viewers a “holier than thou” impression.

Oh and BTW I find it very interesting that for all the claims of media bias, Christian bashing, liberal double standards, etc…if those in the Duggar defender camp really think that, that Josh is forgiven by God and no one else should dare judge him, then why has no one questioned his resignation from FRCAction? Even Hannity referred to it as a “firing” and did NOT seem to think FRCaction was wrong to part ways with Josh Duggar, when he discussed the Duggars on his TV show last night.

So even if Michelle Duggar claims there’s no hypocrisy in her insinuating GLBT people are pedophiles because technically Josh wasn’t a pedophile due to his age, it doesn’t seem the people at FRC agree. Now you could argue that is just about politics but I really haven’t heard too much people state that Josh should NOT have resigned, even though many state the Duggars shouldn’t lose their show.
– they’ve moved on despite the media dragging this out and disecting it to death— just end their show and let them go on with their lives without cameras in their homes. They’ll all be better for it. It’s DONE --it’s OVERDONE! They need the peace away from the public eye! Let them all heal! They still have a lot of young children to raise and get to adulthood.
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I get a feeling (name removed by moderator) is more Duggar friendly then me but I too think the show should end. Even the pastor who claimed to be a “family friend” and strongly defended the Duggars on Hannity stated his “pastoral advice” was for them to end the show.

I’m not really blaming the girls for being rather coy about whether they wanted the show to continue or not, they didn’t have a choice to enter the celebrity fishbowl and they may really have come to accept it as normal that they have cameras following them all the time. But you’d think the parents have learned their lesson.

I really hope they don’t actually try to sue the people who released the records as Jim Bob has hinted he would. If he wants his family to heal and move on, that’s probably not the way to do it.

(BTW I didn’t mind Kelly’s questions for the most part, but I did find it ridiculous that she asked Jill and Jessa why they decided to go on reality TV, as if they actually made that choice themselves. This isn’t even about Jim Bob being patriarchal, I doubt the Roloff kids, Gosselin kids, Little Couple kids, etc. had a choice either.)
 
ToeInTheWater said:
I don’t think they’ve ever actually said they are not sinners. However, I do recall (especially in the earlier days of the show) Michelle making a lot of comments side-eyeing other people’s choices. For example, when the kids still all dressed in red and she was asked why they weren’t allowed to wear more individual clothes she made a rather sarcastic comment that kids from “normal” families wind up dressing the same anyway due to peer pressure.

She also has stated that the purpose of dating is just for fun while the purpose of courtship is to find a spouse. While many courtship advocates would agree with her, there are a lot of people who identify as Christian and believe in chaste dating to discern marriage – including even “Cousin Amy” Duggar who states that she “dates” and even has kissed her boyfriend before marriage but “there’s a lot more left I haven’t given away”.

So while technically they’ve never claimed to be sinless, they have given many of their viewers a “holier than thou” impression.

Oh and BTW I find it very interesting that for all the claims of media bias, Christian bashing, liberal double standards, etc…if those in the Duggar defender camp really think that, that Josh is forgiven by God and no one else should dare judge him, then why has no one questioned his resignation from FRCAction? Even Hannity referred to it as a “firing” and did NOT seem to think FRCaction was wrong to part ways with Josh Duggar, when he discussed the Duggars on his TV show last night.

So even if Michelle Duggar claims there’s no hypocrisy in her insinuating GLBT people are pedophiles because technically Josh wasn’t a pedophile due to his age, it doesn’t seem the people at FRC agree. Now you could argue that is just about politics but I really haven’t heard too much people state that Josh should NOT have resigned, even though many state the Duggars shouldn’t lose their show.

I get a feeling (name removed by moderator) is more Duggar friendly then me but I too think the show should end. Even the pastor who claimed to be a “family friend” and strongly defended the Duggars on Hannity stated his “pastoral advice” was for them to end the show.

I’m not really blaming the girls for being rather coy about whether they wanted the show to continue or not, they didn’t have a choice to enter the celebrity fishbowl and they may really have come to accept it as normal that they have cameras following them all the time. But you’d think the parents have learned their lesson.

I really hope they don’t actually try to sue the people who released the records as Jim Bob has hinted he would. If he wants his family to heal and move on, that’s probably not the way to do it.

(BTW I didn’t mind Kelly’s questions for the most part, but I did find it ridiculous that she asked Jill and Jessa why they decided to go on reality TV, as if they actually made that choice themselves. This isn’t even about Jim Bob being patriarchal, I doubt the Roloff kids, Gosselin kids, Little Couple kids, etc. had a choice either.)
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Well said. It’s the “holier than thou” comments that make many feel they are hypocritical as you noted above.

Mary.
 
Magdalena59 said:
I totally agree with this.

It seems to me after reading many posts and articles about the Duggars, many people are making statements without even knowing the facts or the whole story. All they see is a Christian family that fell or had sin in their lives. Well, we all have sin in our lives but it is a matter of turning back to God that makes the difference.

I think the biggest thing that strikes me is that as a young teenager, Josh Duggar, was able to go to his parents and tell them what he had done and ask for help and forgiveness. How many teenagers do that today? How many teenagers today are caught up in the spirit of fornication or pornography on computers and cell phones and keep it hidden and do not go to their parents or anyone for help. What he and the parents did took great courage.

I think it also bothers people that his sisters forgive him. That bothers people who can’t understand the freedom we get when we forgive and are forgiven.

But isn’t that the message of the Gospel. Repentance and forgiveness. Cleansing. We have all sinned.

God is always ready to forgive. His mercies are new every morning but we have to turn and ask for forgiveness, especially through the sacrament of reconciliation.

In the words of Sr. Philip Neri, who when ever he heard rumors or gossip of something someone did was known to say, “Thank God I didn’t do something worse.”

By the grace of God, go I.
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I agree with you. I just hope he’s learned his lesson and is safe to be around. But honestly, while im on the Duggars side on this, if i had a young girl who was around him, i probably wouldn’t be so trusting. 🤷
 
Magdalena59 said:
I totally agree with this.

It seems to me after reading many posts and articles about the Duggars, many people are making statements without even knowing the facts or the whole story. All they see is a Christian family that fell or had sin in their lives. Well, we all have sin in our lives but it is a matter of turning back to God that makes the difference.

I think the biggest thing that strikes me is that as a young teenager, Josh Duggar, was able to go to his parents and tell them what he had done and ask for help and forgiveness. How many teenagers do that today? How many teenagers today are caught up in the spirit of fornication or pornography on computers and cell phones and keep it hidden and do not go to their parents or anyone for help. What he and the parents did took great courage.

I think it also bothers people that his sisters forgive him. That bothers people who can’t understand the freedom we get when we forgive and are forgiven.

But isn’t that the message of the Gospel. Repentance and forgiveness. Cleansing. We have all sinned.

God is always ready to forgive. His mercies are new every morning but we have to turn and ask for forgiveness, especially through the sacrament of reconciliation.

In the words of Sr. Philip Neri, who when ever he heard rumors or gossip of something someone did was known to say, “Thank God I didn’t do something worse.”

By the grace of God, go I.
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AMEN!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
Magdalena59 said:
I think it also bothers people that his sisters forgive him. That bothers people who can’t understand the freedom we get when we forgive and are forgiven.

But isn’t that the message of the Gospel. Repentance and forgiveness. Cleansing. We have all sinned.
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First of all, I personally think Jill and Jessa have every right to forgive Josh. It doesn’t bother me at all. So do the other victims if they have indeed forgiven Josh as well.

However, I have certainly noticed (on more secular websites) that people are now even stating that Jill and Jessa were WRONG to forgive Josh, some have even insinuated their forgiving him must mean they actually consented to what he did and they just don’t want to admit that. :eek: The more charitable ones have stated they’re just brainwashed Stepford wives whose opinions shouldn’t even count even though they are the victims, because apparently no one in their right minds would forgive a child molester. :eek:

For the record, I certainly do NOT agree with that kind of approach.

(BTW Duggar “critics” insinuating Jill and Jessa must have been complicit in what happened, is really ironic because other Duggar critics are pointing out, that the ATI “counseling” material also insinuates that victims of sexual abuse share the blame for what happened.)
God is always ready to forgive. His mercies are new every morning but we have to turn and ask for forgiveness, especially through the sacrament of reconciliation.
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Forgiveness however is NOT the same as taking away all the consequences of sin. It seems that even most of the Duggar defenders accept that one of the consequences of Josh Duggar’s past sins, is that he is not eligible to be a political operative paid to advance the cause of “family values”. While many hint that “if liberals defend their media darlings no matter what, it’s A-OK for conservatives to do it too”, few have stated that “well if liberals hire shady people to advance their political causes, then it’s A-OK for conservatives to do it too”.

Note that especially from a Catholic POV, “forgiven” sinners will still suffer the temporal consequences of sin either in this world or in purgatory.

See, I understand why the Duggars and Protestants in general have a tendency to state “if a sinner is repentant then God forgives and so should everyone else”, because they don’t believe in Purgatory. But I’d think Catholics would be more nuanced than that.

Forgiving someone, is also not the same as trusting someone again. (And AFAIK, while Jill stated she forgave Josh, she did NOT state that she trusted him, either.)
 
ToeInTheWater said:
First of all, I personally think Jill and Jessa have every right to forgive Josh. It doesn’t bother me at all. So do the other victims if they have indeed forgiven Josh as well.

However, I have certainly noticed (on more secular websites) that people are now even stating that Jill and Jessa were WRONG to forgive Josh, some have even insinuated their forgiving him must mean they actually consented to what he did and they just don’t want to admit that. :eek: The more charitable ones have stated they’re just brainwashed Stepford wives whose opinions shouldn’t even count even though they are the victims, because apparently no one in their right minds would forgive a child molester. :eek:

For the record, I certainly do NOT agree with that kind of approach.

(BTW Duggar “critics” insinuating Jill and Jessa must have been complicit in what happened, is really ironic because other Duggar critics are pointing out, that the ATI “counseling” material also insinuates that victims of sexual abuse share the blame for what happened.)

Forgiveness however is NOT the same as taking away all the consequences of sin. It seems that even most of the Duggar defenders accept that one of the consequences of Josh Duggar’s past sins, is that he is not eligible to be a political operative paid to advance the cause of “family values”. While many hint that “if liberals defend their media darlings no matter what, it’s A-OK for conservatives to do it too”, few have stated that “well if liberals hire shady people to advance their political causes, then it’s A-OK for conservatives to do it too”.

Note that especially from a Catholic POV, “forgiven” sinners will still suffer the temporal consequences of sin either in this world or in purgatory.

See, I understand why the Duggars and Protestants in general have a tendency to state “if a sinner is repentant then God forgives and so should everyone else”, because they don’t believe in Purgatory. But I’d think Catholics would be more nuanced than that.

Forgiving someone, is also not the same as trusting someone again. (And AFAIK, while Jill stated she forgave Josh, she did NOT state that she trusted him, either.)
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Yes, I saw the interview and noted the same thing. She never stated she trusted him and that forgiveness and trust are different. All the more reason for me to be concerned for his own children in his own home.

Mary
 
The Duggars biggest problem is that they willingly bit the bullet and signed their children up to be a part of the Hollywood nonsense in the first place. Very few people would have known about this otherwise. Hollywood destroys everyone and everything in its path if not in one matter then in another. Sooner or latter this was bound to happen (a big scandal of some sort against their family.) The mistake was signing their own children entrusted to them by God up for this drama in the first place. Why would anyone in their right mind do such a thing to their children? And them being good Christians and knowing better?
 
Faith1960 said:
Did anyone see the interview with Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar on Wednesday? What did you think about what they had to say?
Two of the victims speak out tonight.
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I saw it. I nearly puked. Literally. As a father of 4 girls and 1 boy I am sickened by Jim Bob and his brainwashing of the family. He is sick. I loved the Duggars. Now, I feel dirty for buying into their self prostitution.

It has ruined the Bates family for me as well…

Alas, it looks like TV is not safe for my kids anymore…
 
ToeInTheWater said:
First of all, I personally think Jill and Jessa have every right to forgive Josh. It doesn’t bother me at all. So do the other victims if they have indeed forgiven Josh as well.

However, I have certainly noticed (on more secular websites) that people are now even stating that Jill and Jessa were WRONG to forgive Josh, some have even insinuated their forgiving him must mean they actually consented to what he did and they just don’t want to admit that. :eek: The more charitable ones have stated they’re just brainwashed Stepford wives whose opinions shouldn’t even count even though they are the victims, because apparently no one in their right minds would forgive a child molester. :eek:

For the record, I certainly do NOT agree with that kind of approach.

(BTW Duggar “critics” insinuating Jill and Jessa must have been complicit in what happened, is really ironic because other Duggar critics are pointing out, that the ATI “counseling” material also insinuates that victims of sexual abuse share the blame for what happened.)

Forgiveness however is NOT the same as taking away all the consequences of sin. It seems that even most of the Duggar defenders accept that one of the consequences of Josh Duggar’s past sins, is that he is not eligible to be a political operative paid to advance the cause of “family values”. While many hint that “if liberals defend their media darlings no matter what, it’s A-OK for conservatives to do it too”, few have stated that “well if liberals hire shady people to advance their political causes, then it’s A-OK for conservatives to do it too”.

Note that especially from a Catholic POV, “forgiven” sinners will still suffer the temporal consequences of sin either in this world or in purgatory.

See, I understand why the Duggars and Protestants in general have a tendency to state “if a sinner is repentant then God forgives and so should everyone else”, because they don’t believe in Purgatory. But I’d think Catholics would be more nuanced than that.

Forgiving someone, is also not the same as trusting someone again. (And AFAIK, while Jill stated she forgave Josh, she did NOT state that she trusted him, either.)
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I am a Catholic and I do believe in Purgatory but we are not the ones to judge another’s need for Purgatory. Sincere sorrow can eliminate it altogether. Good example is the thief on the cross. That’s not up to us to say. ONLY God knows. God Bless. Memaw
 
I didn’t realize Jessa’s husband had issues with the Catholic Church. Did he specify what teachings he had issues with?

Mary.
 
Yeah, they all need to get themselves and their kids off of TV and go back to normal life.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I saw it. I nearly puked. Literally. As a father of 4 girls and 1 boy I am sickened by Jim Bob and his brainwashing of the family. He is sick. I loved the Duggars. Now, I feel dirty for buying into their self prostitution.

It has ruined the Bates family for me as well…

Alas, it looks like TV is not safe for my kids anymore…
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I haven’t really watched too much of the Duggar’s programs, just a snippet here and there. I think I saw the cross over episode a number of years ago, where Michelle got a wedding dress at Kleinfeld’s in NY, and was on “Say Yes to the Dress”.

In my home, I was looking forward to have my kids start watching the “Cosby Show”. That was a good program that portrayed family life pretty realistically. Sadly, even though it was fiction, it’s been pulled. I grew up watching Bill Cosby, from his snippets on Sesame Street, to the Fat Albert Show.

I always enjoyed his live stand up comedy show, where he talks about Camille and his adventures raising their children.

I have no idea if the allegations against him are true or not, but his image has been tarnished.

So I can see how you feel. I never got into watching the Duggars, they didn’t really relate to them much.

“I Love Lucy” can still be found. And the “Waltons”
 
I have the screen name MaryT777. Did you mean another poster? I am Catholic and have no issues with our devotion for Mother Mary and…drum roll please…

I am named after her 😃

Just checkin’

Mary. (T777)
 
Yes, I follow his instagram and he is very very evangelical and anti Catholic.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Yes, I follow his instagram and he is very very evangelical and anti Catholic.
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He’s a 20 year old kid with no education who lives off of his beloved father-in-law, just who I look to for information on all things theological… LOL!
 
kozlosap said:
He’s a 20 year old kid with no education who lives off of his beloved father-in-law, just who I look to for information on all things theological… LOL!
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I hear ya! Koz. You can really sense the regurgitation of stale old ideas in his theology. It would not surprise me though if he ended up being a pastor. Or a Kirk Cameron type. He is immature for sure. However, his Honeymoon to Italy was bothersome to me on a certain level. Nothing like him posting pictures of the Vatican that I am sure TLC paid for and then bashing it…:rolleyes:

OTOH Mormonism makes an entire religion out of 19 year old kids evangelizing some pretty odd theology. I do enjoy a knock at my door every once in a while… it gives me a chance to evangelize myself. It is literally opportunity knocking.😉
 
Most people who are protestant Christians have those thoughts toward Catholics. I guess those are some of the things they are protesting. One thing we can do for them is to pray that they come to the true faith of the Catholic church. I agree most people in other Christian churches do not know what the Catholic church believes but just go by the rumors they hear. (That used to be me). I hope he looked at the links you sent him.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
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However, I have certainly noticed (on more secular websites) that people are now even stating that Jill and Jessa were WRONG to forgive Josh, some have even insinuated their forgiving him must mean they actually consented to what he did and they just don’t want to admit that. :eek: The more charitable ones have stated they’re just brainwashed Stepford wives whose opinions shouldn’t even count even though they are the victims, because apparently no one in their right minds would forgive a child molester. :eek:…

Forgiveness however is NOT the same as taking away all the consequences of sin…

Note that especially from a Catholic POV, “forgiven” sinners will still suffer the temporal consequences of sin either in this world or in purgatory. …

Forgiving someone, is also not the same as trusting someone again. (And AFAIK, while Jill stated she forgave Josh, she did NOT state that she trusted him, either.)
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True

I have seen articles and media posts also where the secular culture states they are ready to forgive anything and everything except child molestation, which true it is most horrible but God does still forgive.

Sure, there are still consequences to face from our actions.

We do have a way as Catholics to relieve some of the temporal punishments of sin and that is through indulgences.

I agree also that forgiving doesn’t mean trusting. We as people not involved in their lives do not know all the circumstances that happened at the time and how Josh Duggar has hopefully changed but the sisters and the remaining family do and I hope and pray that he has and will continue to prove himself trustworthy, as I believe God can give the grace to do that.

As a Catholic, I, and hope other Catholics do also, pray for other Christians who are trying their best to follow Christ, that they would come to know the truth of the Catholic faith because they are missing out on many graces offered in the Church, such as the wonderful sacrament of reconciliation and most important the Holy Eucharist. Also because there isn’t an assurance of salvation by just believing we do not want their souls to continue to be at risk and yes, purgatory is real.
 
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