Duquesne University punishes student for online post against homosexuality

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Im from Pittsburgh also and I think there are alot of problems within the Diocese. So this is nothing new.

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That is absurd, especially if the article is accurate that it took place on a site not affiliated with the school.
 
While I do not think a “Gay-Straight Alliance” group is something that should be at a Catholic University nor do I think any University has any business policing things that are out side of thier control this student, Ryan, needs to learn more about what the Catholic Church teaches as no where does the Church teach that homosexuality is “subhuman”, what ever that is.

Also this student needs to learn a bit about charitable behavior.
 
He should appeal to the Diocese. Make Duquesne loose their Catholic status. The Bishop can do that even though it is ran by a religious order. If he gets no satisfaction there, then appeal to Rome.

In the mean time, here is the email address of the President of Duquesne:
  • **Charles J. Dougherty, Ph.D. - **Duquesne University President - president@duq.edu
Also here is the address of the Provincial Congregation of the Holy Spirit which is the order Duquesne is under:
Fr. Don McEachin, C.S.Sp.
Provincial, Spiritian Provincialate
Congregation of the Holy Spirit
6230 Brush Run Rd.
Bethel Park, PA 15102
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ByzCath:
nor do I think any University has any business policing things that are out side of thier control this student, Ryan, needs to learn more about what the Catholic Church teaches as no where does the Church teach that homosexuality is “subhuman”, what ever that is.
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Yes, it sounds as if Ryan has gotten the wrong message by the school’s action. It sounds as if he has turned defensive, citing his individual rights…and failing to see how unChristian his statement was.

I think this situation is sad. Not only is the university failing to educate Ryan, but their action may actually drive him to cling more strongly to his opinion, out of a sense of aggrieved injustice.
 
If it wasn’t the schools computer .Than its a civil Rights matter and the school is violating the students rights he should complain to the state. Try to find a civil Rights lawyerthat will help him sue the school.
 
I really can’t make a judgement about this student from the limited description of his post in the article.

But the thing that really bugs me is that I have never heard of Duquesne taking action against a student for criticizing the Catholic Church or for an attack on Catholics. Could you imagine the uproar if Duquesne found an internet post by one of the homosexual activist students slamming the Catholic Church and tried to force that student to do a paper on the Church’s teaching on sexuality?

An internet forum not related to the university has nothing to do with the education environment at Duquense and the liberal educrats there should leave this kid alone.

They should focus their attention on weeding out the dissenters in their theology department. The fact that an on-campus gay rights group is even “under consideration” is a black mark on this university.
 
Joe Kelley:
Academic Freedom = Freedom to agree with the Professors.😉
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Isn’t that the truth. Joe has this right.:clapping:
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ByzCath:
While I do not think a “Gay-Straight Alliance” group is something that should be at a Catholic University nor do I think any University has any business policing things that are out side of thier control this student, Ryan, needs to learn more about what the Catholic Church teaches as no where does the Church teach that homosexuality is “subhuman”, what ever that is.

Also this student needs to learn a bit about charitable behavior.
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The difference is, “not being charitable” is not a crime. It may not be a Catholic way to live, but it isn’t illegal.

That’s the crux here. Basically, this is a yet another Catholic institution pandering to those they shouldn’t, and being afraid to set established rules and norms as prescribed by Church leadership.

The lack of backbone in the American catholic Church makes me sick.
 
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HappyCatholic01:
The difference is, “not being charitable” is not a crime. It may not be a Catholic way to live, but it isn’t illegal.

That’s the crux here. Basically, this is a yet another Catholic institution pandering to those they shouldn’t, and being afraid to set established rules and norms as prescribed by Church leadership.

The lack of backbone in the American catholic Church makes me sick.
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I do not think you are right here. Universities have a moral code and rules to live by. If this was done on campus or from a campus computer or even on a University forum then I believe they would have the right to discipline this individual. This student has not been charged with nor accused of a crime.

While we do have the right to free speech we can be held accountable for that speech.

Now if the article is correct then the school really does not have any right to act but then I do not think we have the whole story.

Where did this student access the forum from? A school computer? or maybe he used the school’s network from his dorm room?

Again, really too much infromation is missing.
 
I sincerely doubt the university knows which computer his post came from, and from what we do know as stated, it was not a university forum.

“Subhuman” may be uncharitable, but then again college kids are not the most precise in exactly matching their ideas to their words. (By the way, those on the left drench themselves in hyperbole, but they are never called on their language, because their motives are so pure.)

But how about if he said it was “unnatural,” …or “degrading”…or “an abomination”…or “against human nature?” Better yet, how about if he used them all? I don’t think he’d be wrong, and he wouldn’t be using language that has not been used within the Church to describe homosexual acts.

But I suspect the university would still think he needed their little mindbend sensitivity assignment.
 
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oldfogey:
I sincerely doubt the university knows which computer his post came from, and from what we do know as stated, it was not a university forum.
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Well, someone had to report this to the University. I work in the computer field so I may have some knowledge that other may not. If he posted on a forum then there may be a way to trace where he was posting from.

Some forums log the IP Address assigned to ones computer when they post to it. Most of them log the IP Address of the poster when they register. This is how forums, such as this one, can ban users by IP Address. It is also how some internet polls stop people from voting multiple times, in this case it logs the IP Address and only allows one vote for each.

As someone must have known who he was and complained to the University, I am sure the University has the skills or knows where to find the skills to track this down.
But how about if he said it was “unnatural,” …or “degrading”…or “an abomination”…or “against human nature?” Better yet, how about if he used them all? I don’t think he’d be wrong, and he wouldn’t be using language that has not been used within the Church to describe homosexual acts.
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We will never know because he did not use such language. The languge he used seems to be in contradiction to what the Church teaches.

Seems he has forgotten the “hate the sin not the sinner”. The use of “subhuman” to me denotes the attitued that he hates the sinner.

But again, we do not have the full story.
But I suspect the university would still think he needed their little mindbend sensitivity assignment.
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Suspect all you like but you can not know. Again we do not have the full story.

IMHO both are wrong.
 
no where does the Church teach that homosexuality is “subhuman”
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It depends what you mean by subhuman. Surely, homosexual acts are below human dignity, and are irrational and animalistic at best.

Homosexuals themselves are fully human, but he said “homosexuality” not “homosexuals”.

If he only meant the condition itself, then it was probably not the best term, though it is disordered and does not express full human complimentairy, but if it was the lifestyle called “homosexuality” that he was talking about, then “subhuman” is an apt term. All sin is subhuman…because Christ is the standard for humanity, and he had no sin.
But how about if he said it was “unnatural,” …or “degrading”…or “an abomination”…or “against human nature?”
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exactly, if he was talking about the acts and lifestyle, I think “subhuman” is just equivalent to these terms.
posting his view on an online forum not related to the university.
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If the forum was not related to the university, even if he used their computers, its really none of their business. A university, especially a Catholic one, should not be imposing a liberal agenda on the students at all, let alone in what they do in their free time outside of university functions.
 
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It depends what you mean by subhuman. Surely, homosexual acts are below human dignity, and are irrational and animalistic at best.

Homosexuals themselves are fully human, but he said “homosexuality” not “homosexuals”.

If he only meant the condition itself, then it was probably not the best term, though it is disordered and does not express full human complimentairy, but if it was the lifestyle called “homosexuality” that he was talking about, then “subhuman” is an apt term. All sin is subhuman…because Christ is the standard for humanity, and he had no sin.

exactly, if he was talking about the acts and lifestyle, I think “subhuman” is just equivalent to these terms.

If the forum was not related to the university, even if he used their computers, its really none of their business. A university, especially a Catholic one, should not be imposing a liberal agenda on the students at all, let alone in what they do in their free time outside of university functions.
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Just what I was saying today.:clapping: :amen:
 
Wake up folks. :bounce:

The university is Catholic, not public. :banghead: It is their preogative to discipline as they see fit, whether the act is on campus or across the world. There are no first amendment rights at a private school.
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harinkj:
Wake up folks. :bounce:

The university is Catholic, not public. :banghead: It is their preogative to discipline as they see fit, whether the act is on campus or across the world. There are no first amendment rights at a private school.
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Can you imagine that a small Catholic school has that many gay and lesbian students that a gay rights group was being organized? In my day at a Catholic school that student would have been taken aside quietly and helped. Times have changed and the Catholic church often gets into accepting things in the name of diversity. It is the whole problem of acceptace of differences (enev if they go against church teachings) and “what would Jesus do?” that is difficult for people of faith. The school had to censure the boy that wrote something about gays, because perhaps he was being immature and harrassing. However, someone made a good point. Would they have also assigned an essay to someone that questioned other church teachings- like perhaps on women being priests or the use of birth control? I think we all doubt that.
 
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harinkj:
Wake up folks. :bounce:

The university is Catholic, not public. :banghead: It is their preogative to discipline as they see fit, whether the act is on campus or across the world. There are no first amendment rights at a private school.
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Private maybe, but I wonder if they could prove they are Catholic. As I recall Georgetown couldn’t in a law suit a few years back.
 
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JOHNYJ:
If it wasn’t the schools computer .Than its a civil Rights matter and the school is violating the students rights he should complain to the state. Try to find a civil Rights lawyerthat will help him sue the school.
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Read what harinkj has to say. It’s definitely not a civil rights issue - but it is absurd for the school to waste its time tracking down what students say at non-affiliated forums.
Joe Kelley:
Private maybe, but I wonder if they could prove they are Catholic. As I recall Georgetown couldn’t in a law suit a few years back.
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Cite?
 
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