Dynamic Catholic Under the Microscope?

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No he is not and I do not have issue with people making money through ministry. However, his system is directly taking donor money and that is wrong. Wealth is a blessing, but his means is conflicting.

By serving the church, I meant people could be taking those donations and put them into their own parishes or other places that will make an impact. If Matthew is taking 80% as this article states then that donor money doesn’t ever come back around or really helping the mission. Get what I’m saying? Don’t get me wrong, it’s a smart biz model, but if people knew that this 80/20 ratio was how their money was being used, would they still feel comfortable supporting?
 
Yes, I did. Where is the 80% part? Can you cut and paste it here?
 
JesusSaves said:
I’m referring to the same retreat…not sure what you mean.
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Well, you posted the following about the Dynamic Catholic Welcome Weekend:
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Have you ever participated in the Dynamic Catholic Welcome Weekend? If not, you may not understand why I’m saying some of the things I am.

Once a participant, you may not participate again as a guest, but you may be on “Team” - the term used for those that run the retreat. Keep in mind - NO CLERGY members are presents during the retreat with the exception of one segment where you have the opportunity to confess and participate in a mass just for the group.

Should you discern you’d like to be on Team for the next year, everyone meets. You get a book, go home, discern your role as an individual then meet again and discern as a team. Please keep in mind, it was discerned as a group of approximately 20 people that I would be the Formation Leader.

Once roles are discerned, each person sits in a chair with the rest of the group surrounding them in a circle, hands over the head “in prayer.” That is not something that Catholics do. It’s extremely dangerous.
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In the same post, you continue on about a different retreat:
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The last New Age thing I did was called IET. It is DEMONIC. At the time, deep down I thought the concept was weird, but I was so far from our real true God, I fell into this garbage. I say it is demonic for a reason. I did NOT know until much further down the road that santantic symbols were drawn in air above my head during an “atunement” process. Would you want someone involved with santantic symbols praying over you ?
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“But what those donors may not know is that, on average, about 80 cents of every dollar donated to Dynamic Catholic ends up at a for-profit company owned by Kelly. In some years, such as 2015, more than 100 percent of the money donated went to Kelly’s businesses.”

Here you go.
 
So DynamicCatholic distributes books printed at Matt Kelly’s company to Churches. Donors pay Dynamic Catholic to pay for the printing and distribution etc. of the books to help evangelize. I don’t have a problem with that.

Would you rather they print the books at some other for profit printer?
We have no idea what Matt Kelly earns as income from his businesses, yet some like to twist facts to suit their agenda.

From the article:

“Kelly has been published by major houses, including HarperSanFrancisco (now HarperOne), the religion division of the large trade house HarperCollins Publishers, Ballantine Books, Touchstone (an imprint of Simon & Schuster) and Hudson Street Press (part of Penguin USA). But in the 1990s, Kelly decided to buy back his rights from those publishers.

He said other publishers “lacked the imagination to explore new ways to reach readers.”

“They wanted to make as much money as possible, and I wanted to reach as many people as possible with the message,” Kelly told NCR.“

What is the problem with that?
 
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Ah, that would explain it. Here is part 2 of this series. I guess there will be a part 3 coming out soon which is supposed to have more concrete evidence to support this info. Also the tax docs they refer to are all available online if you care to dig deeper. (wont let me post link, delete spaces)

http s:// www. ncronline .org/news/parish/matthew-kellys-companies-do-business-nonprofit-he-founded

Don’t take me for trying to bash him or anything, I too was positively affected by his work. I’m saddened by this news more than anything.
 
There was no “news” in the article, only the impugning of Matthew Kelly’s character, without any substantiating evidence.
 
Createknowlearn said:
I’m saddened by this news more than anything.
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After reading this info. anyone can decide for themselves whether or not they should continue to donate to Dynamic Catholic. Kelly is apparently not doing anything illegal, but if you think he’s doing something immoral then just don’t donate or buy his stuff.
 
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Those tax docs arent evidence? Seem pretty straight forward to me.
 
Saddened by the news that he runs a business that makes money?
Let me ask you this: how do you think Dynamic Catholic would be able to work if it did not get books printed to sell, or if they had to pay another for profit printer?

If they did not have Matt Kelly’s books to pay to get printed and distribute, what do you think Dynamic Catholic would need it’s donations for? Anyone that is an Ambassador knows that the money is going for books. Books need to be printed. What do I care that it is his company that makes money from printing the books?

P.S. your in post link does not work as a link.
 
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Oh, I see why that’s a little confusing.

If I had written about them in the reverse order it probably would’ve been better.

What I’m trying to illustrate, more than anything, is some of the DC concepts are not safe for a variety of reasons. Most importantly, because of the situation I was in. Meaning, having someone use symbols over my head, I didn’t know it, then praying over others.

Lay people really shouldn’t pray over someone’s head. Praying with someone is very different. Praying in a circle, fine. Praying in a circle with hands in the air, fine. Praying in a circle with hands in the air over another persons head is very risky.

I don’t think anyone at DC is trying to do anything sinister by any means. That was never the message. It’s just that when you’ve walked the straight path for most or all of your life, one may not recognize a slight deviation. When you pair a slight deviation with others who have a murky background (as in my case), it’s not wise.

Another example is initially, they planned to serve alcohol at the welcome weekend dinner. Lovely idea, I like wine. BUT, for a recovering alcoholic, dangerous. Many people turn to God for his grace to break their addictions. If you’re planning a retreat, lived a straight life as well as everyone you’re surrounded by, it may never occur to you that wine at a retreat could be a bad idea.

That’s where I’m going with what I’m saying. I hope my position makes more sense now. I have no ill will towards CD. It’s not like that.
 
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. Praying in a circle with hands in the air over another persons head is very risky.
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And yet, that is exactly what the priest sometimes asks people to do at mass for mothers on Mother’s Day, or fathers or veterans. 🤔
 
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I’m saddened by this news more than anything.
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I don’t see why…

He’s a shrewd businessman, author, speaker, and investor. He hasn’t been charged or accused of any criminal activities.

So long as everyone got what they paid for and he’s following the law, Dynamic Catholic is legitimate. Everything else is opinions and speculation.
 
I am not an ambassador. But I did hear him speak at a Catholic Church once.

“Because they told you?” Are you implying they are lying?
Why should anyone believe anyone for that matter then?

And what is wrong with making money? I assume you work or have worked for a living? You did not give your talents away for free.
 
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Evidence of what? That Dynamic Catholic, which seems to be very popular in parishes all over the U.S., is a profitable company?

What are your expectations for Matthew Kelly? He’s a successful businessman who has created a company that produces solid Catholic books and programs.

I have no idea how Dynamic Catholic is run, but I do see the boxes and boxes of books that my parish buys from him for less than $1 per book.

Again, this is a pure attack on someone who appears to be a good man - maybe that’s his true sin.
 
Its not a company… Its a mission driven ministry. I would have no issue if he presented it that way, but then he couldn’t receive donations. It is not a business. Its a NPO that takes donations and feeds his for profit businesses per the article, which if true, yes I feel that is wrong.

If untrue, then yes this would be an attack, but it seems to be leaning more toward truth than slander at this point.
 
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