E. Michael Jones and Judaism

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Hey guys, I’ve been checking out a lot of E. Michael Jones’ content these days and while I appreciate a lot of what he has to say, I am a little off-put by the fact that he has a aura of anti-Semitism around him. I’m really just wanting to hear your thoughts on him and whether or not this charge is true. Thanks!
 
I’m not familiar with Jones but some of what (name removed by moderator) says is true. If you want the ugly side of Judaism look up the author Israel Shahak, an Israeli intellectual.
 
This isn’t really accurate.

I will address the latter part of your post first. Jewish law prohibits discrimination against covert Jews by born Jews and does not consider born Jews to be more Jewish than convert Jews.

For the first part of your post, one must remember that Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion (an ethno-religion), and so has cultural/religious rules regarding how Judaism is transmitted from one generation to another. It is my understanding that the transmission of Judaism is matrilineal, meaning that, as you said, one is a Jew if one’s mother is Jewish. However, some communities of Syrian Jews are stricter and would not consider someone a Jew unless both parents are Jewish, perhaps because of influence by the Druze, a fellow Mid-Eastern ethno-religious group which does not allow conversion and which generally practices strict endogamy.

Second, Judaism is not a proselytising religion and does not actively seek converts. Jewish rabbis reject a potential convert thrice before allowing him/her to begin the process of conversion, which is deliberately long and frustrating. This may give the impression of being exclusivist, but one would find it quite understandable considering that Judaism triples as an ethnicity, religion, and culture and that convert Jews are joining the Jewish ethnic group as well as the Jewish religion.

I may be misunderstanding your post, but I don’t see how this makes Jews elitist. I hope my explanation has cleared up any misconceptions on your part.

If I’ve misunderstood your meaning, I duly apologize.

I’m not Jewish, so allow me to tag @Pattylt so that she can look over my post in case I’ve made a mistake somewhere. Thanks, Patty!
 
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The problem these days is that the anti-semitism label is so easily used to label anyone that happens to criticize Zionism or Jewish groups, a label that has become a tool to shut anyone up that raises legitimate criticism. Prof. Norman Finkelstein drills into the subject matter in his book Holocaust Industry. Here’s a talk he gave to a group of Marxists at the Communist University in Great Britain about the subject:

 
Props for citing Norman Finkelstein. No one will listen, though.
 
@Salibi is right that Jewish law mandates the acceptance of converts. I will add though that people are people. Judaism isn’t a religion that gets many converts, nor do they seek them. So, a new convert will sometimes cause a few to whisper behind their backs at first. Note, I said few…we have our gossips as does everyone. It isn’t that they don’t really accept them, it’s more that they are cautious about them. Usually, this disappears quickly and as they learn the ultra secret Yiddish words and use them correctly, all is good /s. 😂

After all, they are a persecuted religion that doesn’t evangelize. Natural curiosity would cause anyone in that situation to question motives at first. Obviously, any male that has to undergo circumcision or be recircumsized is dedicated to the new faith…and is accepted as such.
 
They do a little snip. Really! Just a wee bit is removed. Whatever else Judaism is, it isn’t one men tend to flock to. St. Paul recognized the problem quite well! 🤣
 
Actually, among some nationalities, the Catholic (or Orthodox) Faith is so interwoven with cultural identity, and even ethnicity, that it might very well be described as an “ethnic cultural religion”. Poland and Greece immediately come to mind. You could also think of Ireland, Quebec, the Latin American countries, and to some extent, the Philippines as being “culturally Catholic countries”, though sadly all of these are diminishing. As I understand it, in Quebec, it happened basically overnight for some inexplicable reason.
 
I think it’s worth mentioning that whenever Jones refers to the “Jews”, he is referring to a very particular group of people, not all Jews in general.
 
Which folks go to the extreme of saying “both parents must be Jewish” for you to be considered Jewish? None that I know of. Judaism by birth is dependent ONLY on the mother. In Reform Judaism, either the mother or the father. And since when are converts not accepted according to Judaism? They certainly are; but they must be sincere in that they must understand what their responsibilities are as Jews. Second-class Jews if they are converts? Maybe some ignorant Jews hold this belief, but it is not part of the religious teaching at all. And if you want to learn about Judaism, why not go to the source, that is, Jewish websites, rather than to those who converted to other religions?
 
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In some cases, that may be true. But what I was implying is that those who left Judaism may have an axe to grind (same for those who leave Catholicism or any other religion), whereas those who are satisfied with their own faith will generally tell it like it is.
 
Even among the ultra-Orthodox Jews (considered a pejorative term within the community, btw), this is not, and should not, be the case. Being fully Jewish depends only on the mother, not the father, except for converts. This is part of Jewish law. If you heard otherwise, the people who said so are ignorant of their own religion.
 
Hatafas dam bris (recircumcision) is when they pierce what remains (not the glans). It’s a pin prick, just enough to draw blood.
 
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Yup. Better that than a late in life bris though. The worst part is giving up bacon cheeseburgers.
 
I see several folks defending Jones on the grounds that he’s only speaking of extreme Zionism. Unfortunately, this isn’t the case. He frequently uses the generalized term “Jews” and makes bigoted comments like these:
  • “If it weren’t for Jews, we would not have abortion in this country."
  • "[This has] been going on since the foot of the cross when the Jews murdered Jesus Christ and they turned on logos, logos incarnate. They’ve been waging this battle against logos for the entire human history.”
  • "The current scandals are being orchestrated by the church’s traditional enemies – Protestants and Jews – in order to destroy traditional cultures and make the world safe for capitalism and the universal rule of mammon.”
  • “You have undermined the moral order and now don’t be surprised if people start acting out their aggression towards you,” Jones warned Jews after the Pittsburgh shooting, “And don’t blame me.”
Many of these comments use ancient antisemitic tropes. All of them are disgusting. Jones’ antisemitism is undeniable.

 
I had never even heard of him, and now am glad I hadn’t. Sounds typical of those who use Zionism as a smokescreen for anti-Semitism, except he goes beyond that.
 
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Yeah, the thing about Jones is that he’s really good on some topics (from what I’ve been able to tell), but also has some serious issues such as anti-Semitism and some of his sensationalized stuff.
 
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Yeah, the thing about Jones is that he’s really good on some topics (from what I’ve been able to tell), but also has some serious issues such as anti-Semitism and some of his sensationalized stuff.
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Is it possible he is ‘really good on some topics’ in order to attract Catholics and build support for his anti-Jewish views’?
 
The John Birch Society is not all that “out there”. Granted, they’re conservative, very conservative, but they are not as extreme as people think they are. I’ve known Birchers, fine people, good patriotic Americans, solid citizens, the type of people you’d want for neighbors.

And by the way, they have zero tolerance on anti-Semitism. Not even the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) accuses them of that, and if there were anti-Semitism anywhere to be found, be assured the SPLC would find it.


 
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