I think one would do well to distinguish between criticism of Judaism and Jewish people (the latter is stretching it, as I don’t see why it should be acceptable to criticize a group of people for being) and the propagation of false, conspirational, devoid-of-fact tropes like “Jews (as in, the entire Jewish nation) are in a conspiracy against the Church” or “Jews kidnap Christian children and poison wells”, or whatever.
Again, you’re offering a red herring. No one here is claiming any group is exempt from criticism. What’s being (rightly) denounced are the generalizations made about all Jews.
Please stop making assumptions to what I personally believe or not based on hypothetical questions made to OP.
I was going to leave this alone. But as you seem to be making statements and selectively backing away from them, I’ll note that what you’ve included above is an ad hominem and is therefore irrational.
It’s called nuanced. People prefer black and white outlooks, but I can’t subscribe to that.
An analogy is a comparsion of an idea. None of the characteristics associated with my analogy is meant to be attributed to the persons involved, only the idea. If the first thing that comes to mind is an ad hominem, perhaps the mentioning of irrationally is quite ironic in this case.
This is an internet forum. What you write is all anyone has to reference. If you want nuance to be read into your comments, include it.gracepoole:
It’s called nuanced. People prefer black and white outlooks, but I can’t subscribe to that.
I suggest a quick examination of definitions of ad hominem online. They aren’t only offered against individuals: they frequently are offered against corporations, governments, etc. So we’re back to your criticism of the source I offered being an ad hominem. At least that’s the generous reading of your criticism.gracepoole:
An analogy is a comparsion of an idea. None of the characteristics associated with my analogy is meant to be attributed to the persons involved, only the idea. If the first thing that comes to mind is an ad hominem, perhaps the mentioning of irrationally is quite ironic in this case.
It didn’t take long for the typical innuendos to be slung around, even in a topic highlighting such disingenuous tactics. Pretty uncharitable.
At least you agree you’re being uncharitable.
I answered the OP question directly by giving an honest view. You have taken it upon yourself to lead this inquisition against me because I don’t agree with everything you say. Due to this, where there’s ambiguity in my comments, you’ve decided to fill it with innuendos and assumptions, instead of asking for clarifications. Where there is clarify in my remarks, you’ve twisted their meaning or intentionally avoided them because they don’t suit your purpose - as the last quote where you dissected the sentence before and after in order to higlight a phrase taken out of context.
Um, it’s a question, not an assumption.FiveLinden:
Please stop making assumptions to what I personally believe or not based on hypothetical questions made to OP
nonsense. The problem is that people have been conditioned to be silenced to not dare to criticize anything that squarely deserves criticism, and such characters run for panic buttons and begin labeling people for simply speaking facts. To illustrate the conditioning, try for example to publicly criticize a gay pride Parade and see what you are labeled; you may even lose your job. I don’t hear the same people saying a peep when Palestinians are criticized, or have a fit when Catholics and Christians are criticized for historical events.
This thread isn’t about Zionism. As has been demonstrated, Jones doesn’t limit his comments about Jews to those whom he deems Zionists. This thread, then, isn’t about people who criticize Zionism and are “silenced” for doing so, people losing their jobs for criticizing gay pride parades, etc.gracepoole:
nonsense. The problem is that people have been conditioned to be silenced to not dare to criticize anything that squarely deserves criticism, and such characters run for panic buttons and begin labeling people for simply speaking facts. To illustrate the conditioning, try for example to publicly criticize a gay pride Parade and see what you are labeled; you may even lose your job. I don’t hear the same people saying a peep when Palestinians are criticized, or have a fit when Catholics and Christians are criticized for historical events.
The quotes included in this thread demonstrate that Jones believes Jews are responsible for abortion in the U.S., Jews were responsible for the death of Christ, Jews are “destroy[ing] traditional cultures,” and that Jews have “undermined the moral order” and therefore shouldn’t be surprised when a shooting in a synagogue takes place. This isn’t “criticizing Jewish people.” It’s blatant antisemitism. A panic button should most definitely be pressed when these sorts of statements are read.
