E. Michael Jones and Judaism

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The point Jones makes is that the rebellious spirit of anti-Christ today is same spirit that was behind the rejection of God incarnate (Jesus Christ) in the New Testament. That rejection of the Logos by the Chosen People (“the Jews”) has translated to historical ideologies and movements that reject the The Logos.

Jones is countering the false idea proposed by the likes of Roy Eckardt and others who assert that the foundation of anti-semitism and the ultimate responsibility for the Holocaust is the New Testament itself.

While it is certainly true that if you search “the Jews” in an online New Testament you will get a multitude of quotes about “the Jews” as a group, including how “the Jews” plotted to kill Jesus Christ and how “the Jews” demanded the death of Jesus Christ, and how “the Jews” crucified Christ, etc. This certainly does not mean the New Testament is “anti-Semitic”.

Jone’s thesis unpacks a spiritual dimension to the rejection of the Logos (The Word made flesh) which has led ti revolutionary movements throughout history.

While you are allowed to speak and criticize “the Chinese” or “the Romans”, “the British”, “the Catholics”, “the Palestinians”, “the Aztecs”, “The Crusades” “The Spanish Inquisition”, etc. you cannot say anything about “The Jews” without being labeled an anti Semite.

Tension between “the Jews” and peoples they encountered after the diaspora can be illustrated with the hatred that exists between the Palestinians and the Jews today, an animosity which has nothing to do with the New Testament, but everything to do with what Anna Baltzer, Mike Peled, Norman Finkelstein and Rabbi David Weiss exposed in the videos posted earlier in this thread.

The automatic besmirching someone as an “anti-Semite” is the product of what Finkelstein describes as the Holocaust Industry, psychological warfare that quashes any criticism in the public forum by using the Holocaust as a bully pulpit. Finkelstein lints to the saturation of Holocaust movies coming from Hollywood to ingrain this in the minds of the masses.

As for “the Jews” in Scripture, the term strings throughout the New Testament. In Revelation, it speaks about people who will call themselves “Jews” but are not actually Jews, (Rev. 3:9, Rev. 2:9) and instead calls them the Synagogue of Satan and liars. Today it is the Orthodox Jews who accuse the Zionists of hijacking Judaism as a facade to claim political regions in the name of Judaism,
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The condemnation of Zionism is widespread among Orthodix Jews. For example, read what this Rabbi says

Here is an excerpt from Rabbi Cohen:

The apparent connection between Judaism and Zionism is false. The connection has been nurtured by the Zionists in order to ensnare as many Jews as possible within their net. The very name “Israel” which originally meant what are known as the Children of Israel i.e. the Jewish People was usurped by the Zionists. For this reason many orthodox Jews avoid referring to the Zionist State by the name ’Israel’.
 
People with an obsession about Jews do tend towards overplaying their hands. They rarely seem to realise that they soon reveal more about themselves than the objects of their hatred.
 
He could probably argue his case with historical facts as to why he made those statements; it doesn’t mean he’s “anti-anything”. There are people who accuse the New Testament, as offensive and “anti-semitic” because the New Testament is replete with references to “the Jews”. Would you conclude that the New Testament is antisemitic?

The term “anti-Semitic” was coined in 19th century Germany and was used to describe those who had hostility and prejudice against Jews, and discriminated against them for merely being Jewish.

Pointing out good or bad cultural, political or societal impacts of movements spearheaded by “the Chinese” or “the Etruscans” or ”the Christians” or “the Jews”, or whomever, is one thing; it’s quite another thing to discriminate against those groups based on their ethic or religious identity. The antisemitic label has been so abused and misused, just like the term “homophobe” and “racist” has become a political tool to silence criticism or to besmirch those who oppose agendas.
Real hostility, prejudice, discrimination and injustice exists today against the Palestinian people at the hands of the Zionists in Israel. Real hostility and discrimination and murderous activity is happening against the Falun Gong and other groups at the hands of the Chinese in power in China; now there’s something worth being concerned about.
 
I’m not understanding why you are so keen to defend somebody who is about as blatant an anti-Semite as there is. Even in the one article that I posted (there are many more if you care to read them), he resorts to every anti-Semitic trope and conspiracy theory in the book: Jews are morally degenerate, Jews are sexually perverted, Jews control entertainment/the media, Jews control international finance, Jews are engaged in a plot to take over whole countries/the world, the Nazis were actually brought to power by the Jews. It’s really not hard to understand. You do not need to be an expert in the history of anti-Semitism to know that that’s what Jones is.
 
It is as mistaken to label all Jews as evil, perverse, and wanting to undermine society as it is to label, say, Catholics or Christians in general as bad people. There are plenty of people in all religious systems and groups who have acted evilly and we should definitely call them out on that. However, from what I’ve been able to tell, Jones really sensationalizes things and commits the fallacy of part-to-whole when he thinks that all Jews (whether apparent or not) harbor evil thoughts and want to undermine society. While as a Catholic I believe that Judaism is not the true religion, I do not hate Jews, nor do I believe false things about them.
 
Why does it matter if “The Jews” own or run Hollywood?” Why would saying that make anyone an anti-Semite? It’s no secret that most of the power players in Hollywood are Jewish. here is Marlon Brando saying it:

And here is a video produced by Jews about the Jewish domination of Hollywood since the start through today and how they have permeated every aspect of the entertainment industry, and rightly so, they are proud of it. Please watch it:


The fact that Jew are prominent and have dominated in Hollywood as well as in banking is no secret. Why is stating the facts being ”antisemitic”? If anything, kudos to ”The Jews” for being industrious, creative and and hard working. What is remarkable about the Jewish people is that they are a tiny percent of the world’s population yet have had the drive to survive and succeed and make an impact on the world more than any other group on earth. What is even more remarkable is that they see themselves as a tribe, regardless if they are religious or not. After all they were THE Chosen People of God, and the Creator of the universe chose them to reveal Himself to humanity. THE Jews, were the vessel for the Incarnation, through whom God came into the world and became Man in Jesus Christ. THE Jews play a central role in the unfolding of history, and the fact that God Almighty came into the world as a Jew, and all the apostles and original Christians were Jewish has everything to do with God’s Divine Plan, which continues to unfold.

It is St. Paul and The official teaching of the Catholic Church who teach that right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the Jewish people will convert en masse to Christ, fulfilling St. St. Paul’s prophecy— It’s in the Scriptures and in the Catechism. Thus THE Jews have played and will play a prominent role in the course of history until the end of time.

But the idea that criticizing the influence the Jews, and specifically the Zionists is automatically “anti-Semitic” is simply preposterous. Today it is a fact that there is great influence by the Zionist movement within Judaism, and they exercise powerful influence, for better or for worse, in politics and the economy, and I see no reason why they should be above criticism. Finkelstein’s book The Holocaust Industry drills into the abuse of the term anti-Semite as a means to quash criticism.
 
Gab123 said:
Why does it matter if “The Jews” own or run Hollywood?” Why would saying that make anyone an anti-Semite?
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Because it’s a common anti-Semitic canard. Jones, and others like him, do not make the assertion in a morally neutral way. The idea that Jews control the media and entertainment industries is always introduced in such a way as to suggest that they have malign agenda and use their disproportionate influence to serve their own ends. In fact, even if a disproportionate number of Jewish people do work in these fields, there is no evidence that they do so for the purpose of advancing Jewish interests. Indeed, quite the opposite seems to be the case.

The same goes for finance. The suggestion is never that Jews should simply be praised for their contribution to the economy. The suggestion is always that Jews are greedy and self-serving and that they dominate finance for their own benefit and to the detriment of everyone else.
 
Gab123 said:
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Yikes dude, you might want to take a step back and review what you just said.
 
ImQuiet said:
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Gab123:
Why does it matter if “The Jews” own or run Hollywood?” Why would saying that make anyone an anti-Semite?
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Yikes dude, you might want to take a step back and review what you just said.
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Dude, watch the video below, where Jewish people explain how Hollywood is owned and dominated by Jewish people:

 
Actually, it is different. The history of antisemitism and attempts to destroy an entire people mean there have been centuries of persecutory comments, falsehoods and persecutory acts that have been unique in their intensity, persistence, and frequency.

Worse, the comments attributed to him by Grace appear to directly recapitulate and hearken back to this history. Such comments have historically and continue to fuel persecution of these groups. Thus they are not “ordinary criticisms.”
 
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Because, for the Jewish people specifically, there is a history and context in which this specific language has been part of a broader conversation to engage in persecutory behavior towards them.
 
Are you saying Marlon Brando was being antisemitic when he said “the Jews” owned and run Hollywood in the video below? If so, why does that statement make him antisemitic?
 
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So now I’m confused. The Genesis Prize Foundation, which fosters Jewish identity to inspire Jewish pride and achievement, produced the documentary (posted earlier) explaining how “Jews own and dominate Hollywood”. Yet Brando comes out and says that Jews own and dominate Hollywood and he gets besmirched by The Jewish Defense League, who sent him a letter entitled "Message to the Godfather of Hate" - “You gladly take money from Hollywood producers and then vilify the industry with slanderous accusations of anti-Semitic vulgarities.”

How can they be slanderous accusations when the Genesis Foundation said exactly what Brando said? I think the article only helps illustrates Prof. Norman Finkelstein’s point. the whole thing kind of reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where uncle Leo sees antisemitism everywhere

 
He’s a Catholic author. Among his writing he’s addresses the topic of “the Jews” in the context of being the Chosen People of God through whom God came into human history. Jone’s thesis unpacks a spiritual and historical dimension and the impact of the rejection of the Logos (The Word made flesh) by the Chosen People which, according to Jones, has been the foundation to ideologies and revolutionary movements throughout history. Jones counters the false idea proposed by the likes of Roy Eckardt and others who assert that the foundation of anti-semitism and the ultimate responsibility for the Holocaust is the New Testament itself. Controversial topics indeed, though he tackles them nonetheless. Here he’s talking about the Logos:
 
I see that from time to time a topic about E Michael Jones comes up on here.

I find some of his videos and writings quite informative personally. If you look past the Jewish thing (I know for some it is hard to do) there is actually quite a lot of interesting stuff to learn.

As for his take on Jews, I think the best way to get a clearer idea of his thoughts is simply to read his book ‘The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit’. A lot of what he says in interviews with people online now are basically things he has covered in that book.

If I were to try and some up the book (not easy to do as it’s about 900 pages), the main idea centres around Christ being the logos, and the Jews rejecting the logos on earth, and pretty much ever since then being in a revolution against God by pushing or heavily supporting anti-God things like gay marriage, abortion etc.

I don’t think he ever suggests that if you are Jewish you are by DNA part of the problem, but he does believe there is a heavy Jewish hand behind a lot of the evils of the world, stemming from their rejection of Christ 2000 years ago.

Make of that what you will.
 
Polak said:
I don’t think he ever suggests that if you are Jewish you are by DNA part of the problem, but he does believe there is a heavy Jewish hand behind a lot of the evils of the world, stemming from their rejection of Christ 2000 years ago.

Make of that what you will.
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That’s literally antisemitism. Like, textbook antisemitism. That’s essentially the reasoning the Nazis used when persecuting the Jews IIRC (someone correct me if I’m wrong about that).
 
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