Early islamic historians, how important are they to muslims?

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Servant19 said:
Yes there was Martin.

It was Muhammad. Muhammad’s human name at the time was Jesus “at the time”, and He was the main Islamic scholar prior to 600AD. At the time when He produced His scholarly works, there was no other name on heaven and earth which provided Islamic scholarship.

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Can you provide a link for these Islamic scholars before 600 AD?
 
Servant19 said:
Yes there was Martin.

It was Muhammad. Muhammad’s human name at the time was Jesus “at the time”, and He was the main Islamic scholar prior to 600AD. At the time when He produced His scholarly works, there was no other name on heaven and earth which provided Islamic scholarship.

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Tony said there wasn’t.

Plus your paradigm is all over the place " there was no other name" is a mixing up of who Jesus is :

"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name. " :eek:

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Tony said there wasn’t.

Plus your paradigm is all over the place " there was no other name" is a mixing up of who Jesus is :

"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name. " :eek:

MJ
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This is only included as a preface to Tony’s comment because you introduced the concept that Jesus was a scholar.

If that is your thinking, then I appreciate what you say and conclude that Muhammad was also a scholar, based on the framework you present with Jesus.

Generally I would disagree that Jesus was a scholar. As I would with Muhammad, but if that is your paradigm, then we can go along with it 🙂

Scholarship is acquired knowledge through education and study and research. Neither Jesus or Muhammad were strictly speaking, therefore, scholars.

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MartinJordan said:
Tony said there wasn’t.MJ
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My View not always the full picture, that would be because of “frame of reference”.

I keep using that term as all need to study it.

I was not thinking the same as servant at the time.

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
JimmyDFG said:
Can you provide a link for these Islamic scholars before 600 AD?
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Not just a scholar, but even more so, a Prophet.

Prophet Muhammad was the first and the last Prophet:

lastprophet.info/muhammad-the-first-and-the-last-prophet

…meaning He was a teacher, a scholar, a Prophet long before 600AD

Tony was given this knowledge through prayer and meditation. Just shows what sincere praying and quiet reflection can give you, especially when you have access to the unsealed Books 🙂

You’re an inspiration Tony!

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TonyBS said:
Jimmy - Yes - It is called Prayer and Meditation, not all comes from pressing links to web sites 😉

Regards Tony
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The same can be said when the Baha’i claim communication and technology bit. Funny 👍
 
Servant19 said:
Not just a scholar, but even more so, a Prophet.

Prophet Muhammad was the first and the last Prophet:

lastprophet.info/muhammad-the-first-and-the-last-prophet

…meaning He was a teacher, a scholar, a Prophet long before 600AD

Tony was given this knowledge through prayer and meditation. Just shows what sincere praying and quiet reflection can give you, especially when you have access to the unsealed Books 🙂

You’re an inspiration Tony!

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So Abraham was not the first prophet? So islam rewrites Biblical history to fit its own agenda.

Once again Servant, I’ll need an outside source of islam saying otherwise. Because if not its only one sided.
 
Servant19 said:
This is only included as a preface to Tony’s comment because you introduced the concept that Jesus was a scholar.

If that is your thinking, then I appreciate what you say and conclude that Muhammad was also a scholar, based on the framework you present with Jesus.

Generally I would disagree that Jesus was a scholar. As I would with Muhammad, but if that is your paradigm, then we can go along with it 🙂

Scholarship is acquired knowledge through education and study and research. Neither Jesus or Muhammad were strictly speaking, therefore, scholars.

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No. Jesus is God and Man. He is the Scholar of Scholars if you will (he knows everything). That’s what I meant. God Himself.

Mohammed? No.

MJ
 
JimmyDFG said:
So Abraham was not the first prophet? So islam rewrites Biblical history to fit its own agenda.

Once again Servant, I’ll need an outside source of islam saying otherwise. Because if not its only one sided.
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Hi Jimmy,

It is not that Prophet Muhammad was actually a re-incarnation of Abraham when He says He was the first Prophet. It simply means that the light of God which shines through Muhammad also shone through Abraham.

It is the LIGHT which is the source of scholarship, innate knowledge born from God.

Please continue to read and grasp the meaning of what that link says.

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MartinJordan said:
No. Jesus is God and Man. He is the Scholar of Scholars if you will (he knows everything). That’s what I meant. God Himself.

Mohammed? No.

MJ
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I beg to differ. Muhammad and the Bab and Baha’u’llah had innate knowledge.

Baha’u’llah specifically states that whenever He wished to, the pages of all the Holy Books were opened before His eyes at will.

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Servant19 said:
I beg to differ. Muhammad and the Bab and Baha’u’llah had innate knowledge.

Baha’u’llah specifically states that whenever He wished to, the pages of all the Holy Books were opened before His eyes at will.

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So both are not incomprehensible like God.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
I beg to differ. Muhammad and the Bab and Baha’u’llah had innate knowledge.

Baha’u’llah specifically states that whenever He wished to, the pages of all the Holy Books were opened before His eyes at will.

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Is this how he “broke” the seals in Revelation?
 
JimmyDFG said:
Is this how he “broke” the seals in Revelation?
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It is well known and established even by the enemies of the Baha’i Faith that the supreme knowledge of the Bab and Baha’u’llah was not acquired through any education or schooling of any kind.

The Bab was sent to school but was sent home immediately because He unknowingly embarrassed the teacher by His innate knowledge. Much to the disdain of his uncle who was His guardian at the time

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Servant19 said:
It is well known and established even by the enemies of the Baha’i Faith that the supreme knowledge of the Bab and Baha’u’llah was not acquired through any education or schooling of any kind.

The Bab was sent to school but was sent home immediately because He unknowingly embarrassed the teacher by His innate knowledge. Much to the disdain of his uncle who was His guardian at the time

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Where did the Bab get his “knowledge” from as stated in Promulgation of Universal Peace, p.308 about the "The savage tribes of central Africa "
 
JimmyDFG said:
Where did the Bab get his “knowledge” from as stated in Promulgation of Universal Peace, p.308 about the "The savage tribes of central Africa "
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The Promulgation of Universal Peace was not written by the Bab 🤷

I sense you are on a Phariseeical mission of epic proportions. I feel something brewing in your posts, but please carry on…there is a reasonable and rational answer to everything 🙂

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Servant19 said:
The Promulgation of Universal Peace was not written by the Bab 🤷

I sense you are on a Phariseeical mission of epic proportions. I feel something brewing in your posts, but please carry on…there is a reasonable and rational answer to everything 🙂

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Sorry, Abdu’l-Baha wrote it
 
Servant19 said:
I beg to differ. Muhammad and the Bab and Baha’u’llah had innate knowledge.

Baha’u’llah specifically states that whenever He wished to, the pages of all the Holy Books were opened before His eyes at will.

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The Bible is our Holy Book, put together by the Church. It was God’s Will to inspire men of Good will through inspiration of the Holy Spirit (The Spirit of Christ) to discern (and compile this story of Love and suffering which culminates to Joy, which we proclaim and promised to us for Eternity ) into words for The Church.

MJ
 
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