Early islamic historians, how important are they to muslims?

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Servant19 said:
Oh dear Lord Jimmy.

Come on. This is getting to new levels of imagination.

There was nothing but humility in ALL aspects of Baha’u’llah’s life.

His Apostles learnt humility from Him. If anyone was to praise His Apostles for all the services they had done to mankind, they were known to cry from embarrassment.

Please…

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Christian saints had no humility in ALL aspects of their lives?
 
JimmyDFG said:
Christian saints had no humility in ALL aspects of their lives?
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We are not talking about Christian saints

Why confuse the issue, which revolves around your poorly educated criticism and judgmentalism of Baha’u’llah ?

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Servant19 said:
We are not talking about Christian saints

Why confuse the issue, which revolves around your poorly educated criticism and judgmentalism of Baha’u’llah ?

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Lol Servant, Why are you here? From what I’ve seen you’re here to inform that we’re in error …and to further spread bahaism
 
Servant19 said:
We are not talking about Christian saints

Why confuse the issue, which revolves around your poorly educated criticism and judgmentalism of Baha’u’llah ?

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I could say the same for you. But this tread isn’t about Baha’u’llah either. I’ll say you’re poorly educated about Christianity
 
JimmyDFG said:
The quran already warning of corruption within itself before the death of muhammad
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The Quran only accepts itself as the truth and Word of God not any man made hadiths but many Muslims now almost worship hadiths and ignore the Quran or use a man made Hadith to interpret the Quran.
 
JimmyDFG said:
I could say the same for you. But this tread isn’t about Baha’u’llah either. I’ll say you’re poorly educated about Christianity
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And yet I love Jesus as God, with all my heart and all my soul.

That’s the difference 🙂

Love…

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worldcitizen said:
The Quran only accepts itself as the truth and Word of God not any man made hadiths but many Muslims now almost worship hadiths and ignore the Quran or use a man made Hadith to interpret the Quran.
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Are you implying many muslims are worshipping muhammad
 
worldcitizen said:
The Quran only accepts itself as the truth and Word of God not any man made hadiths but many Muslims now almost worship hadiths and ignore the Quran or use a man made Hadith to interpret the Quran.
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The quran contradicts the Bible. So how can it be the truth?
Because you believe its truth, doesn’t meaning its true
 
JimmyDFG said:
I can disprove this…
Revelation 19:16
On his cloak and on his thigh a name was written: King of kings and Lord of lords (referring to Jesus)

(Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224) Mohammed said, “The most awful name in Allah’s sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the King of kings).”
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King Of Kings is for God, this title is not for the creation, that is for the Creator, Praise and glory be to Him.
JimmyDFG said:
So many muslims worship collections of reports claiming to quote what the prophet muhammad said verbatim on any matter.Correct?
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We do not worship Hadits in any shape or form, there are keys to authenticate the Hadits.
A- The most important one is the Book ( The Qur’an ).
Any Hadit that goes against the Qur’an is false.
B- The chain of narration.
 
JimmyDFG said:
The quran contradicts the Bible. So how can it be the truth?
Because you believe its truth, doesn’t meaning its true
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The very fact that there is a recognised two-fold nature to Jesus (and all Manifestations of God) is a part of this seeming contradiction.

Then we also have a two-fold LANGUAGE challenge to overcome too, literal meaning and spiritual/symbolic meaning.

The whole point of religion is to test the purity of the human heart when faced with these sorts of “seeming contradictions”…to see, when presented with these challenges, if we choose to love and respect, or hate and disrespect…

Do you see the love of God in ALL things, fellow friends?

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GUNNER7070 said:
King Of Kings is for God, this title is not for the creation, that is for the Creator, Praise and glory be to Him.
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Correct. Jesus is God. And he is the Creator. King of Kings Lord of Lords.

I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Amen.
We do not worship Hadits in any shape or form, there are keys to authenticate the Hadits.
A- The most important one is the Book ( The Qur’an ).
Any Hadit that goes against the Qur’an is false.
B- The chain of narration.
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Fair enough. If that your Faith we believe you. 🙂

MJ
 
GUNNER7070 said:
King Of Kings is for God, this title is not for the creation, that is for the Creator, Praise and glory be to Him.
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I would say that if God is unknowable, and incomprehensible, then calling Him names and titles makes Him knowable and comprehensible.

King of Kings is not the title of God. God is beyond titles and names.

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Servant19 said:
I would say that if God is unknowable, and incomprehensible, then calling Him names and titles makes Him knowable and comprehensible.

King of Kings is not the title of God. God is beyond titles and names.

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And with that You’ve rejected the Scripture the Church put together for the Church.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
I would say that if God is unknowable, and incomprehensible, then calling Him names and titles makes Him knowable and comprehensible.

King of Kings is not the title of God. God is beyond titles and names.

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Thank you Servant19.
I can not Call Names and attributes To God ( All praise is for Him and above all attributes that do not suit His Majesty), That He Him Self did not call or attribute or what His Prophet Peace Be Upon Him did not call or attribute to God.

Qur’an 7-33:
Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He has given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.

We can only know what Allah ( Praise and glory be to Him ) attributed to Him self but not the unknown which He Him self only Knows.
 
GUNNER7070 said:
Thank you Servant19.
I can not Call Names and attributes To God ( All praise is for Him and above all attributes that do not suit His Majesty), That He Him Self did not call or attribute or what His Prophet Peace Be Upon Him did not call or attribute to God.

Qur’an 7-33:
Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He has given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.

We can only know what Allah ( Praise and glory be to Him ) attributed to Him self but not the unknown which He Him self only Knows.
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What an excellent and astute correlation to the Quran!! Beautiful 🙂

In this regard therefore, Who is the King of Kings referring to, if it not be Allah?

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