Early islamic historians, how important are they to muslims?

[worldcitizen]

John 1:29

29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

John 1:36

36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

1 Peter 1:19

19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

Revelation 5:2

And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”

9 And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

Revelation 5:12

12 In a loud voice they were saying:

“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”

Worldcitizen, Im beginning to feel you don’t care about Jesus.

MJ

I take Jesus Himself as witness of my love for Him. I care that He is not rejected again as He was the first time. I understand the Lamb of God in some instances to be referring to the Bab as Revelation is speaking of a ‘new song’. And Also to Baha’u’llah.

New Name, New Song, New Heaven and a New Earth and New Jerusalem and all things made New. All in The Apocalypse telling us there will be New things that all things will be made New. This clearly, indisputably and unambiguously proves to myself that it signifies a New Covenant and New Revelation from God.

That’s my unshakeable view but you are free to have your own view of course.

 

[MartinJordan]

I take Jesus Himself as witness of my love for Him. I care that He is not rejected again as He was the first time. I understand the Lamb of God in some instances to be referring to the Bab as Revelation is speaking of a ‘new song’. And Also to Baha’u’llah.

New Name, New Song, New Heaven and a New Earth and New Jerusalem and all things made New. All in The Apocalypse telling us there will be New things that all things will be made New. This clearly, indisputably and unambiguously proves to myself that it signifies a New Covenant and New Revelation from God.

That’s my unshakeable view but you are free to have your own view of course.

That’s quite perplexing. It not for me to say it’s my own view. That’s just baseless because I follow Church teachings. Not my will but God’s will

But first,

It’s our Bible. You know very well that without the experience being with Jesus those who wrote the Gospels and John who was the disciple Jesus loved who had an intimate relationship with Jesus was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write down his Gospel and visions in Revelation. We till today teach children that we must have an intimate relationship with Jesus because only through him we can come to the Father.

So did you really understand the Mass? Can you state right here you actually understood it?

In fact there is a big clue I’ve revealed about the Mass. So if you can spot it tell it here.

Now next point:

Even when you mention Revelation that St. John wrote as prisoner in Patmos, was all due to his witnessing of Jesus suffering and devotion to Jesus. Don’t forget John was given Jesus’ mother because Jesus himself told him to take care of her as his own mother. I don’t know what is more affectionate than trusting him this much What a wonderful gesture by God Himself!

Revelation 11-12 becomes even more special when John talks about the woman. It was the name even Jesus called her, someone so full of Grace perfect to carry the Lord of Life in her womb and even bring him up according to the Jewish custom. Even when Angel Gabriel visited her called he called "Hail full of Grace " she was Holy fully that no need to mention her name. God’s ways are beyond human comprehension. What an awesome God . King of Kings Lord of Lords! Amen!

Now I want to get back to your experience when you were Catholic so you proclaim. You said how much you learned and how beautiful it all was then you went away for whatever reason for 5 years. My concern right now is how you left it all behind despite taking communion, knew the Sacraments and even doing the Stations of the Cross.

If all this was amazing and beautiful but you later changed views in a way that is quite puzzling. You took Communion but how did you go ahead with it by later using John 4 as something that disbelieve the actual flesh and blood and made it as a metaphor. What happened to going further into John 5 and 6 and so on. Can you elaborate how John 4 became the only point for you not to accept the Catholic understanding? Why not be more precise by continuing to next chapters?

Please be forthright. Want to hear from you.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[worldcitizen]

That’s quite perplexing. It not for me to say it’s my own view. That’s just baseless because I follow Church teachings. Not my will but God’s will

But first,

It’s our Bible. You know very well that without the experience being with Jesus those who wrote the Gospels and John who was the disciple Jesus loved who had an intimate relationship with Jesus was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write down his Gospel and visions in Revelation. We till today teach children that we must have an intimate relationship with Jesus because only through him we can come to the Father.

So did you really understand the Mass? Can you state right here you actually understood it?

In fact there is a big clue I’ve revealed about the Mass. So if you can spot it tell it here.

Now next point:

Even when you mention Revelation that St. John wrote as prisoner in Patmos, was all due to his witnessing of Jesus suffering and devotion to Jesus. Don’t forget John was given Jesus’ mother because Jesus himself told him to take care of her as his own mother. I don’t know what is more affectionate than trusting him this much What a wonderful gesture by God Himself!

Revelation 11-12 becomes even more special when John talks about the woman. It was the name even Jesus called her, someone so full of Grace perfect to carry the Lord of Life in her womb and even bring him up according to the Jewish custom. Even when Angel Gabriel visited her called he called "Hail full of Grace " she was Holy fully that no need to mention her name. God’s ways are beyond human comprehension. What an awesome God . King of Kings Lord of Lords! Amen!

Now I want to get back to your experience when you were Catholic so you proclaim. You said how much you learned and how beautiful it all was then you went away for whatever reason for 5 years. My concern right now is how you left it all behind despite taking communion, knew the Sacraments and even doing the Stations of the Cross.

If all this was amazing and beautiful but you later changed views in a way that is quite puzzling. You took Communion but how did you go ahead with it by later using John 4 as something that disbelieve the actual flesh and blood and made it as a metaphor. What happened to going further into John 5 and 6 and so on. Can you elaborate how John 4 became the only point for you not to accept the Catholic understanding? Why not be more precise by continuing to next chapters?

Please be forthright. Want to hear from you.

Peace be with you.

MJ

Dear Martin,

Thank you so much for being so patient and loving.

Can I answer tomorrow as it is midnight here and I must sleep as I am fasting at 5am so when I have had some sleep I’ll look at this.

But basically I never have lost anything but gained a stronger belief in Christ as the Holy Spirit confirmed to me that He has returned.

 

[worldcitizen]

Dear Martin,

Thank you so much for being so patient and loving.

When I was young I felt Jesus, lived Jesus. He was my companion and Friend. My solace and refuge.

After drifting away for a few years I became disillusioned with life and decided to end it.

At that time I came across Bahai and was impressed by their attitude and behaviour but once I began to investigate myself and read I discovered Christ again. The same Jesus I always knew and loved but this time it was Him returned as the Father and it’s like this. Once you know someone in your heart, soul and mind you would know them anywhere if you came upon them again.

Thus, once I realised Who Baha’u’llah was I rejoiced exceedingly and there is no doubt it is Jesus returned as the Father and so I say. Keep an open mind and be very wary of self for it can lead one astray when one thinks they are saved. This is it. The real thing. Jesus returned as the Father which means all that the Christians today understand about the Bible has been clouded by personal misinterpretations and they have missed the spiritual signs and still wait like the Jews aforetime.

A veil exists between the Christ of one’s imagination and the true Christ. You can still see Him but you must forget all you’ve learned and known as knowledge is a veil between man and God.

The Bible, every Word of it is truer than you realise. there are meanings contained in the Bible which once understood will set the heart and soul ablaze with the love of the Lord. But spiritual insight not rhetoric will bestow it upon you.

I can’t hand you what I have but all I can say is there is no Catholic on earth including the respected Pope that has found this truth yet. Future popes will accept Baha’u’llah. The Catholics and all Faiths will accept Him as they awaken from their slumber.

For now it may sound confusing to you even lunacy and craziness but one day when you hopefully will awaken you will thank me for giving you the glad tidings.

If you believe this is false and a lie then believe what is in your heart. Only if God chooses can you find this if you strive to be worthy. It’s not something you can rationalise and argue about. It’s a truth the garment of words can never contain.

Strive to be worthy to attain the shores of true understanding and see your Lord in His Great Majesty.

What you think you see is your understanding not the reality. Look how thin the eyelid is. Yet it can close our vision to everything. How do I know.? If I have seen the sun and a blind man argues with me that the sun does not exist how am I to to tell him of its glory and wonder?

Now please do not be offended as I love you as a brother otherwise I wouldn’t speak to you like this. You believe your saved and so do all the religious leaders in the world but they haven’t been saved. Not yet. They will awaken though and see Him Coming in the clouds with the angels in great glory.

We can only be patient and loving but it’s your soul and if you don’t look deeply into this with an open mind without preconceived ideas you will regret it for eternity if you find out it was true and the Father did come and you rejected Him.

If you really, deeply love the Lord please, please keep an open mind and heart and maybe perchance the truth will be fully revealed to you one day. I never deserved this gift. I am the most unworthy of the unworthy. The greatest clue I could give you is that Christ said He would come like a thief in the night. That opens the possibility that the entire church missed His Coming and they did. Don’t think it couldn’t happen because Christ warned His Coming could be missed that’s why He told everyone to watch and pray. And His Coming was missed by all. Except a handful.

The Aplocalypse is unsealed and the meanings have been revealed but as you reject them so I cannot say anything further. Everything from mass to the sacraments has been explained. But you cling to what you’ve been taught so while your chalice is full there is no room in it for the water of life that has recently descended from heaven.

 

[MartinJordan]

worldcitizen;13733795:

Dear Martin,

Thank you so much for being so patient and loving.

When I was young I felt Jesus, lived Jesus. He was my companion and Friend. My solace and refuge.

After drifting away for a few years I became disillusioned with life and decided to end it.

At that time I came across Bahai and was impressed by their attitude and behaviour but once I began to investigate myself and read I discovered Christ again. The same Jesus I always knew and loved but this time it was Him returned as the Father and it’s like this. Once you know someone in your heart, soul and mind you would know them anywhere if you came upon them again.

Thus, once I realised Who Baha’u’llah was I rejoiced exceedingly and there is no doubt it is Keep an open mind and be very wary of self for it

For now it may sound confusing to you even lunacy and craziness but one day when you hopefully will awaken you will thank me for giving you the glad tidings.

If you believe this is false and a lie then believe what is in your heart. Only if God chooses can you find this if you strive to be worthy. It’s not something you can rationalise and argue about. It’s a truth the garment of words can never contain.

Strive to be worthy to attain the shores of true understanding and see your Lord in His Great Majesty.

What you think you see is your understanding not the reality. Look how thin the eyelid is. Yet it can close our vision to everything. How do I know.? If I have seen the sun and a blind man argues with me that the sun does not exist how am I to to tell him of its glory and wonder?

Now please do not be offended as I love you as a brother otherwise I wouldn’t speak to you like this. You believe your saved and so do all the religious leaders in the world but they haven’t been saved. Not yet. They will awaken though and see Him Coming in the clouds with the angels in great glory.

We can only be patient and loving but it’s your soul and if you don’t look deeply into this with an open mind without preconceived ideas you will regret it for eternity if you find out it was true and the Father did come and you rejected Him.

If you really, deeply love the Lord please, please keep an open mind and heart and maybe perchance the truth will be fully revealed to you one day. I never deserved this gift. I am the most unworthy of the unworthy. The greatest clue I could give you is that Christ said He would come like a thief in the night. That opens the possibility that the entire church missed His Coming and they did. Don’t think it couldn’t happen because Christ warned His Coming could be missed that’s why He told everyone to watch and pray. And His Coming was missed by all. Except a handful.

The Aplocalypse is unsealed and the meanings have been revealed but as you reject them so I cannot say anything further. Everything from mass to the sacraments has been explained. But you cling to what you’ve been taught so while your chalice is full there is no room in it for the water of life that has recently descended from heaven.

While I thank you for calling me patient and loving, it is all due to Jesus. He is my rock and Salvation. Though him I’ve learned to know about the Father and Spirit.

Now I want to be frank with you. Why did you not respond to my queries about John 4? You’ve not answered how you left for 5 years and then say John 4 shows a metaphorical meaning when you also said you did receive Holy Communion. How did this change?

Besides John 4 :13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

17 “I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Cont’d

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

Can you answer these? I love Jesus so I read all the way through. Please answer.

There is more I want to relate to you based on your asking me to open my mind. It doesn’t make sense why you would say that if you are not responding to me . Feels quote disheartening. But I will remain committed to speak with you heart to heart.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Even in the first sentence, the allegory is evident dear Martin.

Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Do you literally have a spring of water gushing out of your body right now? Where does the water drain into?

.

 

[MartinJordan]

Even in the first sentence, the allegory is evident dear Martin.

Do you literally have a spring of water gushing out of your body right now? Where does the water drain into?

.

Can I kindly speak with worldcitizen without this interference?

Please learn some manners.

MJ

 

[worldcitizen]

worldcitizen;13734159:

While I thank you for calling me patient and loving, it is all due to Jesus. He is my rock and Salvation. Though him I’ve learned to know about the Father and Spirit.

16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

17 “I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Cont’d

25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

Can you answer these? I love Jesus so I read all the way through. Please answer.

There is more I want to relate to you based on your asking me to open my mind. It doesn’t make sense why you would say that if you are not responding to me . Feels quote disheartening. But I will remain committed to speak with you heart to heart.

Peace be with you.

MJ

Please forgive me if I’ve not responded as I thought I had. I thought I had responded to your query by stating that once I came to know Who Baha’u’llah was then my understanding of not just John but the entire Bible changed as Baha’u’llah is the Lion of the tribe of Juda and the Root of David and He unsealed the Bible so now I know the correct meanings of the verses and which is allegorical and which is literal. Everything changed after discovering Christ had returned.

Bahaullah’s Book the Book of Certitude, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah and many other Tablets and Writings as well as Tablets from the Bab and Abdul-Baha explain all these wondrous happenings.These sources all from the Father Himself gave me the correct interpretation of the Bible that the Christians do not have so they do not see the second coming because they have not been able yet to distinguish symbolical from literal. As it is said…
**
John 16:13

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth

And He has come and I have been guided unto all truth so all what I’m telling you is the truth nothing else.**

The reason I would say something like that is not to wound you but to awaken you. You’ve so far missed the second coming of Christ and in your mind still seem to think it’s an impossibility to have occurred yet Christ warned of that kind of attitude which is why He said He would come like a thief and you would not know if you were not open minded or spiritually awakened. Because coming like a thief means we should not use preconceived ideas to judge His coming as the thief will come and go and has come and gone.

The Jews had about 333 prophecies about Jesus first coming and misread them all.
We are human and can make mistakes. You can still see Christ Coming in the clouds but you must look harder. You must look past your preconceived ideas as they are preventing you from seeing the truth. You believe in Jesus but you don’t have the other half of the story yet which is His a Second Coming and if we were to reject Jesus second coming that would nullify our belief in Him altogether as you can’t both accept and reject Jesus. Either you accept Jesus unconditionally for both comings or reject both comings although outwardly professing belief like the Jews do and have for 2016 years and they are wrong.

Please don’t judge Baha’u’llah by preconceived ideas because this is your own soul you either condemn or save by accepting or rejecting the second coming so you don’t want to get it wrong as you stand to lose everything.

I have ‘overcome’ as stated in Revelation and received the New Name. Don’t worship your own reasoning like the Jews. Christ could have returned and all but a handful might have missed Him. Don’t fall into the trap the Jews did of worshipping their own interpretations or what their leaders had taught them. To make such a huge blunder and miss Christ coming in the clouds would be so regrettable and I only want to prevent that from happening but ultimately success or failure depends upon your own efforts.

It took 6’suicide attempts and 6 courses of elect shock therapy and massive tests before I was ready to receive the truth. I hope and pray one day you find out the hidden meanings and rejoice. If this is true then your love and belief in Jesus will be a million times stronger as mine is. To have the honor of accepting Jeus both times He has come is a glorious prize which proves we have remained faithful to Him. We know Jesus was the Messiah but He said He would return and expects His true faithful servants to accept Him.

 

[Servant19]

Can I kindly speak with worldcitizen without this interference?

Please learn some manners.

MJ

Excuse me Martin, there is a PM facility here on CAF. If you wish to have “no interference” then I suggest you use that.

This is a public forum. I don’t understand this sudden shortness in your attitude. We have not been rude to anyone…

.

 

[MartinJordan]

Excuse me Martin, there is a PM facility here on CAF. If you wish to have “no interference” then I suggest you use that.

This is a public forum. I don’t understand this sudden shortness in your attitude. We have not been rude to anyone…

.

Servant, when one is having a conversation and it was civil, another does not just show up and take one part of the conversation and start talking. It’s not courteous nor properly mannered.

Ive much more to say to worldcitizen and I ask to respect this.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

MartinJordan;13735685:

Please forgive me if I’ve not responded as I thought I had. I thought I had responded to your query by stating that once I came to know Who Baha’u’llah was then my understanding of not just John but the entire Bible changed as Baha’u’llah is the Lion of the tribe of Juda and the Root of David and He unsealed the Bible so now I know the correct meanings of the verses and which is allegorical and which is literal. Everything changed after discovering Christ had returned.

I’m not asking for an apology. Don’t worry worldcitizen, I just want you to answer the best way you can to explain this 5 year gap from Catholicism. Did you attempt to go back to the Church? If not, then how did you manage? Who was God to you then while in the " wilderness"?

Then you said John 4 says this and that. If you were in the wilderness, how did you go back to the Bible? Who gave you the courage to look back in to Scripture? Did they tell you just look at those verses and then look to Baha’ullah? Is it something like that. You need to be clear.

Then you say you have moved on to saying “the entire Bible had changed”. That is strange to me because John 4 continues. I’ll go on to John 4 39

Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.

42 They said to the woman, “We **no longer believe just because of what you said; **now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”

Do you see what Im trying to figure out? The Samaritans know that Jesus is the Savior of the World. It doesn’t make sense to me why you don’t have seem to have dwelved deeper into John 4. Don’t forget also that Jesus told the Samaritan woman that "Salvation is from the Jews’. The other Samaritans already believed Jesus was the Savior.

So the Jews are very important even if they don’t today accept Jesus.

Now,

Bahaullah’s Book the Book of Certitude, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah and many other Tablets and Writings as well as Tablets from the Bab and Abdul-Baha explain all these wondrous happenings.These sources all from the Father Himself gave me the correct interpretation of the Bible that the Christians do not have so they do not see the second coming because they have not been able yet to distinguish symbolical from literal. As it is said…
**

John 16:13

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth

And He has come and I have been guided unto all truth so all what I’m telling you is the truth nothing else.**

I have a issue with the above worldcitizen. Until you complete Jesus words and the Samaritans acknowledgement that Jesus is the Savior of the World. John 16 is much later. We’re not even done with John 4 yet and as I mentioned, “5 and 6 and so on”.,

The reason I would say something like that is not to wound you but to awaken you. You’ve so far missed the second coming of Christ and in your mind still seem to think it’s an impossibility to have occurred yet Christ warned of that kind of attitude which is why He said He would come like a thief and you would not know if you were not open minded or spiritually awakened. Because coming like a thief means we should not use preconceived ideas to judge His coming as the thief will come and go and has come and gone.

The Jews had about 333 prophecies about Jesus first coming and misread them all.
We are human and can make mistakes. You can still see Christ Coming in the clouds but you must look harder. You must look past your preconceived ideas as they are preventing you from seeing the truth. You believe in Jesus but you don’t have the other half of the story yet which is His a Second Coming and if we were to reject Jesus second coming that would nullify our belief in Him altogether as you can’t both accept and reject Jesus. Either you accept Jesus unconditionally for both comings or reject both comings although outwardly professing belief like the Jews do and have for 2016 years and they are wrong.

Please don’t judge Baha’u’llah by preconceived ideas because this is your own soul you either condemn or save by accepting or rejecting the second coming so you don’t want to get it wrong as you stand to lose everything.

Can we finish with John 4 first?

I have ‘overcome’ as stated in Revelation and received the New Name. Don’t worship your own reasoning like the Jews. Christ could have returned and all but a handful might have missed Him. Don’t fall into the trap the Jews did of worshipping their own interpretations or what their leaders had taught them. To make such a huge blunder and miss Christ coming in the clouds would be so regrettable and I only want to prevent that from happening but ultimately success or failure depends upon your own efforts.

It took 6’suicide attempts and 6 courses of elect shock therapy and massive tests before I was ready to receive the truth. I hope and pray one day you find out the hidden meanings and rejoice. If this is true then your love and belief in Jesus will be a million times stronger as mine is. To have the honor of accepting Jeus both times He has come is a glorious prize which proves we have remained faithful to Him. We know Jesus was the Messiah but He said He would return and expects His true faithful servants to accept Him.

I don’t think you should go that far with talking about Jews. It could be against forum rules to state things like this or talk about personal mental issues.

MJ

 

[JimmyDFG]

Even in the first sentence, the allegory is evident dear Martin.

Do you literally have a spring of water gushing out of your body right now? Where does the water drain into?

.

Do you not understand the Parables of Jesus? Water is a life giving element. I understood this as a child

 

[worldcitizen]

Dear Martin. Thank you for bearing with me and also your advice. I apologise as I never meant any offence towards Jews. They are beautiful people. I was only stating about their rejection of Jesus not anything personal.

Here I’ll continue and thrn another post…

I explained the 5 year gap in a previous post but basically it was one of waywardness and irreligion. And I did not believe in God anymore nor return to Church.

During those 5?years I had wiped the slate clean and had no more preconceived ideas and believed in nothing at all.

When I has suffered all my distresses etc I came across the Baha’is accidentally and in them I saw goodness and truth because it was their attitude towards other religionist’s that made me take notice. I was disappointed. In the churches attitude towards condemning other Faiths as false and their prophets as false prophets and could not accept this.

I investigated many Christian churches but it was always ’ we are right and everybody else are wrong and damned’.

Then I told the Baha’is that I didn’t believe in God anymore and felt sorry for the Baha’is because they had everything but were misguided because they believed in a God who always people uses to fight, kill and condemn each other which I abhor. All humanity must put aside their differences and love one another is what’ I most cherished and believed.

They then gave me a book Some Answered Questions which had a chapter ‘Proofs and evidences sof the existence of God’ I then proceeded to write a chapter 'proofs and evidences of the non existence of God.

As I was disproving it I came across some writings I had trouble understanding and reflecred on them for a few weeks. Then after a while I realised Abdul-Baha was right and I was wrong and there was a God. At that moment I said confessingly 'OK God you are there’.
Now this was an enormous concession from me as I exerted and strained w dry nerve in my mind, heart, soul and body to prove the Baha’is a false religion.

The Book that brought me back to the Bible and which I read 5 times and during which I experience the Holy Spirit of God descending upon me was the Book of Certitude.

This is the spiritual experience that happened to me as I wept for days locked up in my unit afraid to go out for fear people would think I was mad. For 3 days I wept with exceeding joy, a joy all the world’s treasures I would not exchange for,

Next post please read carefully what happened this is an exact account of the ‘process’ my soul went through.

 

[worldcitizen]

Continued…

This is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED that in one instance brought me back to Jesus, the Hoky Bible and endowed me with insight to be able to distinguish clearly truth from falsehood.

You might want to submit this to the higher Bishops as a study case in how to deal with Catholics who become Baha’is …
*
“Only when the lamp of search, of earnest striving, of longing desire, of passionate devotion, of fervid love, of rapture, and ecstasy, is kindled within the seeker’s heart, and the breeze of His loving-kindness is wafted upon his soul, will the darkness of error be dispelled, the mists of doubts and misgivings be dissipated, and the lights of knowledge and certitude envelop his being. *

At that hour will the mystic Herald, bearing the joyful tidings of the Spirit, shine forth from the City of God resplendent as the morn, and, through the trumpet-blast of knowledge, will awaken the heart, the soul, and the spirit from the slumber of negligence. Then will the manifold favours and outpouring grace of the holy and everlasting Spirit confer such new life upon the seeker that he will find himself endowed with a new eye, a new ear, a new heart, and a new mind. He will contemplate the manifest signs of the universe, and will penetrate the hidden mysteries of the soul. Gazing with the eye of God, he will perceive within every atom a door that leadeth him to the stations of absolute certitude. He will discover in all things the mysteries of divine Revelation and the evidences of an everlasting manifestation.”

Continued next post
Excerpt From: Bahá’u’lláh. “The Kitáb-i-Íqán.” Bahá’í eBooks

 

[Servant19]

Do you not understand the Parables of Jesus? Water is a life giving element. I understood this as a child

Yes indeed Jimmy, but is Jesus asking us to drink water from a tap to have physical life?
Or water from Him to have a spiritual life?

Is it a life-giving element for our daily sustenance with our spaghetti?
Or a life-giving element for our daily spiritual sustenance through His Word?

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[worldcitizen]

“When the channel of the human soul is cleansed of all worldly and impeding attachments, it will unfailingly perceive the breath of the Beloved across immeasurable distances, and will, led by its perfume, attain **and enter the City of Certitude. Therein he will discern the wonders of His ancient wisdom, and will perceive all the hidden teachings **from the rustling leaves of the Tree—which flourisheth in that City. With both his inner and his outer ear he will hear from its dust the hymns of glory and praise ascending unto the Lord of Lords, and with his inner eye will he discover the mysteries of “return” and “revival.”

“They that valiantly labour in quest of God’s will, when once they have renounced all else but Him, will be so attached and wedded to that City that a moment’s separation from it would to them be unthinkable”

“That city is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad the Messenger of God the Qur’án; in this day the Bayán; and in the dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book which standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.”
(Book of Certitude)

You should peruse the Book when you have time one day.

The last sentence is referring to the Most Holy Book which was to be revealed later after Baha’u’llah publicly proclaimed Himself to be the Promised Father.

That could be what Christians might see as Baptism but through the individual himself independent of a church or priest.

I have been given a new eye, new ear, new heart and a new mind. I have been reborn and made new and seen the New Jerusalem descending from heaven.

Distribute this amongst your peers if you wish. It’s one way a person becomes a Baha’i but dreams and other ways can also open the eyes to the truth.

 

[worldcitizen]

Dear Martin,

I’ve posted a lot.

Can you kindly now let me know what else you feel I have not clarified properly.

I understand you seem to have wanted to know how a person converts to Bahai as far as what proces takes place and I have tried to explain that to you.

Now the Books are no longer sealed to me but to others they still wait.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Dear Martin,

I’ve posted a lot.

Can you kindly now let me know what else you feel I have not clarified properly.

I understand you seem to have wanted to know how a person converts to Bahai as far as what proces takes place and I have tried to explain that to you.

Now the Books are no longer sealed to me but to others they still wait.

Sorry to interrupt here. But I don’t see how you answered his questions

 

[worldcitizen]

Sorry to interrupt here. But I don’t see how you answered his questions

He wanted to know what happened in the 5 years I left the church. I explained that. He asked about what made me go back to the Bible again . I explained that. He basically was asking how I took communion, left the church and then became United again with the Bibke and what infirmation the Baha’is gave and I explained all that also.

I explained how my spiritual experience with the Book if Certitude gave me a new understanding if the Bible and made me believe in Jesus again.

I tried my best. Please advise me as I’m doing my best to address and will address everything sincerely but there’s just so much it’s so easy to get lost in it.

 

[Servant19]

Do you not understand the Parables of Jesus? Water is a life giving element. I understood this as a child

Yes indeed Jimmy, but is Jesus asking us to drink water from a tap to have physical life?
Or water from Him to have a spiritual life?

Is it a life-giving element for our daily sustenance with our spaghetti?
Or a life-giving element for our daily spiritual sustenance through His Word?

.