Early islamic historians, how important are they to muslims?

[JimmyDFG]

Thanks Ontheway. I’m aware of this however my focus was on Baha’u’llah He had 3 wives. He forgot Jesus and followed customs of his own land. Odd for who is the 2nd coming of Christ!

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Quran 4:3 If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four.

Why not allow Prophet Muhammad to finish what He is revealing to you?

“…and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess.”

Let’s also look at what “cannot do justice” means? Can we be just to multiple wives?

Quran (4:129) - “Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire”

So if we cannot be fair and just then only one wife is permitted.

That is the Law of the Quran.

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[Servant19]

So for fifteen centuries generations of Muslim men have been ignoring the Koran in this respect?

Yes.

There is a reason why Islam is where it is today.

Corruption and incorrect interpretation has destroyed all that is holy in the religion of Muhammad.

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[Servant19]

Servant I understand where your coming from. However as God is perfect I don’t think he would have allowed his Koran to be corrupted by Satan. I.e. No satanic verses. So I understand your view but I don’t believe he wrote it.

What is wrong with the interpretations of the Old Testament as given by the Rabbinic Apostolic succession?

Why would God allow for that Scripture to be so misunderstood? No original sin, no Triune God, etc etc…

History tells us that the clues are always there, but it takes a subsequent Revelation to shed light on the Truths contained within. Sometimes even seeming contradictions.

The clue is how Jesus dealt with the Torah and the Law.

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[Ontheway]

Yes.

There is a reason why Islam is where it is today.

Corruption and incorrect interpretation has destroyed all that is holy in the religion of Muhammad.

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But, in a previous post you said this: “The true Muslim only needs the Quran and the hadiths that conform 100% with it, and nothing else.”

Are the hadiths the source of what you call corruption and incorrect interpretation? Or, has the Islamic world, in your view, ignored those as well?

If they ignore the Koran and the hadiths, then what do they follow?

 

[Servant19]

Thanks Ontheway. I’m aware of this however my focus was on Baha’u’llah He had 3 wives. He forgot Jesus and followed customs of his own land. Odd for who is the 2nd coming of Christ!

MJ

The Exemplar of the Revelation of Baha’u’llah is Abdu’l-Baha.

Abdu’l-Baha was the sinless Example of Baha’u’llah’s Revelation.

Please share anywhere you can find fault with Him.
Not even the destruction of a market place is seen in his blessed life.

What a gift Baha’u’llah has bestowed upon humanity in the form of Abdu’l-Baha!

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[dolphinlove]

Why not allow Prophet Muhammad to finish what He is revealing to you?

“…and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess.”

Let’s also look at what “cannot do justice” means? Can we be just to multiple wives?

Quran (4:129) - “Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire”

So if we cannot be fair and just then only one wife is permitted.

That is the Law of the Quran.

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Lets look at what you originally wrote:

There is no law in Islam that one should/must marry more than one wife. It’s quite the opposite in fact.

You say there is NO law in islam where one should marry more than one wife

I said:

Quran 4:3 If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four.

You said no law, i showed you the law, so which is it?

That verse you quoted is just saying its impossible for man to treat all wives fairly.

The law of the quran is a man can have more than one wife, up to four.

 

[Servant19]

But, in a previous post you said this: “The true Muslim only needs the Quran and the hadiths that conform 100% with it, and nothing else.”

Are the hadiths the source of what you call corruption and incorrect interpretation? Or, has the Islamic world, in your view, ignored those as well?

If they ignore the Koran and the hadiths, then what do they follow?

Yes, the hadiths, many of which contradict the Quran are taken with too much importance by many Muslims today.

This has led to generations of corruption in Islam.

This is not to deny that there are many Muslims in the world who have the Quran as central in their lives, without a Hadith to obstruct the true way. Many of these souls are the saints of Islam.

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[Servant19]

Lets look at what you originally wrote:

You say there is NO law in islam where one should marry more than one wife

I said:

You said no law, i showed you the law, so which is it?

That verse you quoted is just saying its impossible for man to treat all wives fairly.

The law of the quran is a man can have more than one wife, up to four.

When God says you MAY do something, that is not a law.

Please study how laws are written in Quranic Scripture

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[Ontheway]

Yes.

There is a reason why Islam is where it is today.

Corruption and incorrect interpretation has destroyed all that is holy in the religion of Muhammad.

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But weren’t they following the example set by Mohamed himself, who had nine or twelve wives? This has been recorded in the hadiths and all the generations of Muslims have been following what the hadiths say.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Yes, but that’s not the perspective of creation that the Quran is presenting. Why do you insist on just seeing this from your perspective only?

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I’m seeing it through the eyes of Christianity. Islam and bahaism adds its on spin to the life & death and Resurrection of Jesus which leads people astray. You wouldn’t understand unless you were a Christian …and I’m sure I’m not the only Catholic here who thinks so.
Islam and bahaism has no historical evidence to back up its claims

 

[dolphinlove]

When God says you MAY do something, that is not a law.

Please study how laws are written in Quranic Scripture

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You still said NO law? I showed you the law? Can you not see the issue here?
You cant make up what you think the quran says.

 

[dolphinlove]

I’m seeing it through the eyes of Christianity. Islam and bahaism adds its on spin to the life & death and Resurrection of Jesus which leads people astray. You wouldn’t understand unless you were a Christian …and I’m sure I’m not the only Catholic here who thinks so.
Islam and bahaism has no historical evidence to back up its claims

I will also add to this, bahai ask us to view it through their eyes, but do you see it through a Christians eyes? And not by what bahai’s ‘think’ christian eyes are?

 

[Servant19]

I’m seeing it through the eyes of Christianity. Islam and bahaism adds its on spin to the life & death and Resurrection of Jesus which leads people astray. You wouldn’t understand unless you were a Christian …and I’m sure I’m not the only Catholic here who thinks so.
Islam and bahaism has no historical evidence to back up its claims

Of course you would say that.

The same was said by the Jews about Christianity.

And it’s turtles all the way down…

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[Servant19]

You still said NO law? I showed you the law? Can you not see the issue here?
You cant make up what you think the quran says.

Laws in the Quran commence with the words “It has been enjoined…” not “you may…”

There is no law on multiple wives.

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[Servant19]

I will also add to this, bahai ask us to view it through their eyes, but do you see it through a Christians eyes? And not by what bahai’s ‘think’ christian eyes are?

Of course not.

God has bestowed on Bahais new eyes, a new heart, a new body, a new soul living in a new heaven and a new earth.

It is an obligation for man to see with the eyes of the new Revelation and not with the old one.

St.Paul would have remained a Jew were it not for the new eyes God gave Him.

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[JimmyDFG]

I will also add to this, bahai ask us to view it through their eyes, but do you see it through a Christians eyes? And not by what bahai’s ‘think’ christian eyes are?

Seeing it with the help of the Gospels and with Catholic Church. Seeing it with islamic or bahai eyes would be against Christianity and what the Holy Gospels affirmed happened

 

[JimmyDFG]

The same was said by the Jews about Christianity.

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Bahai stuck on history repeating itself

 

[Servant19]

But weren’t they following the example set by Mohamed himself, who had nine or twelve wives? This has been recorded in the hadiths and all the generations of Muslims have been following what the hadiths say.

All of the Prophets wives were for the purposes of protection during war and conflict.

If you look at the saintly companions of Prophet Muhammad, you will see that they were monogamous. Bilal, Abu Dharr el-Ghiffari, Ammar Ibn Yassir, Owais Qarni etc etc

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[Servant19]

Seeing it with the help of the Gospels and with Catholic Church. Seeing it with islamic or bahai eyes would be against Christianity and what the Holy Gospels affirmed happened

Why do you therefore not look at the Torah with Jewish eyes??

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