Early Man and Adam and Eve

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Saxum said:
Did hominids have souls?
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The term hominid includes our species. It really depends on when Adam and Eve existed. Anyone descended from them had souls.

Well, if you’re a Thomist, all living things have souls, but only human beings descended from Adam and Eve have rational and immortal souls.
 
buffalo said:

Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time​

Studies re-date ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’.

Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time | Nature
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The way they’re using Adam and Eve in this example is our most recent common father and our most recent common mother. Kind of like how half the people in the USA (hyperbole) are descended from Martha Washington, as generations go by your genes get spread throughout tons of people. But it’s not the only ancestral father, in this case, just the most recent common one.

This use obviously differs from what the Abrahamic religions mean by Adam and Eve.
 
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Wesrock said:
Well, if you’re a Thomist, all living things have souls, but only human beings descended from Adam and Eve have rational and immortal souls.
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Yeah that’s what I meant. Rational and immortal souls. From my reading of St JPII’s Love and Responsibility I know that rationality is what separates us from the animal world; it is our interiority which makes us unique. I guess these hominid monkeys didn’t have rationality.
 
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edwest211 said:
A human population of 10,000? If there were hominids before humans then they eventually evolved to become modern humans. How is not explained.
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Well, even the ancestors of homo sapiens sapiens (us), the more primitive hominid races, weren’t at one time a total population of just two individuals, as far as population genetics shows. When a new species emerges, it’s not just one or two members, it’s a community in which the variation and distribution of gene alleles has drifted over time.
 
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Wesrock said:
The way they’re using Adam and Eve in this example is our earliest common father and our earliest common mother. Kind of like how half the people in the USA (hyperbole) are descended from Martha Washington, as generations go by your genes get spread throughout tons of people. But it’s not the only ancestral father, in this case, just the most recent common one.

This use obviously differs from what the Abrahamic religions mean by Adam and Eve.
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It depends on your perspective.
 
Man was created by God and woman was created from the side of Adam.
 
I regard this as speculation. I don’t see how a group of hominids developed to become modern humans. Souls are not a scientific concept. That means trying to shoehorn souls into this does not work as science.
 
I have edited my post from Sept 2018 a little.

The Bible is not a science book. Science asks the question “How?” as in “How does something work?” and there could be test done to try a theory. Theology asks “Who?” as in “Who is God?” and there for a relationship. The Genesis creation stories are written using the knowledge and words that were around some 700 years before Christ.

God doesn’t have a clock as He is outside of time and space. Did God create everything and then leave it or does He still create? I know that God will continue to create me, until I have taken my last breath, if I let Him. If I am not, then I am sinning and want to be in control and create myself.

The oldest written accounts of creation in the Bible are in the Psalms. Look into Psalms 8, 19, 93, 104 and 148.

The 7 day creation story is poetry and should be read as such. Praising God for the creation using scientific language is like a man saying to a woman that he “has chemical reactions in his brain" when he sees her. No sane woman would marry that man if he was to propose using those words. She wants to hear that he loves her and will give his life for her and future children!

It might help to bring in the Hebrew language here. Ha’adam means the one who comes from dust/soil/earth so the “dustling” or “earthling”. It comes from the word ha’adama which means dust/soil/earth. “Ha’adam”, doesn’t become “Adam” “man” until Eve is created before that ha’adam is written. Adam becomes man in relationship with Eve. Eve (Heb ishá) means “mother of all living”, “life”. “Ish” is another Hebrew word for “man”. So the story is about “the man and the mother of all living and their relationship with God, the Creator”.
The relationships between human and human, and human and God are what is important in Scripture. One second the human being is praising God and the next accusing Him for something. This is typical in the story of Adam and Eve. Adam praising God for giving him Eve and then the next moment blaming God for giving him Eve.
 
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I regard this as speculation. I don’t see how a group of hominids developed to become modern humans. Souls are not a scientific concept. That means trying to shoehorn souls into this does not work as science.
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A rational soul requires something extra from God.

But this goes back to the proposal I mentioned. It’s not something scientifically, directly detectable or quantifiable… Though some of the effects might be detectable, like language, music, and art.
 
Hope1960 said:
I don’t think Buffalo proved that scientists now are rethinking this, either.
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The mitochondrial clock is in need of recalibration.

Mitochondrial DNA appears to mutate much faster than expected, prompting new DNA forensics procedures and raising troubling questions about the dating of evolutionary events

Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate.For example, researchers have calculated that “mitochondrial Eve”–the woman whose mtDNA wasancestral to that in all living people–lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the newclock, she would be a mere 6000 years old

http://www.dnai.org/teacherguide/pdf/reference_romanovs.pdf
 
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Adam in Hebrew means what? “The first human ever to walk the earth was named Adam. The Torah explains the name. The Hebrew word for earth is adama . God formed man from the dust of the earth, and on the simplest level, that connection with adama , earth, is the basis for man’s name. Once Adam sinned and ate the forbidden fruit, he introduced death to the world and was sentenced to once again return to the earth from which God created him.”
 
Language, music and art? Were Neanderthals fully human? Did they have souls?
 
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