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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?​

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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.
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buffalo said:
The mitochondrial clock is in need of recalibration.

Mitochondrial DNA appears to mutate much faster than expected, prompting new DNA forensics procedures and raising troubling questions about the dating of evolutionary events

Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate.For example, researchers have calculated that “mitochondrial Eve”–the woman whose mtDNA wasancestral to that in all living people–lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the newclock, she would be a mere 6000 years old

http://www.dnai.org/teacherguide/pdf/reference_romanovs.pdf
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I’m talking about a population bottleneck.
 
The Rational Credibility of a Literal Adam and Eve1

www.crisismagazine.com

Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.
www.crisismagazine.com www.crisismagazine.com
 
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Wesrock:
Were they descended from Adam and Eve? That’s the only way they would.
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Yes. …
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I’m just being clear that I don’t think any hominids not descended from Adam and Eve would have the rational, abstract thinking abilities we associate with being truly human. I can’t date when in human history Adam and Eve existed, but you would expect to see evidence of language, real art and music entering the historical record after they existed. Did neanderthals simply imitate us? Or did we pass things on through interbreeding (there was interbreeding at some point)? Or maybe they were all descended from Adam and Eve, too.
 
Wesrock said:
I’m just being clear that I don’t think any hominids not descended from Adam and Eve would have the rational, abstract thinking abilities we associate with being truly human. I can’t date when in human history Adam and Eve existed, but you would expect to see evidence of language, real art and music entering the historical record after they existed. Did neanderthals simply imitate us? Or did we pass things on through interbreeding (there was interbreeding at some point)? Or maybe they were all descended from Adam and Eve, too.
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Neandertals are us. Perhaps isolated, but still human.
 
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The Rational Credibility of a Literal Adam and Eve1

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/did-adam-and-eve-really-exist
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I disagree with the article’s dismissal of the Kemp proposal. We know human beings since Adam and Eve are fallen and have behaved in ways contrary to the natural law, and in place of what they find morally untenable they offer instead incest as a solution, which is just as problematic. I am not saying they can’t prefer the alternative, but their one objection isn’t something that makes the Kemp proposal incompatible with Catholic theology.
 
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Wesrock said:
I disagree with the article’s dismissal of the Kemp proposal. We know human beings since Adam and Eve are fallen and have behaved in ways contrary to the natural law, and in place of what they find morally untenable they offer instead incest as a solution, which is just as problematic. I am not saying they can’t prefer the alternative, but their one objection isn’t something that makes the Kemp proposal incompatible with Catholic theology.
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Incest in the collateral line is not intrinsically evil and was permitted in the beginning. It had to be. It is always intrinsically evil in the parent to child line.
 

Adam and Eve were real… evolution science and Israel​

Stoeckle and Thayer’s research forced them to conclude, against their will, all humanity, those of us who biped around the planet today, are descended from a single pair of folks, a single man and women, a sort of Adam and Eve couple. The billions of people all over the planet are not as diverse genetically as would have been expected by evolution diversity theory. We are, genetically, all very closely related.

 
Meg1 said:
we are listening to a series from St Paul Communications Genesis to Jesus, and enjoy, however our granddaughters have a question. Where does the caveman and his family as they call him, fit into the time line? Were they at the time of the dinosaurs or after, and how does this fit with Adam and Eve if they were the first man and woman? thanks
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the Church doesn’t really go into this detail. However, I would argue that Adam and Eve were the first Homo Sapien Sapien couple.

Any members of the Homo genus before them are not Homo Sapien Sapiens.

That’s my take.
 
buffalo said:
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Wesrock:
I disagree with the article’s dismissal of the Kemp proposal. We know human beings since Adam and Eve are fallen and have behaved in ways contrary to the natural law, and in place of what they find morally untenable they offer instead incest as a solution, which is just as problematic. I am not saying they can’t prefer the alternative, but their one objection isn’t something that makes the Kemp proposal incompatible with Catholic theology.
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Incest in the collateral line is not intrinsically evil and was permitted in the beginning. It had to be. It is always intrinsically evil in the parent to child line.
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Eh… Not sure you’ve resolved the problemz with close, collateral lines, but anyway, preference is one thing, but the objection in the Crisis article doesn’t allege any contradiction with dogma in the Kemp proposal (and two-thirds of the article focused on that dogma, they would have pointed out inconsistency if there was one), and its objection doesn’t show it to be incompatible with Catholic theology, as I said.
 
phil19034 said:
the Church doesn’t really go into this detail. However, I would argue that Adam and Eve were the first Homo Sapien Sapien couple.

Any members of the Homo genus before them are not Homo Sapien Sapiens.

That’s my take.
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Phil, do you believe that there were other humanLIKE beings prior to Adam and Eve?
 
God could have inserted Adam and Eve in the timeline whenever He wished no matter what may have been going on in the universe at the time.
 
buffalo said:
God could have inserted Adam and Eve in the timeline whenever He wished no matter what may have been going on in the universe at the time.
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Are you conceding that there may have been humanLIKE beings prior to Adam and Eve?
 
Why would God waste time creating subhumans? It seems logical that he’d create real humans and real monkeys. There’s no logical reason to create hybrid humanoid creatures.

Could these humanoids be connected to the nephilim and the daughters of Cain?
 
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Because His creation wouldnt partake in His perfect casuality
 
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