Easter

[Nita]

He rose on Saturday, three days and three nights after he was killed. You need to study all of scripture for the clear picture and to fully understand who Jesus was and what was sacrificed on Passover.

Are you saying the apostles and first Christians were mistaken about the day Jesus rose?

Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (19:31)

This Sabbath wasn’t the normal weekly Sabbath.

It wasn’t just an ordinary Sabbath, but a high day also. But it was still the Sabbath – and the Sabbath is Saturday.

*Matthew 28:1 Now after the sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to the sepulchre.

Mark 16:1-2 And when the sabbath was past, … And very early on the first day of the week they went to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Also, Luke 24:1 and John 20:1*
Are you saying all 4 of the Gospel writers were wrong?

 

[adrift]

He rose on Saturday, three days and three nights after he was killed. You need to study all of scripture for the clear picture and to fully understand who Jesus was and what was sacrificed on Passover.

He rose on Sunday.

Mathew

1 Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mark
2 And very early on the first day of the week, they come to the tomb when the sun was risen.

Luke
1 But on the first day of the week,** at early dawn**, they came unto the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.
John
Now on the **first day of the week **cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus rose on Saturday. All say the first day of the week toward sunrise.
Jews counted a day from sunset to sunset. Sabbath ended Saturday night. Jesus is first reported being seen at dawn Sunday morning. So if you claim that He rose Saturday it is not scriptural.

Jews also counted days as any part of a day.

Jesus died Friday-day one
Saturday-day two
Sunday began the way we calculate time dusk Saturday night and He was still in the tomb. day three.

I am going to say goodbye to you since your lack of respect will get you banned.

 

[John123Conner]

Are you saying the apostles and first Christians were mistaken about the day Jesus rose?

I’m saying if you follow scripture and NOT tradition of the RCC you are wrong. Scripture doesn’t come flat out and say what day Jesus rose, but when you accumulate all the scriptures pertaining to that event it’s very clear He rose on Saturday.

It wasn’t just an ordinary Sabbath, but a high day also. But it was still the Sabbath – and the Sabbath is Saturday.

I suggest that you read Leviticus 23 and you’ll learn how incorrect you are. I won’t post it due to space.

 

[1ke]

What day is the “first day of the week”?

 

[John123Conner]

He rose on Sunday.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus rose on Saturday. All say the first day of the week toward sunrise.
Jews counted a day from sunset to sunset. Sabbath ended Saturday night. Jesus is first reported being seen at dawn Sunday morning. So if you claim that He rose Saturday it is not scriptural.

Jews also counted days as any part of a day.

Jesus died Friday-day one
Saturday-day two
Sunday began the way we calculate time dusk Saturday night and He was still in the tomb. day three.

I am going to say goodbye to you since your lack of respect will get you banned.

I’ve already posted what a day was comprised of using scripture and not my words. Yet you still ignore Gods own words.

Scripture does not say Jesus rose on the first day of the week. If you think it does maybe you could show where you think it does.
(Edited)

 

[RocketRM]

John, what are you expecting from your comments and your method of debate?

You can’t just toss a biblical verse and say “you’ll learn how incorrect you are”. Spell out exactly what lines are in question (sourcing the version of the Bible you are using) and show how it ties into your theory.

You are coming in here with theories that blatantly go against Christian thought and Truth. You aren’t going to convince anyone in the Church of your view (frankly you won’t be able to convince many protestants of this theory either).

May I ask you if this is your personal view of Scriptures or is it the view of a specific sect of protestantism?

 

[John123Conner]

What day is the “first day of the week”?

Sunday.

 

[adrift]

I’ve already posted what a day was comprised of using scripture and not my words. Yet you still ignore Gods own words.

What you ignore is the culture. The Jews would know how to count days you want to dismiss it with your own interpretation.

Scripture does not say Jesus rose on the first day of the week. If you think it does maybe you could show where you think it does.

Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I’m being disrespectful. To me you’re the one who sounds disrespectful.

I posted scripture. You have not provided that He rose on the Sabbath. Which means you believe He rose sometime between Friday at dusk and Saturday at dusk? Yet no one saw Him until Sunday at dawn:shrug:

 

[R_C]

The Church of Christ has commemorated the death of the Lord on the Cross on what we term “Friday” for the past 1682 years. That should suffice.

Now since our Christian brother is not satisfied with 16 centuries of apostolic tradition, let us go into some science and history.

The evidence is for a Friday crucifixion is plentiful, once we’re ready to start looking into what non-Biblical sources say about the astronomical events surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

This is, for instance, what the Greek historian Phlegon writes in 137 AD:

In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., AD 33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day * so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’*

This event could not have been a solar eclipse in the classic sense. In other words, whatever caused a shadow to fall over the earth, and the sun’s light to be blotted out, could not have been the moon. As the moon is always in the completely opposite position in the sky during the full moon phase, which is what Passover always falls on. Furthermore, solar eclipses just last a few minutes, never three hours. The three-hour “eclipse-like” event is a historical fact, and accounted for by non-biblical (even non-Christian) authors.

For instance, -]Pontius Pilate himself wrote a letter to Tiberius/-] in an apocryphal letter attributed to Pontius Pilate to Tiberius, we find an account of this event:

Now when he was crucified darkness came over all the world; the sun was altogether hidden, and the sky appeared dark while it was yet day, so that the stars were seen, though still they had their luster obscured, wherefore, I suppose your excellency is not unaware that in all the world they lighted their lamps from the sixth hour until evening. And the moon, which was like blood, did not shine all night long, although it was at the full

How does this relate to the day of Friday?

To begin with, because of the red moon described -]by Pilate/-] as being seen the night of the Lord’s death. The only kind of eclipse that can happen in a full moon phase is a lunar eclipse, frequently known to give the moon a “blood red” appearance, particularly when they are seen only partially. It so happens that there was such a partial lunar eclipse specifically on April 3 of the year 33 AD, according to the work done by NASA.

Second, because when we look at the Jewish calendar, we find that Nissan 15, customary Passover day, would have fallen on a “Saturday”, April 4, 33. This would have made the Saturday a “high sabbath” - which is mentioned in the gospel (John 19:31-42) - which means that Friday, April 3 would have been the Day of Preparation in which the lamb sacrifice was killed, just hours before sunset (Exod. 12:6) - the exact time in which Christ was put to death on the Cross.

Typically, the Passover meal would have been eaten that Friday evening in 33 AD. However, the gospels tell us that Jesus ate the Passover with his disciples the night before – Thursday. Archaeology has given us the answer to this ancient conundrum not too long ago. In the Maccabean period, Essene solarists were joined by Pharisees and Sadducees, which led to the development of the lunisolar Mishmarot calendar, set out in fragments from Qumran. In the Passion week, their Passover was Thursday evening, April 2, 33 AD.

Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth

Out of many sources, I’d mention the Catholic Knight blog and the work of Dr. Thiering on the Misharmot calendar.

 

[1ke]

Sunday.

Scripture says he rose on the first day of the week.

 

[patrick457]

For instance, Pontius Pilate himself wrote a letter to Tiberius accounting for this event:

Just a little correction: that letter is apocryphal.

 

[Ellen_Mary]

Probably not. He’s another “Christian” who thinks we Catholics are deceived and have never heard “the truth” (which is to say, his personal interpretation of Scripture). But I’ll give it a go:

Short answer: The ancient Jews didn’t reckon time the same way we do. A “day” wasn’t 24 hours, it was any part of a day, so by that math, he was in the tomb “3 days”: Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Not 72 hours, but 3 days nonetheless. Plus, Jesus was crucified at the same time they were slaughtering the lambs for Passover, and it was “the day before the Sabbath”. The Jewish Sabbath is Saturday, hence Jesus was crucified on a Friday. This has been believed and accepted for 2000 years. Suddenly, someone comes along and thinks they’re the first person to notice that Friday to Sunday isn’t 72 hours, and BAM! All of Christendom has been “deceived”. Gosh, Jesus is so lucky you came along and interpreted the correctly for him!

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[John123Conner]

John, what are you expecting from your comments and your method of debate?

You can’t just toss a biblical verse and say “you’ll learn how incorrect you are”. Spell out exactly what lines are in question (sourcing the version of the Bible you are using) and show how it ties into your theory.

You are coming in here with theories that blatantly go against Christian thought and Truth. You aren’t going to convince anyone in the Church of your view (frankly you won’t be able to convince many protestants of this theory either).

May I ask you if this is your personal view of Scriptures or is it the view of a specific sect of protestantism?

Rocket, I’m not on a debate team, I’m just pointing out that the doctrine of Jesus being killed on a Friday doesn’t fit into scripture.

You actually want me to post all of Lev 23? That’s going to take up a lot of space. Isn’t it more prudent to just ask the person to read it? If they read it without my (name removed by moderator)ut, you can’t accuse me of using my interpretation. If the person who I told to read Lev 23 would read it they would clearly see how incorrect they were in the statement they made. In fact everyone should read it so they would know also. The chapter is self-explanatory.

It’s my view of scripture through years of study, no sect or cult, just mine. Scripture does allow us to learn from it on our own.

 

[R_C]

Just a little correction: that letter is apocryphal.

Ok, thanks. I edited the post and made a correction. But I think the description of the red moon still holds.

I don’t claim to provide the final answer…I just found some data that I think gives some “new” evidence and I wanted to share it. None of that is official Church material so feel free to point out errors, if there are. Thanks!

 

[R_C]

I’m just pointing out that the doctrine of Jesus being killed on a Friday doesn’t fit into scripture.

Wait, you are pointing out? Seriously?

Not only you are gravely mistaken and do not come here to learn but to boast of your error, but you seem to ignore the discrepancies between existing calendars at the time of the Lord, too. Did you notice how Exodus 12 and Leviticus 23:6 give a different date for the beginning of the days of unleavened bread? Did you know that, according to some historians, in the Synoptic Gospels the former is meant when we read pascha, while in the Gospel of John the latter is meant when we read pascha?

Please, spare the Catholic Church this “wisdom” that you’ve gathered from some modern-day doctrine, and remember that it was the Church that collected the Canon of Sacred Scripture and that countless theologians throughout twenty centuries have studied Sacred Scripture and pondered over these “contradictions”, and yet never has the Catholic Church changed her tradition on these matters. So guess which one is probably wrong, between the Church and this novel doctrine.

 

[John123Conner]

He rose on Sunday.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus rose on Saturday. All say the first day of the week toward sunrise.
Jews counted a day from sunset to sunset. Sabbath ended Saturday night. Jesus is first reported being seen at dawn Sunday morning. So if you claim that He rose Saturday it is not scriptural.

Jews also counted days as any part of a day.

Jesus died Friday-day one
Saturday-day two
Sunday began the way we calculate time dusk Saturday night and He was still in the tomb. day three.

I am going to say goodbye to you since your lack of respect will get you banned.

None of the scriptures you referenced say he rose on the first day of the week. Do they? In fact they all say he had already risen by the time they arrived.

 

[RocketRM]

Rocket, I’m not on a debate team, I’m just pointing out that the doctrine of Jesus being killed on a Friday doesn’t fit into scripture.

You actually want me to post all of Lev 23? That’s going to take up a lot of space. Isn’t it more prudent to just ask the person to read it? If they read it without my (name removed by moderator)ut, you can’t accuse me of using my interpretation. If the person who I told to read Lev 23 would read it they would clearly see how incorrect they were in the statement they made. In fact everyone should read it so they would know also. The chapter is self-explanatory.

It’s my view of scripture through years of study, no sect or cult, just mine. Scripture does allow us to learn from it on our own.

Well, although I humbly disagree with your analysis and conclusions, I respect that you state it is your opinion.

I agree with you we can certainly learn from Scripture (I read Scripture every day - multiple times per day in fact) but I always cross reference it against authoritative knowledge to ensure my interpretations a correct.

The Holy Bible is a complex read - without proper context and knowledge it is very easy to veer into incorrect interpretation.

God Bless!

 

[Farsight001]

None of the scriptures you referenced say he rose on the first day of the week. Do they? In fact they all say he had already risen by the time they arrived.

In fact, some of the scripture provided say EXACTLY THAT, so how about you go back and read what was posted again. Unless you’d like to continue insinuating that we haven’t read the bible while making it blatantly clear that you yourself have not.

 

[adrift]

None of the scriptures you referenced say he rose on the first day of the week. Do they? In fact they all say he had already risen by the time they arrived.

They infer that is when He rose since it is the time that He is seen.

You didn’t answer that you say that He rose sometime between Sundown Friday and Sundown Saturday but wasn’t seen until Sunday morning? That is at least12 hours what do you say He was doing? Just hanging around the garden?

 

[adrift]

The Holy Bible is a complex read - without proper context and knowledge it is very easy to veer into incorrect interpretation.

God Bless!

Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

He replied, “**How can I, unless someone instructs me?” **So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.