Eastern Catholic in a Latin Religious Order

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Brother David, Go with the blessings of the Lord and all the saints. May your ministry bear much fruit.

Peace be with you
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I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want you in their order no matter what “Rite” of the Church you are from. It takes two lungs to breath and the Church has both the Eastern Rite and the Western (Roman) Rite.

I haven’t read through all the threads yet so I am just responding to this first post but what immediately comes to my own mind is the many priests who are both bi-ritual. How cool is that!!! They get to say Mass/Divine Liturgy in both Rites. I think that is amazing.

I myself, as a Roman Catholic, used to attend a Byzantine Liturgy. I am very drawn to Carmelite spirituality and have been told by many Eastern Catholics that Eastern Catholics are drawn to Carmelite Spirituality because of Eastern Asthetism (spelling?)

We, as Catholics, have access to both Rites that are so beautiful and I think we take for granted all that we have access to. It’s time to share all that both Rites of the Church have to offer.

Blessings.
 
ByzCath said:
I feel called to be active in ministry so I do not think I would do well in a monastery setting. That and the beards get to me. If I ever do grow a beard it will have to be neatly trimed.
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Sounds like you’ve found your home.

FYI Fr. Vito who celebrates our first Saturday Byzantine Divine Liturgy, and concelebrates with our pastor Fr Eugene on many other occasions is featured in the recent SF Archdiocesan paper.
“New order of monks modeled on St. Joseph founded in archdiocese” …His new order will “breathe with both lungs of the church,” East and West, taking its guidance from Pope John Paul II’s pastoral letter “Light from the East,” Father Perrone said. Priests will embrace the Latin and Eastern rites of the church and study the early Desert Fathers and Orthodox spirituality.
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“By living fully within the Catholic contemplative tradition at this time in church history, as expressed by both the Eastern and Western Church, the priests and brothers’ way of life will slowly but surely help the Archdiocese of San Francisco to grow in contemplative spirituality,” the 53-year-old founder said…
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They live a contemplative life Mon-Fri in an urban monastery and then do “Active Ministry” during the weekend.

Chris Lyford host of Bay Area Catholic interviewed Fr. Vito about the Contemplatives of St. Joseph over the course a week on Immaculate Heart Radio.
The series began 1/30
on 1/30 the interview begins at about minute 11 and resumes again at about min 34. (I listened on Windows Media Player which counts backwards. It’s easier to fast forward there on my computer. On WMP the interview begins at minute 46 and resumes at minute 23.)
1/30 ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110130.mp3

2/1 the times are similar
ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110201.mp3

2/2 the start is at min 11 and has only a short interruption resuming at minute 17.
ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110202.mp3

2/3 the times are the same as 2/2 Father Vito and host Chris Lyford speak about Our Lady of Fatima Byz Cath parish, ECCs and “breathing with both lungs” in this segment.
ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110203.mp3

2/7 and 2/8 and 2/9 begin at minute 9 and run straight through for 8 minutes.
ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110207.mp3
ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110208.mp3
ihrarchive.org/archive/bac-20110209.mp3

I thought I had posted this back when the interview ran but I see I posted it in another forum. Seems like you’re settled with the Carmelites. If not you might consider connecting with Fr. Vito.
 
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ByzCath said:
This is part of the problem (maybe it is just with me though). I do not feel called to the strict monastic life. I feel called to be in community but also to an active life.

Instead of having the people come to me in a monastery I feel called to go out to them.

Is there any tradition (maybe lost) of such a sort of community in the East?
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I believe the city mysticism founded by st. Basil was meant to do that. I imagine that it was lost over the years as the empire went from being mostly urban to rural and probably due to the influence of mt. Athos.

As for your decision to become a carmelite, no one has a right to poorly judge a man for following whatever God has called him to do.
 
Brother David,

Through much prayer and discernment you will find your niche , though I think the Franciscans & Dominicans are more attuned to preaching and evangelizing…

I enjoy the Monastic venue myself…

james
 
Your vocation is either to celibacy or marriage. If you’ve properly discerned your vocation is celibacy, then you must then discern how to go about the process of salvation through that vocation. If you submitted yourself to the church and with proper guidance discerned this particular religious community is how you will work out your salvation with fear and trembling, then what does it matter what some Monday morning armchair quarterbacks think of it?
 
Brother David, it sounds to me like you are trying to live out what God has called you to. Nothing wrong with that,. May peace be your journey.🙂
 
Br. David…if I may ask…what brings up this question? Are you having second thoughts about your vocation? If what I ask is to personal I totally understand. 🙂
 
C_Alexander said:
Your vocation is either to celibacy or marriage. If you’ve properly discerned your vocation is celibacy, then you must then discern how to go about the process of salvation through that vocation. If you submitted yourself to the church and with proper guidance discerned this particular religious community is how you will work out your salvation with fear and trembling, then what does it matter what some Monday morning armchair quarterbacks think of it?
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This is not so, at least not for an Eastern Catholic as many of the Eastern Catholic Churches ordain married men to the secular priesthood. So for us it is not always an either/or, it can be a both/and.

It does matter a little bit what “some Monday morning armchair quarterbacks think of it” as those may be some of the people I end up trying to minister to.
 
ciero said:
Br. David…if I may ask…what brings up this question? Are you having second thoughts about your vocation? If what I ask is to personal I totally understand. 🙂
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No, no doubts as to my vocation.

Its just that I have run into some opposition to my vocation that I have touble understanding at times.

I had not really thought of this till the post asking if anyone had discerned the priesthood.
 
ByzCath said:
No, no doubts as to my vocation.

Its just that I have run into some opposition to my vocation that I have touble understanding at times.

I had not really thought of this till the post asking if anyone had discerned the priesthood.
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Thanks for feeling you could discuss this personal issue with us. 🙂
 
ByzCath said:
C_Alexander;7732454:
Your vocation is either to celibacy or marriage. If you’ve properly discerned your vocation is celibacy, then you must then discern how to go about the process of salvation through that vocation. If you submitted yourself to the church and with proper guidance discerned this particular religious community is how you will work out your salvation with fear and trembling, then what does it matter what some Monday morning armchair quarterbacks think of it?
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This is not so, at least not for an Eastern Catholic as many of the Eastern Catholic Churches ordain married men to the secular priesthood. So for us it is not always an either/or, it can be a both/and.

It does matter a little bit what “some Monday morning armchair quarterbacks think of it” as those may be some of the people I end up trying to minister to.
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There’s no conflict in what I said and what you said. One man might discern that his vocation is marriage while another discerns that his is celibacy. They both have to then choose wisely how they will live that vocation (a good spouse, a good fit in religious community, standing on a tall pole). From either group, men might be called by the church to ministry.

If God is guiding you to this religious community and the community is affirming that call then what people think of it doesn’t matter because God will use you how He sees fit despite their opinions. I understand what you’re saying and think it is a reasonable concern. I’m looking at the other side of the same coin. You aren’t there to minister to others; you’re there to work out your salvation and you believe that will be done by ministering to others. The distinction is important.

If you think your primary purpose is ministering to others, then you become a failure if they do not allow you to minister to them.

If you think your primary purpose is to be holy through your ministry to others, then their refusal to allow you to minister to them becomes an opportunity for holiness. You can do your work no matter what their response because your work is not dependent on them. You can still be a witness to charity, respect, hospitality, and humility for God to use. If you encounter this refusal over and over again, you might realize that your work is to pray for unity, to be an example of the pains of disunity, to minister to those outside the church, or any other number of things. The small difference in focus means you become fully available to God and open to Him using you as He wishes.

I don’t mean to imply that you actually hold one view or the other. I’m expressing my own view to better explain what I meant.
 
I don’t have any problem with Byzantien Catholics in Roman Catholic orders or monasteries or vice versa. I know someone who was baptised Ukrainian Catholic but never really raised in it and is now a Benedictine monk in a Roman Catholic monastery. His abbot has made sure to get all teh necessary canonical permissions for him to begin his noviciate and he is now in the second year of his juniorate.
 
Brother David,

The Byzantine Francisicans of Holy Dormition Friary tend to a Eastern flock, maybe they can assist you in finding some direction…

hdbfm.com/staff.htm
 
Jakub said:
Brother David,

The Byzantine Francisicans of Holy Dormition Friary tend to a Eastern flock, maybe they can assist you in finding some direction…

hdbfm.com/staff.htm
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I know of them. I spoke with them during my vocational discernment. I discerned that I was not called to a Francisican way of life.

I am were God has called me to be, with the Carmelite Order while also being a Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic.
 
Trilor said:
I don’t have any problem with Byzantien Catholics in Roman Catholic orders or monasteries or vice versa. I know someone who was baptised Ukrainian Catholic but never really raised in it and is now a Benedictine monk in a Roman Catholic monastery. His abbot has made sure to get all teh necessary canonical permissions for him to begin his noviciate and he is now in the second year of his juniorate.
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I am “almost” positive that I just read something about Eastern Catholics being allowed in the Carmelite Order, but that could be for seculars. I know for a fact that there are many Byzantine Catholics in my State that are secular third order Carmeites so I don’t really understand all the fuss. They are both Catholic.

Blessings.
 
PodunkMommy said:
I am “almost” positive that I just read something about Eastern Catholics being allowed in the Carmelite Order, but that could be for seculars. I know for a fact that there are many Byzantine Catholics in my State that are secular third order Carmeites so I don’t really understand all the fuss. They are both Catholic.

Blessings.
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I think you may have read something I have written. I am a Byzantine Catholic who is in the Order of Carmel.
 
Br. David:

As someone who attends St. Melany’s, it always makes me happy to see you show up in your Carmelite habit during the Divine Liturgy. So, here is one Eastern Catholic who loves the fact that you are a Carmelite and attend our DL.

As for people questioning your Carmelite vocation, just offer that up as a cross your must bear. I’m sure you will make a wonderful Carmelite priest and god willing, a wonderful bi-ritual Byzantine priest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
 
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