I’m not angered at all. How can an anonymous forum determine that God is leading his child in one direction or another if both options are open to him? I wish that someone would close this thread. But I guess I can just ignore it. The title is rather offensive.
What do you mean by ultramontanist? Are you claiming that the Roman Rite is ultramontanist?
I did gather from David’s posts that he is unsure of his decision. But I have no problem with it. I hope he will tell us how it goes. What I don’t completely understand is his defensiveness. I read the linked comments by Ung Sertez and cannot see why he found those comments an attack upon his decision unless David is unsure of his decision. If I were David I wouldn’t ask for any advice here on such an important issue unless I were unsure. Then there is the question of the title of this thread…
I suppose I just do not know what you mean. I thought that brother David as an Eastern Catholic in a Latin order is perfectly fine. They are both Catholic united to Rome.
Yes. But do not confuse that with the heresy of montanism.
Look, I’m a historian by training and by profession. To claim that the the Roman Catholic Church is ultramontanist is like claiming the sky is blue. I don’t blame you for being ultramontanist. If I were Roman Catholic I would be ultramontanist as well. How else would a Roman Catholic survive given your spirituality and your history of struggling against secularism.
“You vill obey!!!”
Then please explain what you mean by that term?
Over the mountain. When the Church was under attack especially in France during and after the French Revolution, in Germany, in England where it was outlawed and in several other places and priests and people were being killed by the new aristocracy it became necessary to appeal to the one consistent Catholic authority who resided over the mountains in the Vatican. Heck, Popes themselves were kept under virtual house arrest in the Vatican from 1864 to 1929. I had guessed that all Roman Catholics knew this. I guessed wrongly.
The problem with this term is that it has meant different things over the years. You are correct the term is meant for “Over the Alps” and has been used for various movements including:
As long as you mean his patriarchal authority over the Western Church and his spiritual authority over the whole church East and West we are in agreement. The pope wears many hats that are applicable in different settings. Unity will happen only if the various churches are respected. It will never happen if every Church is politically dominated by the West.
Who said it wasn’t “perfectly fine”?
As I said before, I regret that byzcath decided to escalate the situation to the “Eastern Catholics, are we really Catholic?” level.
Because someone wrote the Traditional Catholicism moderator and no one has written me. If you’d like to get my attention, use the red triangle in a post or send me a PM. It isn’t hard, guys! If you think the thread should be shut down, send me a note kindly explaining why it violates the forum rules and I’ll act on it. Griping out of my ear shot isn’t charitable or helpful and I’ll ask you to please give me a chance to do my job by working with me instead.“You vill obey!!!”
