What do you mean by saying original sin is not passed down physically but is a mystery?
Im the dummy here, i get so comfused on this matter, your post is what i understood the best so far, Im RC now what is the expressions they are changing, another words whats the big difference is it just we go by the Pope, Please excuse my ignorance on this issue i really dont understand it.
While this is true it is a fact that all Maronites are Catholic while not all Eastern Christians (or Byzantines) are Catholic as each of the Byzantine Churches has an Orthodox counterpart.
Maybe if you would read the actual first post you would know that I am the original poster and you would see what I am looking for. It seems that some people just read the subject title of the thread and then go from there. It also helps to read the thread if you are jumping into it late.
We do not need to discuss these as this is a thread about Catholics, not Orthodox. If something is a Dogma of the Catholic Church then all Catholics are bound to believe it. There is no exceptions for Eastern Catholics.
Might not know me personally but we have been around the forums together for a long time here at at byzcath.org.
I may not have said this but it is not just on this board. I have been ostracized at byzantine parishes for this “choice”.
Anonymous board do not ostracize. You have much much bigger fish to fry in your journey toward heaven. If you worry about what others think you may be committing idolatry. You have no duty to judge others anymore than they have in judging you. Are you suggesting that your conscience is any more properly formed than those who suggest that you may need to be sure you are going down the correct path? If so, aren’t you placing yourself in God’s seat? Follow God’s path and stop worrying about others who are following God’s ways as well.
I realize that this conversation is between you and Byzcath but I feel that i must jump in. I do not see that he is obsessing over what other think but is having a really hard time with how other have treated him. from what I have read since he has made the decision to move to the Latin Rite some from the Eastern Rite have turned away from him. I have not so much seen him question weather or not it was God calling him to do so, As trying to understand why fellow catholic would do such a thing to one of there own ( much less anyone). The way I have read the OP statement was asking are we not all the same Church both East and West. and if so why would some treat you differently because you moved Rites. It is a legittament Question My responce to Byzcath is again Eastern Rites are just as Catholic as the Western Rite and just as needed and vauled. Pray for those who have given you the cold shoulder and go with god upon the path you have chosen.
I see the issue of not reading posts goes further than just not reading the first post of a thread.
Thank you for your assistance. You have read what I have posted and got exactly what I was trying to get across except. I have not changed rites. I am still a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic, I am in formation with the Carmelites, a Latin Religious Order. Some Byzantine Catholics are upset with this decision of mine as they think I should be going for the Eparchial priesthood or joining one of our (few) monasteries.
Perhaps it’s best that this thread be closed. CDL
Good morning Br David
Brother David, you are doing what you feel is right for you, where God is placing you. This doesn`t make you any less Byzantine Catholic for your choice. I can understand how you might feel hurt by criticism from other Byzantine Catholics, again they have no right to tell you that you are a lesser Byzantine Catholic for it.I hope not. Just if we could get it back on topic.
We cannot know what private conversations you have had. We can know that you are troubled by them. The latter is what I’ve tried to address. It is difficult to examine oneself, but believe me, you will be doing alot of it in the monastery. Why not let it go?
It’s not a matter of linguistic authority but one of culture. The fact is our cultural identity is based on being “Maronite” and how we define ourselves as a people. Since we are a “unique breed” so to speak, growing around countless other Christian denominations, our own identification as “Maronite” became synonymous with out identity as “Catholics.” Thus a Maronite back in Lebanon has no need to assert Maronite Catholic for that is a redundant statement, and you will get confused looks from Muslims and Melkites alike.
I’m fairly versed on my people’s origins.
So far as your contextual experience is with these terms. Growing up in the Levant would give you an entirely different cultural context; bear this in mind.
First I must tell you that I have great respect for you for taking on a vocation.
I agree. No one would say “boo” if it were the case a Latin Carmelite expressed interest in bi-ritual faculties or - like my own pastor - a Greek Catholic had expressed a willingness to get faculties in the Maronite Church to assist their community.
yeshua,Since we are a “unique breed” so to speak, growing around countless other Christian denominations, our own identification as “Maronite” became synonymous with out identity as “Catholics.” Thus a Maronite back in Lebanon has no need to assert Maronite Catholic for that is a redundant statement, and you will get confused looks from Muslims and Melkites alike.
byzcath,