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JohnChrysostom said:
I’m laughing to myself thinking what do the Protestants think is going on in this thread. I’m praying for the reunification of the East with the West one day in our future. My hope would be once this happens, and I do believe that it will one day, an Eastern prime bishop should be elevated to papa, Pope. That’s my answer as the self-proclaimed patriarch/pope for a day.
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Kathy
 
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Kathy
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The evidence against the Protestant beliefs is astounding.
Both the East and the West Church trace their steps back to Christ.
Not one Protestant Church can trace an unbroken chain back.
And even though the Orthodox Church and Catholic Church have been in dispute
over relatively minor things for the most part, save and except the violence,
they both have hierarchy, Sacred Tradition, Majisterium and Sacred Scripture.
One has to wonder how long it takes before they begin to uncover the truth
as I have since I set sail on this journey. Every attempt to prove it wrong
always ends up being blown apart. Scott Hahn said that the Catholic Church
doesn’t need defending because it defends itself.

Cardinal Newman said something to the effect “to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.
 
JohnChrysostom said:
I’m laughing to myself thinking what do the Protestants think is going on in this thread. I’m praying for the reunification of the East with the West one day in our future. My hope would be once this happens, and I do believe that it will one day, an Eastern prime bishop should be elevated to papa, Pope. That’s my answer as the self-proclaimed patriarch/pope for a day.
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Don’t know why you’d laugh. As a Lutheran, I watch closely the dialogue between east and west. It is often said here that the differences between you are “minor”, and not really doctrinal. And yet, some of the harshest threads on CAF are between Catholic and Orthodox, and the Schism has lasted a thousand years.

I may not be in the majority, but I also don’t think I’m alone in the following:
Were I to want to join a Church in succession, which would be the “one true Church”?
It can’t be both. And it doesn’t make sense to say, “one or the other is better than
Lutheran”, because there is only one true church.
But were your two communions to reconcile, and come into full unity again, I would
consider it an undeniable sign from the Holy Spirit, that I could not ignore it.

While progress - significant progress - has been made between Lutherans and Rome, I really think that, in many ways, the unity of the visable Church Militant rests in hands of Orthodoxy and Rome.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Don’t know why you’d laugh. As a Lutheran, I watch closely the dialogue between east and west. It is often said here that the differences between you are “minor”, and not really doctrinal. And yet, some of the harshest threads on CAF are between Catholic and Orthodox, and the Schism has lasted a thousand years.

I may not be in the majority, but I also don’t think I’m alone in the following:
Were I to want to join a Church in succession, which would be the “one true Church”?
It can’t be both. And it doesn’t make sense to say, “one or the other is better than
Lutheran”, because there is only one true church.
But were your two communions to reconcile, and come into full unity again, I would
consider it an undeniable sign from the Holy Spirit, that I could not ignore it.

While progress - significant progress - has been made between Lutherans and Rome, I really think that, in many ways, the unity of the visable Church Militant rests in hands of Orthodoxy and Rome.
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Your observations are accurate. I often hear that the differences between East and West are “minor” or “semantics”. But in reality, the differences are substantial and doctrinal.
 
Mickey said:
Your observations are accurate. I often hear that the differences between East and West are “minor” or “semantics”. But in reality, the differences are substantial and doctrinal.
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Exactly. I believe everyone is better served by being honest about our differences instead of glossing over them (or worse, telling the other side that they really don’t believe what they think they do).
 
wynd said:
Exactly. I believe everyone is better served by being honest about our differences instead of glossing over them (or worse, telling the other side that they really don’t believe what they think they do).
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If we are going to be honest, then let’s point out the fact that there is often an over emphasis on differences by ex-Catholics who have become Orthodox.
 
jam070406 said:
If we are going to be honest, then let’s point out the fact that there is often an over emphasis on differences by ex-Catholics who have become Orthodox.
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I don’t agree. I’ve seen all manner of views promoted by people with all manner of backgrounds. It doesn’t line up neatly into categories of ex-this or formerly-that.
 
wynd said:
I don’t agree. I’ve seen all manner of views promoted by people with all manner of backgrounds. It doesn’t line up neatly into categories of ex-this or formerly-that.
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Correct.
 
wynd said:
I don’t agree. I’ve seen all manner of views promoted by people with all manner of backgrounds. It doesn’t line up neatly into categories of ex-this or formerly-that.
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Are you a cradle Orthodox?
 
JonNC said:
Don’t know why you’d laugh. As a Lutheran, I watch closely the dialogue between east and west. It is often said here that the differences between you are “minor”, and not really doctrinal. And yet, some of the harshest threads on CAF are between Catholic and Orthodox, and the Schism has lasted a thousand years.

Jon
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It is said that sibling rivalry ranks at the top of hostility not only in real life but also in Church life.
 
JonNC said:
I may not be in the majority, but I also don’t think I’m alone in the following:
Were I to want to join a Church in succession, which would be the “one true Church”?
It can’t be both. And it doesn’t make sense to say, “one or the other is better than
Lutheran”, because there is only one true church.
But were your two communions to reconcile, and come into full unity again, I would
consider it an undeniable sign from the Holy Spirit, that I could not ignore it.
Jon
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Brothers and Sisters,

This is exactly why we need to place our differences aside and STOP the back and forth uncharitable behavior. Yes. I’m talking to Orthodox and Catholic alike.
 
JonNC said:
While progress - significant progress - has been made between Lutherans and Rome, I really think that, in many ways, the unity of the visable Church Militant rests in hands of Orthodoxy and Rome.

Jon
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Brother, I can’t agree with you more.👍

Thank you for saying it.
 
JonNC said:
While progress - significant progress - has been made between Lutherans and Rome, I really think that, in many ways, the unity of the visible Church Militant rests in hands of Orthodoxy and Rome.

Jon
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Jon,

In what sense are you using the word “unity”? Do you have in mind cautiously worded statements that have been agreed by representatives of different faiths and are published for all to peruse and analyze (and argue over, naturally) or do you have in mind something else?

Curiously,
Mick
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SSTeacher said:
JonNC;6533400:
While progress - significant progress - has been made between Lutherans and Rome, I really think that, in many ways, the unity of the visible Church Militant rests in hands of Orthodoxy and Rome.

Jon
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Jon,

In what sense are you using the word “unity”? Do you have in mind cautiously worded statements that have been agreed by representatives of different faiths and are published for all to peruse and analyze (and argue over, naturally) or do you have in mind something else?

Curiously,
Mick
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When ordinary Orthodox Christians and Catholics consider the word “unity” are they thinking of the same thing? Come to that, do ordinary Orthodox Christians and Catholics actually want unity of any sort?

Doubtfully,
Mick
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SSTeacher said:
When ordinary Orthodox Christians and Catholics consider the word “unity” are they thinking of the same thing? Come to that, do ordinary Orthodox Christians and Catholics actually want unity of any sort?

Doubtfully,
Mick
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The schisma was done because of human pride and with human"efforts",while the unity is to be done by Christ our Lord,when He wants or considers…I don’t trust at all the eccumenism and all and I strongly believe that the dialogue performed by human leads to a poor syncretism and finally to the devilish new age.God forbid!!!The things are very clear: I don’t think that a chatolic one would be open to accept the orthodox dogma as well as an orthodox to accept the catholic dogma…so,let us pray,this is all we can do,and God provides everything!
 
SSTeacher said:
Jon,

In what sense are you using the word “unity”? Do you have in mind cautiously worded statements that have been agreed by representatives of different faiths and are published for all to peruse and analyze (and argue over, naturally) or do you have in mind something else?

Curiously,
Mick
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Hi Mick,
Lutherans often talk about altar and pulpit fellowship. Something more significant than caustiously worded statments, though they are a good start, and beat the devil out of hastily worded condemnations.

I can’t think of a stronger unity, Mick, than if you and I are welcome to receive the Eucharist at each other’s Church.

Jon
 
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