Ecemunical Council

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Starwarsfan2 said:
We agree that the first four are ecemunical, so we call another one , but disagree on the numbering.
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That’s a possibility. The Council of Florence shows us that, if nothing else: when this 15th-century attempted reunion council met, the “Latins” said that it was going to be the ninth ecumenical council, but the “Greeks” said it was going to be the eighth. Although the council failed to achieve union, it wasn’t for that reason.

(Unfortunately, about a century later the “Latins” – or in more modern language, the “Catholics” – added eight earlier councils *en masse *to the list of ecumenical councils, so now Florence is called the seventeenth ecumenical council. That changed the playing field considerably.)
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Texting the primate of Russia , and Constantinople tight now:D
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Tell them Mary sent you so we get a good quote on the room price!

Wouldn’t that be an awesome miracle to see in our lifetime, an Ecumenical Council?

Mary.
 
Peter_J said:
That’s a possibility. The Council of Florence shows us that, if nothing else: when this 15th-century attempted reunion council met, the “Latins” said that it was going to be the ninth ecumenical council, but the “Greeks” said it was going to be the eighth. Although the council failed to achieve union, it wasn’t for that reason.

(Unfortunately, about a century later the “Latins” – or in more modern language, the “Catholics” – added eight earlier councils *en masse *to the list of ecumenical councils, so now Florence is called the seventeenth ecumenical council. That changed the playing field considerably.)
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Cool, although Russia still may present a challenge to a council .
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
]2. the councils are not inspired , but they are authoritative and ecemunical because they are in line with the scriptures.
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Since the decrees of a council are infallible, clarify the deposit of faith, clarify scripture passages, and must be believed by orthodox Catholics, they are equal to the bible in authority.
3.could any leader call for one or would it have to be a pope or the leader of the east?
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The following is taken from NewAdvent:
The pope’s office and the council’s function in the organization of the Church require that the pope should call the council together, preside over and direct its labours, and finally promulgate its decrees to the universal Church as expressing the mind of the whole teaching body guided by the Holy Ghost.
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It is the action of the pope that makes the councils ecumenical. That action is the exercise of his office of supreme teacher and ruler of the Church. Its necessity results from the fact that no authority is commensurate with the whole Church except that of the pope; he alone can bind all the faithful. Its sufficiency is equally manifest: when the pope has spoken ex cathedra to make his own the decisions of any council, regardless of the number of its members nothing further can be wanted to make them binding on the whole Church.
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Duane1966 said:
Since the decrees of a council are infallible, clarify the deposit of faith, clarify scripture passages, and must be believed by orthodox Catholics, they are equal to the bible in authority.

The following is taken from NewAdvent:
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councils can err , so they are only ecemunical if they are in line with scripture they cant be equal to scripture
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
councils can err , so they are only ecemunical if they are in line with scripture they cant be equal to scripture
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They are guided by the Holy Spirit, and as such cannot err. So yes they are equal to scripture.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
tell that to the robber second council of euphesus
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Was never considered an ecumenical council, as the pope specifically never ratified it, because of it’s errors. As such it does not qualify as ecumenical. Ergo, it did not qualify for infallibility. I stand by ecumenical councils as being equal to scripture. All 21 of them.
 
Duane1966 said:
Was never considered an ecumenical council, as the pope specifically never ratified it, because of it’s errors. As such it does not qualify as ecumenical. Ergo, it did not qualify for infallibility. I stand by ecumenical councils as being equal to scripture. All 21 of them.
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because of its errors huh , kinda backs up my point about the scriptures being the deciding factor on what is an ecumenical council, and I stand by there being only the first four councils as ecumenical, still praying for a fifth one to convene
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
because of its errors huh , kinda backs up my point about the scriptures being the deciding factor on what is an ecumenical council, and I stand by there being only the first four councils as ecumenical, still praying for a fifth one to convene
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No, does not back up your point at all. You tried to state that the Robber Council was an ecumenical council. I simply stated that it was never considered ecumenical, as the pope never ratified it. He is the deciding factor, as he has the power to bind and loose. So yes, an ecumenical council still has equal authority to scripture.
 
Duane1966 said:
No, does not back up your point at all. You tried to state that the Robber Council was an ecumenical council. I simply stated that it was never considered ecumenical, as the pope never ratified it. He is the deciding factor, as he has the power to bind and loose. So yes, an ecumenical council still has equal authority to scripture.
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I never said it was one , but that it was an entended one that was rejected thus never ecumenical for one reason only , not in line with scripture
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
I never said it was one , but that it was an entended one that was rejected thus never ecumenical for one reason only , not in line with scripture
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The reason is the pope did not ratify it. So ecumenical councils do have the same authority as scripture, since their decrees are binding on the faithful. They are infallible, show me a decree of an ecumenical council that is fallible.
 
Duane1966 said:
The reason is the pope did not ratify it. So ecumenical councils do have the same authority as scripture, since their decrees are binding on the faithful. They are infallible, show me a decree of an ecumenical council that is fallible.
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the reason was because it was monophisite ie not in line with scripture.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Cool, although Russia still may present a challenge to a council .
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Hmmm, I think you’re being a tad optimistic there. 😉 There are many challenges/barriers to the goal of any post-schism council being counted as ecumenical by both Catholics and Orthodox.
 
Peter_J said:
Hmmm, I think you’re being a tad optimistic there. 😉 There are many challenges/barriers to the goal of any post-schism council being counted as ecumenical by both Catholics and Orthodox.
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I like to be otimistic:)
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
wouldn’t that be an Intra Lutheran council?( which would have to come first I believe )
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That would not come easily. In fact, there’s every probability that members would vote down such a council as being unbiblical and quote Martin Luther’s statement about his conscience and Scripture.
 
LutheranScholar said:
That would not come easily. In fact, there’s every probability that members would vote down such a council as being unbiblical and quote Martin Luther’s statement about his conscience and Scripture.
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but it’s not impossible .
 
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