Ecumenism is a Protestant Heresy

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John Paul II acknowledges that ecumenism is a Protestant invention. It is this Protestant thing that has invaded the church. Protestanism is a heresy, and ecumenism is one of the heresies of Protestanism.
The ecclesiology of Protestanism is the ecclesiology of ecumenism. The ecclesiology of ecumenism is the ecclesiology of Cardinal Ratzinger; it is the ecclesiology of Hans King and all the Modernists. The man in charge of ecumenism in the church today, Cardinal Walter Kasper, is an ecumenist; his ecclessiology is Protestant.
In an Anglican church, in a pamphlet, I examined a presentation of the doctrine of Anglicanism, where it clearly states that we are not of different religions, we all form one Christian church. We are different denominations of the one Christian church, whether we call ourselves Roman, Catholic, Orthodox, Evangelical, Anglican or holy rollers for that matter. Whichever, these are all different denominations of the one Christian church.
They all profess their faith in Jesus Christ, all form one universal church.
This is ecumenism.
This is the ecclesiology of ecumenism. This is the heresy of ecumenism, which is diametrically opposed to the actual original teaching and tradition of the Catholic church, which the Lord bestowed, the Apostles proclaimed, and the Fathers safeguarded, as St. Athanasius explained.
The Catholic teaching about the Roman Catholic church isthat Jesus Christ, true God and true Man, founded the One holy Catholic and Apostolic church which will last until the end of time.
All other religions are false, not pleasing to god and unless a person leaves the false churches and joins the Roman Catholic church, and perserveres in the Catholic church until his death, he cannot save his soul. “Outside the church there is no salvation” has been solemnly defined three times by the Catholic popes.
There is only one God, and He revealed only one Divine Truth. There’s only one Divine Revelation, and it is found in the one church that He founded.
How can the Hindus and the Holy Rollers have a true religion together with the Catholic faith? And every different church and every different religion has conflicting doctrines. They teach different things, that are opposed and contradictory, as black is opposed to white. How can anyone say “Well in essence, they are all the same”?
 
My DH has a friend in England who has recently taken his simple vows (I believe) prior to becoming a Dominican priest. He said to DH once that ecumenism is only necessary while we still have heretics.

I’m inclined to agree.

~Liza
 
Ecumenism understood as a religiously indifferent pan-Christian movement was rejected by John Paul II (that’s what the Anglicans hold to). Ecumenism understood as the movement to re-unite the seperated Church’s and ecclesial communities to full communion in truth was taught by John Paul II in Ut Unum Sint and reaffirms the uniqueness and universality of the Catholic faith and Church.

I think you’re fighting a straw man by saying that Catholic ecumenism means Hinduism is equal to Catholicism.
 
lizaanne said:
My DH has a friend in England who has recently taken his simple vows (I believe) prior to becoming a Dominican priest. He said to DH once that ecumenism is only necessary while we still have heretics.

I’m inclined to agree.

~Liza
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Exactly, as John Paul II showed as the point of ecumenism quoting St. Augustine in Ut Unum Sint:
“May all shepherds thus be one in the one Shepherd; may they let the one voice of the Shepherd be heard; may the sheep hear this voice and follow their Shepherd, not this shepherd or that, but the only one; in him may they all let one voice be heard and not a babble of voices … the voice free of all division, purified of all heresy, that the sheep hear”.
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Ecumenism is diametrically opposed to the Catholic faith. And it is clearly evident when one examines ecumenism. John Paul II, in his ecyclical ‘Ut Unam Sint’, refers to ecumenism as having its origin in the so-called churches of the reform; the reformed churches, the reformation churches—in a single word----from the Protestants. He acknowledges that ecumenism is a Protestant invention.
 
Righteousone said:
Ecumenism is diametrically opposed to the Catholic faith. And it is clearly evident when one examines ecumenism. John Paul II, in his ecyclical ‘Ut Unam Sint’, refers to ecumenism as having its origin in the so-called churches of the reform; the reformed churches, the reformation churches—in a single word----from the Protestants. He acknowledges that ecumenism is a Protestant invention.
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A direct quote from JP2 on this would be helpful. 🙂
 
I agree as a NonDenom we cannot compromise on essentioal points
 
You may say that there is always a way that people can be reasonable, and try to live together peacefully, even if they have conflicting beliefs. But this is the thing we must understand about ecumenism: The beliefs themselves are conflicting; they are irreconcilable. And so we have to ask, in what direction does ecumenism go and what does it attempt to achieve?
If one is a freemason, if one is a communist, we understand exactly, then, what ecumenism will accomplish. It is there to accomplish something, namely to accomplish freemasonry’s goals, the communists goals, which include the anti-God, anti-Christ ideal of a One World Government, a One World Religion, a One World Tyranny to enslave all mankind.
But in the Catholic context, what can ecumenism accomplish? Can it accomplish something Catholic? Absolutely not. It is diametrically opposed to Catholicism. It attempts, in the Catholic context, to reconcile the irreconcilable.
Mohammed says “convert the world to Islam, and whoever does not embrace Islam, off with his head. Kill the Mushrik”.

Catholics convert by Grace and Missions.
 
Jesus christ said" ALL power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye ALL nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe ALL things whatsoever I have comanded you; and behold I am with you ALL days, even to the consummation of the world."
It is this work that will be accomplished. the Mohammedans, who use the sword, will weild the sword, and will accomplish nothing but the shedding of blood. But they will not conquer the world for Islam.
The world is filled with infidels and idolaters. Those who have the Catholic faith recognize this fact. But, unlike Islam, we’re not going to get our machine guns and our swords, and run through and fill with lead everyone who disagrees with our faith.

The Angels defend us.
 
When Attila the Hun was going to destroy Rome, Pope St. Leo met with Attila. He had twelve priests with him, while Attila had his vast army. Attila mocked the pope, “Where is your army?” And Pope Leo pointed to the heavens, and there Attila saw a vast army of angels. He fled in horror, and his army with him. They fled in terror.
Islam is a scourge; it is in a fight to the death with christianity, with the Catholic faith. It was inspired by the devil for the purpose of waging war against faith in Jesus Christ. Mohammed said “God will send five thousand angels to give victory to Islam, so don’t fear, go ahead into battle”.

World War III with Islam is prophesized.
 
So, do you thus reject the “ecumenism” with the Assyrian Church of the East which has very nearly brought that group back into full communion with the Catholic Church? Here is at least one tangible success of true ecumenism, which involves discussing differences leading to a true understanding and rectification of issues that allows for a group to reunify with the Catholic Church.

Ecumenism is NOT recognizing all denominations as equal, although many believe this and work to further that agenda. It also is NOT the watering down of Catholic doctrine to appease another group (although compromise on NON-doctrinal issues is possible). TRUE ecumenism is the very antithesis of this.
 
Genesis315 said:
Ecumenism understood as a religiously indifferent pan-Christian movement was rejected by John Paul II (that’s what the Anglicans hold to). Ecumenism understood as the movement to re-unite the seperated Church’s and ecclesial communities to full communion in truth was taught by John Paul II in Ut Unum Sint and reaffirms the uniqueness and universality of the Catholic faith and Church.

I think you’re fighting a straw man by saying that Catholic ecumenism means Hinduism is equal to Catholicism.
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Whoever said Hinduism is equal to Catholicism???:confused:
 
Hisalone said:
I agree as a NonDenom we cannot compromise on essentioal points
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Don’t confuse false ecumenism with the Church’s Mission and evangelization.

Mission is a requirement of the Church’s catholicity.

“God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 1 Tim 2:4

“Because the Church believes in God’s universal plan of salvation, the Church must be missionary.” CCC 851

If it is true that “outside the Church there is no salvation” CCC 846. Then the Catholic Church needs to be reaching out with all her might to our separated protestant brethren.

CCC 822 "Concern for achieving unity "involves the whole Church, faithful and clergy alike. But we must realize “that this holy objective–the reconciliation of all Christians in the unity of the one and only Church of Christ – transcends human powers and gifts.” That is why we place all our hope “in the prayer of Christ for the Church, in the love of the Father for us, and in the power of the Holy Spirit.”
CCC quotes are from unitatis redintegratio
From lumen gentium, Pope Paul VI
"This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority,which He erected for all ages as “the pillar and mainstay of the truth.” This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements**, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ**, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.
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Just as Christ carried out the work of redemption in poverty and persecution, so the Church is called to follow the same route that it might communicate the fruits of salvation to men. Christ Jesus"
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RighteousOne (interesting user name)

Based on your rambling posts, I do not believe you actually know what eccumenism actually is. There is no ecumenism with Freemasons or Communists. Eccumenism is the effort to bring Protestants back into the Church.

Your wild assertions seem to indicate that you have been reading literature from sources which are not very obedient to Rome.

I will freely admit that there have been some who, under the guise of ecumenism, have watered-down the faith, proposed heresy and apostasy and have even committed sacrilege. THAT is false ecumenism.

One the other hand, a schismatic group in Iraq which has been separated from the Catholic Church for hundreds of years, has recently returned to full communion. Without compromising Church teaching. That is true ecumenism.

As for your overall tone, I would suggest that you pull back a bit. Much more and you run the risk of getting banned from this forum. I honestly would not want that to happen.
 
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RighteousOne (interesting user name)

Based on your rambling posts, I do not believe you actually know what eccumenism actually is. There is no ecumenism with Freemasons or Communists. Eccumenism is the effort to bring Protestants back into the Church.

Your wild assertions seem to indicate that you have been reading literature from sources which are not very obedient to Rome.

I will freely admit that there have been some who, under the guise of ecumenism, have watered-down the faith, proposed heresy and apostasy and have even committed sacrilege. THAT is false ecumenism.

One the other hand, a schismatic group in Iraq which has been separated from the Catholic Church for hundreds of years, has recently returned to full communion. Without compromising Church teaching. That is true ecumenism.

As for your overall tone, I would suggest that you pull back a bit. Much more and you run the risk of getting banned from this forum. I honestly would not want that to happen.
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What is a quasi-traditional Catholic?
 
Righteousone said:
Ecumenism is diametrically opposed to the Catholic faith. And it is clearly evident when one examines ecumenism. John Paul II, in his ecyclical ‘Ut Unam Sint’, refers to ecumenism as having its origin in the so-called churches of the reform; the reformed churches, the reformation churches—in a single word----from the Protestants. He acknowledges that ecumenism is a Protestant invention.
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The modern movement may have been started by them, but the Catholic Church saw it as them having more openness to authentic unity–the Catholic Church entered the discussion, but on her own terms proclaiming that she already posseses the unity Christ wills His Church to have, but that all other Christians (and non-Christians, although ecumenism properly so called refers to Christian groups) are called to that unity as well.
 
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