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whyeyeman
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I don’t think that’s the only alternative mate!
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Don_Ruggero
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Fake?
Then you have absolutely no concept of ecclesiology whatsoever.
As for Martin Luther, we began celebrating his 500th anniversary with his birthday in 1983. You remember? With Pope Saint John Paul II? Johannes Cardinal Willebrands? The wonderful successor to the phenomenal Augustin Cardinal Bea? It was in 1983 that the Church acclaimed Martin Luther as “Witness of Jesus Christ”. I happen to remember it like yesterday.
If you wish to cry…well that is all the sadder for you. For my part, it is new day of more events related to the commemoration and I bid you goodbye in order to attend to them.
Then you have absolutely no concept of ecclesiology whatsoever.
As for Martin Luther, we began celebrating his 500th anniversary with his birthday in 1983. You remember? With Pope Saint John Paul II? Johannes Cardinal Willebrands? The wonderful successor to the phenomenal Augustin Cardinal Bea? It was in 1983 that the Church acclaimed Martin Luther as “Witness of Jesus Christ”. I happen to remember it like yesterday.
If you wish to cry…well that is all the sadder for you. For my part, it is new day of more events related to the commemoration and I bid you goodbye in order to attend to them.
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josh987654321
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Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag. I think you’ve proved my point.
You maybe, but not me.
“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
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Catholicos
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I hate to say it, but I’ll second what Spyridon has stated. I was very surprised at the attacks by many EO. To me it was far worse than ones from Protestants for the very reason that EO should know better. They know Church history and can’t deny the Catholic Churches place in Western Christendom, even if they are repulsed by the papacy. It’s unfortunate since in my point of view, Ecumenism and reunification with the EO makes the most sense. Doctrinally and historically many of the differences can be reconciled. The Eastern Rite Catholic Churches is a perfect example.
With many Protestant denominations, even the mainline ones, that shared Tradition and history is just not there. Besides that, even many Protestants will acknowledge that they themselves are unable to unify their various denominations. A schism is reconcilable, a reformation sadly is not.
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josh987654321
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I was born in 1992, and with all due respect, Martin Luther? “Witness of Jesus Christ”? Well I suppose I should schism from the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and one day I may earn that title right? I would never do that though because I certainly don’t celebrate those like Martin Luther.
“For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
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Don_Ruggero
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In the years I have been speaking English, I’ve never encountered an instance where the occasion of a birth or the anniversary of a birth is paired with any other word than “celebrate.” We celebrate their birthday.
What word do the Australians use instead? Perhaps @roseeurekacross would enlighten me.
What word do the Australians use instead? Perhaps @roseeurekacross would enlighten me.
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josh987654321
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Why Martin Luther’s? of all people?
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graciew
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Father, it remains in the heart of those who made the effort and in the heart of the Church.
God knows the effort,step by step…
Be glad ,stay glad!
And post often,if you can and if you want. We learn,it adds…
Glad to read you really.
God knows the effort,step by step…
Be glad ,stay glad!
And post often,if you can and if you want. We learn,it adds…
Glad to read you really.
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JamalChristophr
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I thought Fr. Ruggero’s reference to this document would be of interest, so I went and located it to see what could be gleaned:
http://www.prounione.urbe.it/dia-int/l-rc/doc/e_l-rc_luther.html
http://www.prounione.urbe.it/dia-int/l-rc/doc/e_l-rc_luther.html
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Don_Ruggero
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Have no fear. Mine is a joy that no one in this forum could take…in fact they rather pale to nothingness next to the extraordinary people I worked with across these decades. It is a joy born of so many years of work I never could have expected in my priesthood all those years ago.
There are many, speaking of Cardinal Bea, that I do wish could be in our midst right now, for this moment, rather than being the subject of recollections and reminiscences of those of us left behind to remember them…but that is selfish to want them back here since they see this as part of the Church Triumphant rather than the Pilgrim Church here.
There are many, speaking of Cardinal Bea, that I do wish could be in our midst right now, for this moment, rather than being the subject of recollections and reminiscences of those of us left behind to remember them…but that is selfish to want them back here since they see this as part of the Church Triumphant rather than the Pilgrim Church here.
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Roseeurekacross
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I have doubts about the Australianity of that particular chatter.
We definately celebrate birthdays. Or cry if we had too many. But then we reach 100,have a huge celebration and a letter of congrats from Her Majesty!
We definately celebrate birthdays. Or cry if we had too many. But then we reach 100,have a huge celebration and a letter of congrats from Her Majesty!
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Roseeurekacross
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i am about to start a battlecry of take back the forum! Rise to the challenge of Eureka, where did my nice forum go.
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Don_Ruggero
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Now yours is an Aussie answer, if ever I heard one.
Thank you for that, very much.
And I hope you get to have one of those letters in the midst of a long, happy, and healthy life…to kick start a second century.
Cheers, Roseeurekacross!
Thank you for that, very much.
And I hope you get to have one of those letters in the midst of a long, happy, and healthy life…to kick start a second century.
Cheers, Roseeurekacross!
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Roseeurekacross
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thankyou Father
there is hope, they took my great grandmas horse off her and hid him at the other end of the farm after she fell off him at 101yrs. She was a Church of England typre religion. no idea which one.
I pray you have a wonderful celebration in these days
there is hope, they took my great grandmas horse off her and hid him at the other end of the farm after she fell off him at 101yrs. She was a Church of England typre religion. no idea which one.
I pray you have a wonderful celebration in these days
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Don_Ruggero
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Oh my! I am impressed. I’ll have to see what else from that era of the Centro has been digitised. Splendid. Of course, what you discovered is part of the bedrock of From Conflict to Communion.
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josh987654321
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Australianity? What’s an Australian poster supposed to look like? Whether you like it or not, I am Australian and the personal attacks only show you can’t refute what I’ve said.
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Roseeurekacross
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what am I meant to be refuting?
must have missed it
must have missed it
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josh987654321
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My responses to Don_Ruggero.
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graciew
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Well, to tell you the truth,I ’ d love a thread with no interruptions called " Story time".
It is very enjoyable to hear those memories anyway.
I won t be afraid,ok, and perhaps we can hear your stories more often,Monsignor…
As we move foward in our Pilgrimage…
It is very enjoyable to hear those memories anyway.
I won t be afraid,ok, and perhaps we can hear your stories more often,Monsignor…
As we move foward in our Pilgrimage…
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Don_Ruggero
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My answer wouldn’t have Pope Benedict’s eloquence in 2011
/…/ I would like first of all to say how deeply grateful I am that we are able to come together. I am particularly grateful to you, my dear brother, Pastor Schneider, for receiving me and for the words with which you have welcomed me here among you. You have opened your heart and openly expressed a truly shared faith, a longing for unity. And we are also glad, for I believe that this session, our meetings here, are also being celebrated as the feast of our shared faith /…/
As the Bishop of Rome, it is deeply moving for me to be meeting you here in the ancient Augustinian convent in Erfurt. As we have just heard, this is where Luther studied theology. This is where he celebrated his first Mass /…/ What constantly exercised him was the question of God, the deep passion and driving force of his whole life’s journey. “How do I receive the grace of God?”: this question struck him in the heart and lay at the foundation of all his theological searching and inner struggle. For Luther theology was no mere academic pursuit, but the struggle for oneself, which in turn was a struggle for and with God
“How do I receive the grace of God?” The fact that this question was the driving force of his whole life never ceases to make a deep impression on me /…/The question: what is God’s position towards me, where do I stand before God? /…/ In my view, this is the first summons we should attend to in our encounter with Martin Luther
/…/ Luther’s thinking, his whole spirituality, was thoroughly Christocentric: “What promotes Christ’s cause” was for Luther the decisive hermeneutical criterion for the exegesis of sacred Scripture. This presupposes, however, that Christ is at the heart of our spirituality and that love for him, living in communion with him, is what guides our life
Now perhaps one might say: /…/ what has this to do with our ecumenical situation? /…/ I would respond by saying that the first and most important thing for ecumenism is that we keep in view just how much we have in common /…/ It was the error of the Reformation period that for the most part we could only see what divided us and we failed to grasp existentially what we have in common in terms of the great deposit of sacred Scripture and the early Christian creeds. For me, the great ecumenical step forward of recent decades is that we have become aware of all this common ground, that we acknowledge it as we pray and sing together, as we make our joint commitment to the Christian ethos /…/ as we bear common witness to the God of Jesus Christ in this world as our inalienable, shared foundation
/…/ This is a key ecumenical task in which we have to help one another: developing a deeper and livelier faith /…/ As the martyrs of the Nazi era brought us together and prompted that great initial ecumenical opening, so today, faith that is lived from deep within amid a secularized world is the most powerful ecumenical force that brings us together, guiding us towards unity in the one Lord. And we pray to him, asking that we may learn to live the faith anew, and that in this way we may then become one
/…/ I would like first of all to say how deeply grateful I am that we are able to come together. I am particularly grateful to you, my dear brother, Pastor Schneider, for receiving me and for the words with which you have welcomed me here among you. You have opened your heart and openly expressed a truly shared faith, a longing for unity. And we are also glad, for I believe that this session, our meetings here, are also being celebrated as the feast of our shared faith /…/
As the Bishop of Rome, it is deeply moving for me to be meeting you here in the ancient Augustinian convent in Erfurt. As we have just heard, this is where Luther studied theology. This is where he celebrated his first Mass /…/ What constantly exercised him was the question of God, the deep passion and driving force of his whole life’s journey. “How do I receive the grace of God?”: this question struck him in the heart and lay at the foundation of all his theological searching and inner struggle. For Luther theology was no mere academic pursuit, but the struggle for oneself, which in turn was a struggle for and with God
“How do I receive the grace of God?” The fact that this question was the driving force of his whole life never ceases to make a deep impression on me /…/The question: what is God’s position towards me, where do I stand before God? /…/ In my view, this is the first summons we should attend to in our encounter with Martin Luther
/…/ Luther’s thinking, his whole spirituality, was thoroughly Christocentric: “What promotes Christ’s cause” was for Luther the decisive hermeneutical criterion for the exegesis of sacred Scripture. This presupposes, however, that Christ is at the heart of our spirituality and that love for him, living in communion with him, is what guides our life
Now perhaps one might say: /…/ what has this to do with our ecumenical situation? /…/ I would respond by saying that the first and most important thing for ecumenism is that we keep in view just how much we have in common /…/ It was the error of the Reformation period that for the most part we could only see what divided us and we failed to grasp existentially what we have in common in terms of the great deposit of sacred Scripture and the early Christian creeds. For me, the great ecumenical step forward of recent decades is that we have become aware of all this common ground, that we acknowledge it as we pray and sing together, as we make our joint commitment to the Christian ethos /…/ as we bear common witness to the God of Jesus Christ in this world as our inalienable, shared foundation
/…/ This is a key ecumenical task in which we have to help one another: developing a deeper and livelier faith /…/ As the martyrs of the Nazi era brought us together and prompted that great initial ecumenical opening, so today, faith that is lived from deep within amid a secularized world is the most powerful ecumenical force that brings us together, guiding us towards unity in the one Lord. And we pray to him, asking that we may learn to live the faith anew, and that in this way we may then become one
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