"Ecumenism"?

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Stephen168 said:
You must know it is relevant that is why you are not answering the questions.
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I do not see any relevance at all. And as the OP here, I would like to stay on topic, and not irrelevant rabbit holes.

If you have relevance, please state it as I asked.
 
jane_doe said:
I do not see any relevance at all. And as the OP here, I would like to stay on topic, and not irrelevant rabbit holes.

If you have relevance, please state it as I asked.
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So you are not interested in understanding. You want to teach and us to agree. That is the opposite of ecumenism.
 
jane_doe said:
I feel I’m missing part of the story here and/or misunderstanding things. Anyone care to help me out?
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I would say it would be similar to Apostle Paul Palmieri working with all the other latter-day-saint groups to unite them under the true successor to Joseph Smith.
 
Stephen168 said:
So you are not interested in understanding. You want to teach and us to agree. That is the opposite of ecumenism.
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A) from what I’ve seen thus heard thus “ecumenism” has nothing to do with teaching.

B) I do want to understand, which is why I’ve been painfully banging my head against this brick wall. If I did not want to understand, then I could have simply walked away a long time ago and saved myself much time and a painful headache.
 
Stephen168 said:
I would say it would be similar to Apostle Paul Palmieri working with all the other latter-day-saint groups to unite them under the true successor to Joseph Smith.
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Except the the bolded part is not a thing at all. If someone (anyone from anywhere) is interested in becoming a Mormon, then they must be taught and choose to be baptized.

May I also point out that MANY churches view themselves as the successor to Paul, not just Catholics. Would you like their church to assimilate yours?
 
jane_doe said:
Except the the bolded part is not a thing at all. If someone (anyone from anywhere) is interested in becoming a Mormon, then they must be taught and choose to be baptized.
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If I want to be a member of the church started by Joseph Smith I could just have Paul Palmieri baptize me.
 
Stephen168 said:
If I want to be a member of the church started by Joseph Smith I could just have Paul Palmieri baptize me.
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If you have relevance, could you please get to it? I don’t appreciate being led down rabbit holes.
 
jane_doe said:
  1. The whole methodology behind this mass proselytization, particularly the part where Catholics don’t get out of the pews to talk to Anglicans/Baptists/whatever.
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If Paul Palmieri decided we wanted to work on latter-day-saint unity, he would talk to Thomas S. Monson. You would not have to leave the pew, because you do not represent the brighamite branch of the lds movement.
 
Stephen168 said:
If Paul Palmieri decided we wanted to work on latter-day-saint unity, he would talk to Thomas S. Monson. You would not have to leave the pew, because you do not represent the brighamite branch of the lds movement.
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False.

Again, if anybody wanted to join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then they must be taught, have faith, and choose to be baptized. As individuals.

There is no “merger” of churches. There is simply do you (individually) wish to be a member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or not.
 
jane_doe said:
False.

Again, if anybody wanted to join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then they must be taught, have faith, and choose to be baptized. As individuals.

There is no “merger” of churches. There is simply do you (individually) wish to be a member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or not.
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Stephen168 said:
So you are not interested in understanding. You want to teach and us to agree. That is the opposite of ecumenism.
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Stephen168:
Did you mean to put text in there?

(Possible phone glitch?)
 
jane_doe said:
False.
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The Catholic Church knows its history. We know that Protestantism is a ‘thing.’ We share the same baptism, we are all Christians. The Catholic Church would like to return to the unity of belief we all once shared or that we may have always shared, but failed to realize it. That requires dialogue and a desire for understanding.

Mormons don’t know their history enough to realize they are broken. The latter-day-saint movement shattered into pieces after the death of Joseph Smith and it continues to break. AND jane doe doesn’t seem to care. Doesn’t care to understand. Doesn’t care about ecumenism.
 
Stephen168 said:
The Catholic Church knows its history. We know that Protestantism is a ‘thing.’ We share the same baptism, we are all Christians. The Catholic Church would like to return to the unity of belief we all once shared or that we may have always shared, but failed to realize it. That requires dialogue and a desire for understanding.

Mormons don’t know their history enough to realize they are broken. The latter-day-saint movement shattered into pieces after the death of Joseph Smith and it continues to break. AND jane doe doesn’t seem to care. Doesn’t care to understand. Doesn’t care about ecumenism.
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Stephan, I am trying really hard here to avoid the conclusion that Catholics are… suffice it to say I’ve gotten a really bad taste in my mouth this thread. I know that Catholic people and the Catholic church is better than this nasty taste, and I’m trying really to see that view. Your arrogant uninformed comments like this are being quite unhelpful in that quest. Please, if you want to help, then help. Otherwise, please go elsewhere.
 
jane_doe said:
Again, if anybody wanted to join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then they must be taught, have faith, and choose to be baptized. As individuals.
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And if somebody wanted to be Christian they could be baptized by an Anglican, Baptist, Methodist, Luther, or a Catholic.
 
jane_doe said:
False.

Again, if anybody wanted to join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then they must be taught, have faith, and choose to be baptized. As individuals.

There is no “merger” of churches. There is simply do you (individually) wish to be a member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or not.
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Individual Christians, who are not Catholic, are already taught and baptized Christians. The church’s they belong to are already Christain churches.

You’re enforcing your idea of church onto us, and then calling it horrifying!

Church, is the Body of Christ, which includes ALL validly baptized Christians. We are already one Church, sometimes called the invisible church. Ecumenism is working towards making the invisible, visible.
 
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