My comment above on JonNC’s post applies here too.
They were exercising their 1st amendment rights of free speech. The police should be very reluctant to use teargas when that’s all they were doing.
By now everyone realizes that this stat is because there are six times as many whites as blacks. No one is fooled by this anymore.
What isn’t serious is the ridiculous Blanket claim that PolIce are not judicious with tear gas.
Very relevant. Had the mob not destroyed the church, police would not have been there.
Oh, I see. The racist cops kill many more white people because they are racist against blacks.
Last I heard burning churches is not a protected right, unless your mayor is a progressive.
And that is a straw man argument, but I never made a blanket claim. I made a statistical claim.
So, if I punch someone in the face, I can excuse my behavior by saying “if your face wasn’t there it would not have gotten punched.” Lame.LeafByNiggle:
Very relevant. Had the mob not destroyed the church, police would not have been there.
Another deliberately obtuse argument. Obviously if there are more whites, and if most police killings are justified (which they are) the number of whites killed will reflect their presence in the population.LeafByNiggle:
Oh, I see. The racist cops kill many more white people because they are racist against blacks.
A lot of civilians of all races have been killed by police. Doesn’t justify police violence.
Because when I said you cannot demonize all police because of the actions of a few YOU said . . .
And you applied it to PRIESTS!
Sure you did.
Did you say “some”? A “few”? A “small percentage “?
Exactly! To the extent that a small number of police, mostly in progressive run cities, have used excessive force without cause, they should be held accountable. It isn’t about race. It is about abuse of power.
Perhaps, but then in other countries other rights are limited by government.
No idea. It happens in progressive run cities. I’m not a progressive.
The ethnicity of the police officers involved are of very little consequence in determining systemic racism. The charge is that the system itself is racist and produces racist outcomes. Police officers of any race, being a product of the system, will tend to produce the racist outcomes. Notice that I said “tend to produce” because the vast majority of police officers are sincerely trying to be just in the performance of their duties. But still racism happens despite the inherent goodness of most officers. But if the system were changed, like by introducing police reforms that emphasized deescalation more than confrontation, outcomes could improve.
Sure blame it on progressives. I think it is an American problem and this includes all Americans. We need to work together to solve society’s problems. Separating and being hostile to what we think as an adversary is counterproductive.
That is true. They should be. But it is dishonest to train them to one standard, and then discipline them by another standard. When there are too many bad apples in your orchard, maybe you should try growing something else.
We need to stop assuming racism as the root cause of everything. I think it’s a much stronger argument to say that humans look for pattern recognition, and when you look at everything though the lens of racism that’s what you’re going to see.
We don’t assume. We infer from statistics. Is is “just an accident” that so many blacks are dying under questionable circumstances at the hands of police?
That is true. Police are not all that fair to poor whites either. There is a problem with police that has racial consequences, but it goes beyond racism. If training were changed, it would bring down both black and white deaths.
A good deep investigation by a third party will need to be done.
So how do you say it’s “systemic racism” then say that it affects whites as well as blacks?
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It is both. It affects blacks more, but still could be better for whites too.LeafByNiggle:
So how do you say it’s “systemic racism” then say that it affects whites as well as blacks?