Edward Snowdon: Hero or Traitor?

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estesbob said:
Neither. A publicity seeker who abandoned his Girlfriend and is now savoring every moment of his 15 minutes of fame
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Regardless of what people think on this issue, I think what you are saying here is absurd. This man has just put one of the biggest targets on his back, if he survives this ordeal he will likely have to live out the remainder of his life in a foreign country, doing some run of the mill job in relative isolation, looking over his shoulder everyday.

Your characterization couldn’t be farther from the truth in my opinion; you don’t do what Snowden did in order to get publicity, 15 minutes of fame, or for personal benefit. Snowden has lost his job, has lost his home, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he never sees his family again. You say he abandoned his girlfriend, but honestly, it was probably in her best interest that he not implicate her in what he did; do you honestly think things would have turned out better for her if he let her in on what he was doing and took her with him? Certainly not.
 
Ok, there was no “oath”. He was a “contractor”.

They sign a piece of paper. More than likely the “contractor” knows exactly what Snowden knows and is more than likely asking questions like “Did you screen this guy before you hired him?” OTOH, if he were a government employee, he would be subject to the “oath”, and intensely investigated “BEFORE” he got the job at that level. Contractors do not have to jump through hoops, smoke and mirrors, etc. to hire their employees. They just have to tell the gov. “yeah, he’s good, we investigated him.”

Look for the many articles about illegal aliens with no clearance working on military installations. Yeah, they were hired by a contractor.:rolleyes:
 
Mr. Snowdon is the hero and our President is the traitor.

This dichotomy is true for the following reasons:

Mr. Snowdon is a hero because he is exposing the abuse of power perpetrated by this administration under pretense of fighting terror and it’s resulting loss of our freedom. Mr. Obama was correct when debating the Patriot Act. His concern was that in the future, a President could use this very law to abridge our rights under the constitutuion.

Our President is a traitor because he has become the actual threat to our rights that he feared when debating the merits of the Patriot Act.
 
Gavroche said:
Regardless of what people think on this issue, I think what you are saying here is absurd. This man has just put one of the biggest targets on his back, if he survives this ordeal he will likely have to live out the remainder of his life in a foreign country, doing some run of the mill job in relative isolation, looking over his shoulder everyday.

Your characterization couldn’t be farther from the truth in my opinion; you don’t do what Snowden did in order to get publicity, 15 minutes of fame, or for personal benefit. Snowden has lost his job, has lost his home, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he never sees his family again. You say he abandoned his girlfriend, but honestly, it was probably in her best interest that he not implicate her in what he did; do you honestly think things would have turned out better for her if he let her in on what he was doing and took her with him? Certainly not.
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He is going to move to China and be a national hero.
 
HansTrappist said:
The program that Snowden exposed was never legal to begin with, so your cut and paste is moot.

Snowden is a hero. Obama is the real criminal and his entire Administration needs to be put on trial, not just for this latest offense but for the really big offense: supporting Murder (aka Abortion and now Contraception) on demand.
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thanks for the example of circular reasoning.

ProTip: this kind of duly enacted law is presumptively constitutional, your opinion notwithstanding.
 
Gavroche said:
Regardless of what people think on this issue, I think what you are saying here is absurd. This man has just put one of the biggest targets on his back, if he survives this ordeal he will likely have to live out the remainder of his life in a foreign country, doing some run of the mill job in relative isolation, looking over his shoulder everyday.

Your characterization couldn’t be farther from the truth in my opinion; you don’t do what Snowden did in order to get publicity, 15 minutes of fame, or for personal benefit. Snowden has lost his job, has lost his home, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he never sees his family again. You say he abandoned his girlfriend, but honestly, it was probably in her best interest that he not implicate her in what he did; do you honestly think things would have turned out better for her if he let her in on what he was doing and took her with him? Certainly not.
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might be espionage. maybe he’s a comsymp.
 
Fairwinds said:
thanks for the example of circular reasoning.

ProTip: this kind of duly enacted law is presumptively constitutional, your opinion notwithstanding.
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Thanks for not explaining how it is circular reasoning.
 
Fairwinds said:
the I-hate-America-brigade checks in.

I want him to stand trial and be sentenced for treason.
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Are you Catholic first and then american? Or american first and then Catholic? The two are opposing forces right now. America has started more wars and done more harm than most any other nation. If you want to ignorantly believe that it’s all for national security and the greater good, go right ahead. I will not support this nation because I am Catholic. Christ is my King, not a failing nation mired in immorality.
 
SaintFrancis333 said:
Are you Catholic first and then american? Or american first and then Catholic? The two are opposing forces right now. America has started more wars and done more harm than most any other nation. If you want to ignorantly believe that it’s all for national security and the greater good, go right ahead. I will not support this nation because I am Catholic. Christ is my King, not a failing nation mired in immorality.
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I don’t see it as that. I’d rather be a Catholic in the USofA than anywhere else, primarily because I’m a citizen here, own property, have family, gun dogs and a professional career as an important part of the Matrix.

I don’t know what you mean by not supporting the country. the country does fine, so long as you’re not evading taxes. you don’t have to serve America anywhere, although many of us here are veterans (I managed not to start a war during my Navy days as a junior officer, for this, I feel vaguely unsatisfied).

I think the traitor Snowdon is a traitor and Obama and Bush and the administrations that preceded them engaged in criminal misconduct in the overreaching collection of intelligence. no one is going to come out looking good here.

I like Chesterton’s quote about Rome, adopted for the USofA: “Men do not love America because she was great. She is great because they love her.”
 
If the Government was doing something illegal, it shouldn’t be wrong to point it out to the people they took from. The government was stealing our trust, so we had a right to know about it. The government is to serve the people, not the other way around. I don’t see him as a traitor at all.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It is impossible for me to believe he could not have gone to some congressman or to the Inspector General.
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Why would he? The program is perfectly legal and he probably knows that. It has been implemented for the last 12 years. He cannot be considered either a traitor or a hero for “revealing” a program that Congress, and anyone in the general public who’s been paying attention for the last 12 years, already knows about and was widely reported in the media.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
Why would he? The program is perfectly legal and he probably knows that. It has been implemented for the last 12 years. He cannot be considered either a traitor or a hero for “revealing” a program that Congress, and anyone in the general public who’s been paying attention for the last 12 years, already knows about and was widely reported in the media.
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It’s only legal until someone challenges it and the court says its unconstitutional.
 
What do you want to bet that this law allows everyone to be spied on except for politicians ? And if it doesn’t exempt them it soon will. While they may not read every email or listen to every phone call, you know how easy it will be for who ever is in charge to spy on their political enemies. Congress should be more afraid of this than any one else. Listening to calls going to rouge countries is one thing but every domestic call made being stored is a big over reach.
 
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