Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

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mommamia said:
We have to start somewhere 👍 I don’t know who I will vote for, certainly not Obama…but I’m having a hard time swallowing Romney’s lies also. I’m not saying it won’t change, but right now I’m hoping that a good third party candidate will show up.

But it is very defeatist to declare that all you have to choose from is who the major parties put on the ballot. We have other choices, just folks have given up.
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People are NOT giving-up, they are behaving maturely and pragmatically. The simple truth is a third party candidate has ZERO chance at winning anything, and the most such a person could hope to get is six-percent of the vote total (just look at history). The problem is, that six-percent might make the difference one way, or the other, for one of the major candidates.

So, voting third party is in fact going to help one of the major candidates, while hurting the other.
 
Personanongrata said:
I support Obama and I don’t think he is the most pro-abortion President.
Romney is NOT pro-life. He only says what he thinks is necessary to get elected. Americans are free to believe what they want. Apparently on this issue Romney continues to fool many people, and some are Catholic.
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You can read Romney’s mind? He has supported life for a long time now…yet you somehow know something he does not know? Please, inform us…
 
Personanongrata said:
…Apparently on this issue Romney continues to fool many people, and some are Catholic.
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And, Obama fools some Catholics as well. But, some Catholics aren’t being fooled at all and support Obama anyway, knowing what he supports and just dismiss the non-negotiable issues for Catholics. You support abortion, homosexual marriage and assisted suicide, so I guess that is why you are happy to vote for Obama. But, hopefully most Catholics will join together and vote him out in November. If we stand together, we can get him out of office. I’m not thrilled with Romney, but voting for anyone else is a vote for the man in the oval office now and I cannot wait to get him out of office and out of power, so my vote goes to Romney. It is not so much a vote for Romney, but a vote against Obama.
 
Personanongrata said:
I support Obama and I don’t think he is the most pro-abortion President.
Romney is NOT pro-life. He only says what he thinks is necessary to get elected. Americans are free to believe what they want. Apparently on this issue Romney continues to fool many people, and some are Catholic.
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Mental gymnastics. 🤷
 
Personanongrata said:
I support Obama and I don’t think he is the most pro-abortion President.
Romney is NOT pro-life. He only says what he thinks is necessary to get elected. Americans are free to believe what they want. Apparently on this issue Romney continues to fool many people, and some are Catholic.
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This is how I see it:President Obama has shown by his words and his actions that continued legal access to abortion is extremely important. He worked, spoke, and voted against the Illinois Babies Born Alive Act, *which even NARAL was not against, *that is how determined he is about abortion.

Romney is a bit of a cipher in this area. He was pro-abortion, now he is pro-life. His feet can at least be held to the fire, and he probably will not *push *the abortion issue like Obama does.

I say, Hey, if someone wants to vote for Obama, that’s their business, but don’t try to minimize his stance on abortion to justify voting for him.

So, Romney is not great in this area, but Obama is absolutely horrific.
 
St_Francis said:
This is how I see it:President Obama has shown by his words and his actions that continued legal access to abortion is extremely important. He worked, spoke, and voted against the Illinois Babies Born Alive Act, *which even NARAL was not against, *that is how determined he is about abortion.

Romney is a bit of a cipher in this area. He was pro-abortion, now he is pro-life. His feet can at least be held to the fire, and he probably will not *push *the abortion issue like Obama does.

I say, Hey, if someone wants to vote for Obama, that’s their business, but don’t try to minimize his stance on abortion to justify voting for him.

So, Romney is not great in this area, but Obama is absolutely horrific.
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I agree with you that Romney is imperfect, but I don’t think he is a cipher. If you look at his record as governor, you will see pro-life actions (vetos). Considering the state he was governor of, he woudn’t have vetoed those pieces of legislation, if he wasn’t genuine.

nationalreview.com/corner/288130/governor-romney-was-great-friend-pro-life-movement-massachusetts-kathryn-jean-lopez
I’m Mary Ann Glendon and I am a founding member of Women Affirming Life and I have been active in the pro-life movement in Massachusetts and nationally for three decades. [Internationally, too.] The pro-life movement is all about changing hearts and minds and it struck me as very unfortunate that Mitt Romney has been criticized by some people for coming to a pro-life position on the basis of information. That’s what the pro-life movement is all about. Governor Romney showed great political courage and expended much of his political capital in supporting pro-life measures when he was here in Massachusetts. It was a very difficult political environment. 85 percent of the state legislature is Democrat controlled.

Governor Romney in that environment vetoed legislation that would have permitted destructive embryonic research; he vetoed legislation that would have permitted the over the counter sale of the morning after pill; he supported abstinence education in the schools.

Governor Romney was a great friend to the pro-life movement in Massachusetts. In a very difficult political environment, when many doors of the State House were closed to us, we always were welcomed by Governor Romney and his staff. He was a great pro-life governor and he will be a great pro-life president.
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irishpatrick said:
Romney states he is for traditional marriage and will defend it. Romney states he is prolife and will defend innocent life. Romney states he will repeal Obamacare and will change the tax code to help the middle class and corporations so more jobs can remain in the USA.
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Yes. And I will take him at his word and vote my conscience.
irishpatrick said:
Now, Obama takes the opposite position on every issue
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Indeed. There is no way that any God fearing Catholic or Orthodox can vote for this man and his abominable attacks against the unborn child in the womb.
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BTW, the message of religious liberty is critical because we are staring at the very real possibility of losing them. The Bishops know that…and the HHS mandate proves it is true.
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He who has ears…let him hear!
 
irishpatrick said:
Romney states he is for traditional marriage and will defend it. Romney states he is prolife and will defend innocent life.
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Unfortunately, Romney’s statements are nothing but Republican boilerplate; trotted out when it comes time for the election, to be forgotten afterward. He also has no problem taking money from those for whom the Catholic social agenda is not a high priority. Money has trumped Catholic votes every time. There is no reason to think it will be different this time.
 
St_Francis said:
Romney was dead last on my list of Republican candidates, but I will still vote for him in November.

Most Catholics seem divided between the life issues with which the Republicans agree with the Church, and the issues of poverty, with which it seems that the Democrats are more in line with the Church.

However, there are problems with each party. The Republicans tend to be wimpy, but they have gotten a lot of pieces with the life issues. Abortion is still legal, but more people now disagree with abortion-on-demand than every before, and the Supreme Court has finally stopped ruling every single law that could possibly be seen as a restriction to abortion as unConstitutional. So I see the Republcans making steps in the right direction on these issues, even if they haven’t managed to accomplish everything we would like them to.

In terms of the Democrats, yes, they are for giving taxpayer-earned money to poor people. And this looks good when compared to Church teaching. But I gotta admit, when I see someone working on a problem and everything they do makes the problem *worse, *I gotta wonder how invested they are in truly *solving *the problem.

When I see that the “solutions” the Democrats propose almost uniformly don’t work, I have to wonder what is going on with that? Why is it that the state of the poorest among us after 40 years of the War on Poverty is really much worse than it was? Why is it that the poor are much more likely to be put into prison with all the aid they receive from the government than they were back when there was very little government aid? Why is it that the schools for the poor are in every way worse off then they were back then? (except in terms of drop-out rates, since back then it was much less of a problem to drop out than it is now). Why is it that Americans spend generations in poverty?

And the one thing I have to wonder most of all: why is the party of the “little guy” so intent on not protecting the littlest ones among us?

So I can’t really say that I would be inclined to vote for the Democrats if the life issues weren’t an issue. I am not thrilled with the Republicans and would be very happy to see another party come along which was more truly in line with Church teaching *in every area. *
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Yes, I agree that the life issue is the most important reason to vote Romney.

I have to say that the Catholic charities is the second largest giving charity in the world! Catholics give to the poor, Republicans and Democrats!

The problem with voting Democrat is that you will be supporting Obama’s healthcare mandate which means that the employers of our Catholic charities, hospitals and institutions will not be able to afford to pay for their employees insurance. Many will have to shut down because of this. They have already closed down some of these for financial and moral reasons. The poor will not be getting the food that they used too. There will be more poor people. The administration is slowly taking away our religious freedom.:mad:
 
Well, I can say one thing for sure, I am NOT going to vote for Obama. I am also not going to waste my vote so that means I’ll be voting for Romney.
 
I can’t stand Obama and I definitely don’t want him in office another term. I’m thinking Romney, but I’m still not clear as to whether he supports abortion in cases where the mother is raped or her life is in danger. I’m hoping we get a definitive answer soon.

I really wish that Rick Santorum was in the running. He probably wouldn’t win, but it would be nice to have an authentic Catholic in office.

My mom had a superb idea – instead of voting for Obama or Romney, she suggested that we write in “Jesus Christ”! Wouldn’t that be awesome?
 
irishpatrick said:
There is no such thing as a perfect candidate–we must always make a choice between imperfect people. 🙂
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Or not choose at all. I certainly won’t vote for Obama, and I don’t vote for Republicans. I’ll have to do what I did in '08 - take a pass on the Presidential candidates. 🤷
 
gnjsdad said:
Unfortunately, Romney’s statements are nothing but Republican boilerplate; trotted out when it comes time for the election, to be forgotten afterward. He also has no problem taking money from those for whom the Catholic social agenda is not a high priority. Money has trumped Catholic votes every time. There is no reason to think it will be different this time.
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Of course he takes money from a wide base–he wants to win.

Republicans DO want to make abortion illegal–they just have not had the numbers to get it done. Instead, they have tried to rely on the Supreme Court, which we now see will likely not be much help. What we need is far more Republicans in Congress, with a Republican President–that will get the job done once and for all! We cannot give up now!

Further, the many years of constant pounding by the GOP has worked to help bring support for legal abortion way down. Years ago support for legal abortion for oveer 80%, today that support has fallen to 49-51% (depending on the survey your read).

Also, over the years, Republicans (and especially President George W. Bush) have passed many pieces of legislation to limit abortions, while the Democrats have relentlessly fought to keep abortions legal and they have tried to expand it to even greater and easier access.

It is easy to feel dispirited, yet it is NOT time to give up. What would the brand new GOP have done behind Lincoln had people given up? Would we still have slavery?

Romney has stated he will defend life and YOU have no reason to not trust that.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Or not choose at all. I certainly won’t vote for Obama, and I don’t vote for Republicans. I’ll have to do what I did in '08 - take a pass on the Presidential candidates. 🤷
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Respectfully, it seems to me that you have an emotional attitude toward Republicans (“you don’t vote for Republicans” is an irrational attitude imo, especially since there are many great Republicans that I am certain you would be able to support if you knew them better). Perhaps you have bought the lies that the GOP is the party of the rich, and that it hates the poor. For instance, I wonder how many people know that of the 400 billionaires in the USA, something like 70% of them are Democrats, and that Republicans give far more to charity, than do Republicans.

However, placing all that aside. I’d like to know why you will not consider Romney, after all, Obama or Romney will be our next President whether you like that or not.
 
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