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LegoGE1947
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I keep pressing the “Escape” key but I’m still here!LOL–I wish, but this thread seems to continue on anyway.
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Ridgerunner
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Obama and McCaskill are going to take a terrific beating down here in the Seventh District (Springfield, Joplin, assorted towns). Guaranteed. It’s going to be up to you and Qui est-ce to make it happen up there. My general impression is that the City is Obama all the way, but that the county municipalities can be very different.I used to have that problem, then I moved to Missouri.
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Ridgerunner
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It would matter to his conscience to vote against abortion, euthanasia, infanticide-by-neglect and homosexual marriage. It would matter that way.
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Ridgerunner
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It might not be 74% in here much longer if the DNC crowd comes in.
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estesbob
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I spent a lot time in those towns back in the mid 70s Springfield was my favorite -I was a bank auditor based in KC
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scipio337
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They will win a majority in the city, but most of the county (St. Louis has a very weird county system, the city is a separate county), especially west, and most of southern St. Louis county will probably go against McCaskill & co.
Unfortunately, some votes in the city count twice (or more)
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SwizzleStick
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Also, in the city, dogs and dead people vote Democrat.They will win a majority in the city, but most of the county (St. Louis has a very weird county system, the city is a separate county), especially west, and most of southern St. Louis county will probably go against McCaskill & co.
Unfortunately, some votes in the city count twice (or more)
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Ridgerunner
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Ha! I was in banking during part of that time. Probably we met. I’ll say, this association is a good deal more pleasant than that one probably was!
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LegoGE1947
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I’ve heard that in Chicago people vote early and often!Also, in the city, dogs and dead people vote Democrat.
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qui_est_ce
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I think a lot of the people who voted Obama will not come to the polls this year. They’re mad about not getting their free cars and gasoline.They will win a majority in the city, but most of the county (St. Louis has a very weird county system, the city is a separate county), especially west, and most of southern St. Louis county will probably go against McCaskill & co.
Unfortunately, some votes in the city count twice (or more)
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Ridgerunner
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Well, some of the wealthy liberals might. They didn’t get free cars, but they did get a tax credit for buying cars they could have (and probably would have) bought anyway. Of course, that made the “clunkers” on which the poor rely for transportation, more expensive. But poor people can still “hope” for a free car, which is about as close as they’re going to get to one.
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qui_est_ce
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qui_est_ce
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This is true. But I think a lot of people who usually don’t vote voted in 2008.
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LegoGE1947
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Oh! Was I suppose to get a free car and gasoline? It’s been a real struggle pushing that car around everywhere I go. I guess it would have been more effective if the car had gasoline in it!
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LegoGE1947
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Of course, many of those “clunkers” were still drivable and would have made good transportation for some poor people. Unfortunately lots of those perfectly good cars wound up being crushed in a scrap yard.
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Scott_Lafrance
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The “history-event” of the 2008 election drew a lot of people to the polls who normally don’t vote. This year, there is a record that cannot be hidden behind high-priced lawyers. There are many people who look at this administration and just see Bush Term 3.
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scipio337
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I have an immediate family member who served as general counsel for former St. Louis mayor Clarence Harmon (and is still a yellow dog Democrat).
During the 1997 mayoral primary, he argued the day of election in Circuit Court regarding the Freeman Bosley Jr. camp’s request to keep the polls open until 10pm.
This was party infighting, but even my relative could openly state that if the polls stayed open, the Bosley camp would “find” uncounted votes in a desk drawer somewhere.
Its an unstated fact.
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bellasbane
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Who to vote for?
There is only one man running for President of the United States in 2012 who is any kind of a leader and that is Barack Hussein Obama.
Right-wing extremists paint his as some sort of liberal, but he is really a moderate who is willing to take a conservative idea from the Heritage Foundation in order to reform an inherently unjust health care system that left millions of Americans uninsured and without access to decent health care.
Right-wing extremists want to claim he kills babies, but he has never forced a woman to have an abortion - instead he would extend “government handouts” like milk and eggs to poor women so they will have something healthy to feed their children. He doesn’t see them as lazy freeloaders and does not believe the government has any right to strip a woman of her rights and dignity by dictating what happens in her uterus.
Right-wing extremists say he apologizes for the United States to the world, but he ended the Iraq war, killed Bin-Laden, helped free Libya, decimated Al-Qaeda through drone attacks, and imposed crippling sanctions on Iran and Syria that are working.
Now lets look at the alternative:
Mitt Romney is no leader. He is Grover Norquist’s ideal executive - a man with a hand and five figures who can hold a pen and who will sign any piece of legislation the right-wing puts in front of him.
He claims to be a “job creator”, but his only experience in the private sector is as a “wealth creator” who would fire people and outsource jobs in order to make a profit. He would have let Detroit go bankrupt and believes the foreclosure crisis should be allowed to hit bottom so that the vulture capitalists can sweep in and make a profit - he doesn’t care if the common people get hurt - that’s good business (i.e., Jacob Marley style).
He claims to be “Pro Life”, but he was pro-choice when it suited him while running for governor in Massachusetts (not that long ago), and he had no problem profiting from a company that disposed of babies as if they were medical waste. Mitt Romney doesn’t care about social issues - he will nod an say “yes” to anyone to get a vote.
He claims he will reform the tax code - but he won’t release his own tax returns. Why not? Where is his money? How much wealth is he hiding in Swiss bank accounts or in the Camen Islands? You can’t trust someone to reform a tax system that works so well to help him and his wealthy buddies avoid paying taxes.
He claims he will be “tough” on Iran and use military force against them - no surprise there, all his foreign policy advisers come from the Bush administration. The last thing we need is the Bush Doctrine getting us into another foreign war over oil. Factor that cost into the price per gallon you pay at the pump (which by the way has gone down significantly despite the fact that NO Keystone has been built)
I think Chris Christie said it best the other day:
“You can’t lead by being a mystery. You can’t lead by being an enigma. You can’t lead by being aloof. You can’t lead by being programmed. I think you have to lead by being yourself and who you are and then people will trust you. And when they trust you they’ll follow you,”
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/09/12643989-christie-talks-good-governance-in-dc-speech?lite
I may not like everything about Barack Hussein Obama, but I trust him and know where he stands. (Some people like to use his full name as a racial slur - we see you.) I don’t trust Mitt Romney - he is an empty suit, a lapdog of the far-right.
I hope by 2016, the GOP will have returned to sanity and Jeb Bush or Chris Christie will run for president. That would be a good day for the nation.
There is only one man running for President of the United States in 2012 who is any kind of a leader and that is Barack Hussein Obama.
Right-wing extremists paint his as some sort of liberal, but he is really a moderate who is willing to take a conservative idea from the Heritage Foundation in order to reform an inherently unjust health care system that left millions of Americans uninsured and without access to decent health care.
Right-wing extremists want to claim he kills babies, but he has never forced a woman to have an abortion - instead he would extend “government handouts” like milk and eggs to poor women so they will have something healthy to feed their children. He doesn’t see them as lazy freeloaders and does not believe the government has any right to strip a woman of her rights and dignity by dictating what happens in her uterus.
Right-wing extremists say he apologizes for the United States to the world, but he ended the Iraq war, killed Bin-Laden, helped free Libya, decimated Al-Qaeda through drone attacks, and imposed crippling sanctions on Iran and Syria that are working.
Now lets look at the alternative:
Mitt Romney is no leader. He is Grover Norquist’s ideal executive - a man with a hand and five figures who can hold a pen and who will sign any piece of legislation the right-wing puts in front of him.
He claims to be a “job creator”, but his only experience in the private sector is as a “wealth creator” who would fire people and outsource jobs in order to make a profit. He would have let Detroit go bankrupt and believes the foreclosure crisis should be allowed to hit bottom so that the vulture capitalists can sweep in and make a profit - he doesn’t care if the common people get hurt - that’s good business (i.e., Jacob Marley style).
He claims to be “Pro Life”, but he was pro-choice when it suited him while running for governor in Massachusetts (not that long ago), and he had no problem profiting from a company that disposed of babies as if they were medical waste. Mitt Romney doesn’t care about social issues - he will nod an say “yes” to anyone to get a vote.
He claims he will reform the tax code - but he won’t release his own tax returns. Why not? Where is his money? How much wealth is he hiding in Swiss bank accounts or in the Camen Islands? You can’t trust someone to reform a tax system that works so well to help him and his wealthy buddies avoid paying taxes.
He claims he will be “tough” on Iran and use military force against them - no surprise there, all his foreign policy advisers come from the Bush administration. The last thing we need is the Bush Doctrine getting us into another foreign war over oil. Factor that cost into the price per gallon you pay at the pump (which by the way has gone down significantly despite the fact that NO Keystone has been built)
I think Chris Christie said it best the other day:
“You can’t lead by being a mystery. You can’t lead by being an enigma. You can’t lead by being aloof. You can’t lead by being programmed. I think you have to lead by being yourself and who you are and then people will trust you. And when they trust you they’ll follow you,”
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/09/12643989-christie-talks-good-governance-in-dc-speech?lite
I may not like everything about Barack Hussein Obama, but I trust him and know where he stands. (Some people like to use his full name as a racial slur - we see you.) I don’t trust Mitt Romney - he is an empty suit, a lapdog of the far-right.
I hope by 2016, the GOP will have returned to sanity and Jeb Bush or Chris Christie will run for president. That would be a good day for the nation.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Ironically, I feel the exact opposite. Romney is a devout mormon and while I don’t agree with their religious theology, devout mormons are very moral people.
The only thing that I see Obama devoted to is his leftist ideology. He lacks all of the key indicators of leadership…all of them. He is a puppet of the New World Global Order and gets his marching orders from George Soros.
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