Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

[irishpatrick]

Wrong-- you are putting words in Romney’s mouth.

When did he say social issues don’t matter? Citation please.

First, he has not made his choice yet, there is growing speculation that Rice is at the top of the list. So, if Romney chooses Rice (that is an “if” right now), then “he” is saying that the social issues are not important enough to make sure the second person in-line feels the same as he does. Why would prolife people trust Romney is truly prolife if he chooses a prochoice person for his VP?

Like it or not, that choice WILL give some strongly prolife people pause.

 

[iamrefreshed]

First, he has not made his choice yet, there is growing speculation that Rice is at the top of the list. So, if Romney chooses Rich (that is an “if” right now), then “he” is saying that the social issues are not important enough to make sure the second person in-line feels the same as he does. Why would prolife people trust Romney is truly prolife is he chooses a prochoice person for his VP?

So, you hold all the social views that your boss does?

 

[irishpatrick]

So, you hold all the social views that your boss does?

Not the same, and you know that. The VP is one step away from the Presidency, and it most definitely is important what they think about a plethora of issues. I would suspect that most conservatives would be uncomfortable if Romney chose an extreme leftie as his VP running mate, just as many prolife people will take pause with a selection of Condi Rice.

 

[estesbob]

First, he has not made his choice yet, there is growing speculation that Rice is at the top of the list. So, if Romney chooses Rich (that is an “if” right now), then “he” is saying that the social issues are not important enough to make sure the second person in-line feels the same as he does. Why would prolife people trust Romney is truly prolife is he chooses a prochoice person for his VP?

A Rice/Romney ticket is superior to an /Biden/Obama in every way-on fiscal matters, foreign policy and social issues. We can not let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.

Having said that i dont think she will be his VP pick and if she is I will be upset about it-but it wont cost him my vote.

 

[irishpatrick]

A Rice/Romney ticket is superior to an /Biden/Obama in every way-on fiscal matters, foreign policy and social issues. We can not let the perfect be the enemy of the possible.

Having said that i dont think she will be his VP pick and if she is I will be upset about it-but it wont cost him my vote.

I have many times preached the notion that we cannot expect a perfect candidate…we agree on that point 100%. However, the choice of who the VP candidate will be rests with Romney, and it is his first national and most illuminating decision. If he chooses a prochoice person, he is telegraphing that the prolife cause does not mean that much to him–or at the very least, it can be seen that way by many people. I believe choosing Condi will hurt his chances with a great many prolife people. Do not forget that a great many conservatives have distrusted Romney’s prolife position, and choosing a prochoice person will NOT help them feel better.

I agree that the ticket is superior to Obama/Biden, yet that is NOT hard to attain…

I really hope you are right and that he does not pick Rice…there are many other choices.

 

[RACJ]

You know, all these national polls showing Obama leading or running in a dead heat proves how far Americans have drifted from Christian values. As well, it proves how the idea of socialism no longer scares the typical uninformed citizen. Moreover, the fact that a disciple of Saul Alinsky, who lies as easily as he draws breath, could STILL dupe tens of millions of people, is disgraceful.
Or is it that people have become so consumed by the entitlement mentality that they would vote for a resurrected Stalin over a person who believes in freedom and the U.S.Constitution? All I know is that we have one chance to save America on November 6th. There is NO other option for a Christian than to vote for Mitt Romney, no matter what HIS person belief system is. He’s not MY cup of tea, but it turns out that he is the ONLY cup of tea that can pour some common sense and restoration over America.
A bit of a caveat: My four daughters all attended Catholic schools for all 13 years. Each of them drifted further away from the faith in part b/c of their attendance at a defunct Scranton parochial HS. Fraudulent tomes such as Angels and Demons were assigned there. Earth Day was celebrated. In short, the majority of staff did not buttress the Christian faith, and I feel that I wasted my money. It’s no wonder that kids adopt goofy New Age ideas, and vote for abortion candidates like Obama, when even the people who ostensibly share your values let you down.
This election SHOULD be over, with every Christian churches voting nearly unanimously against our current hostile chief executive. Blessings, Rob

 

[CMatt25]

First, he has not made his choice yet, there is growing speculation that Rice is at the top of the list. So, if Romney chooses Rice (that is an “if” right now), then “he” is saying that the social issues are not important enough to make sure the second person in-line feels the same as he does. Why would prolife people trust Romney is truly prolife if he chooses a prochoice person for his VP?

Like it or not, that choice WILL give some strongly prolife people pause.

Beats me why they would trust him. Like you said in other posts Condi would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and there are other choices.

 

[irishpatrick]

Beats me why they would trust him. Like you said in other posts Condi would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and there are other choices.

The vasy majority would still vote for him because they dislike the alternative (Obama), yet a selection of a prochoice VP might strip away a percent or two, and that is a dangerous thing to do in this election.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Beats me why they would trust him. Like you said in other posts Condi would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency and there are other choices.

Because, unlike Obama supporters, we don’t support abortion.

 

[Jeanne_S]

You know, all these national polls showing Obama leading or running in a dead heat proves how far Americans have drifted from Christian values. As well, it proves how the idea of socialism no longer scares the typical uninformed citizen. Moreover, the fact that a disciple of Saul Alinsky, who lies as easily as he draws breath, could STILL dupe tens of millions of people, is disgraceful.
Or is it that people have become so consumed by the entitlement mentality that they would vote for a resurrected Stalin over a person who believes in freedom and the U.S.Constitution? All I know is that we have one chance to save America on November 6th. There is NO other option for a Christian than to vote for Mitt Romney, no matter what HIS person belief system is. He’s not MY cup of tea, but it turns out that he is the ONLY cup of tea that can pour some common sense and restoration over America.
A bit of a caveat: My four daughters all attended Catholic schools for all 13 years. Each of them drifted further away from the faith in part b/c of their attendance at a defunct Scranton parochial HS. Fraudulent tomes such as Angels and Demons were assigned there. Earth Day was celebrated. In short, the majority of staff did not buttress the Christian faith, and I feel that I wasted my money. It’s no wonder that kids adopt goofy New Age ideas, and vote for abortion candidates like Obama, when even the people who ostensibly share your values let you down.
This election SHOULD be over, with every Christian churches voting nearly unanimously against our current hostile chief executive. Blessings, Rob

You nailed it! Amen!

 

[Jeanne_S]

If Romney chooses Condi,I agree that it probably won’t sway the Conservative base,what other choice do we have? I like Condi Rice she is qualified for the position,don’t like some of her social policies though. However,this may very well be why she is a contender. Romney trying to appeal to a broader base,a little something for everyone,race,gender,social issues…

 

[scipio337]

If Romney chooses Condi,I agree that it probably won’t sway the Conservative base,what other choice do we have? I like Condi Rice she is qualified for the position,don’t like some of her social policies though. However,this may very well be why she is a contender. Romney trying to appeal to a broader base,a little something for everyone,race,gender,social issues…

In my view, it would be playing identity poltics, and potential proof that Romney’s “conversion” from a classic NE moderate may have been feigned.

And not only that, it would give another chance for BDS to rear its ugly head. She would make an interesting contrast in a debate with VP Biden, though.

 

[CMatt25]

Obama states that he is a Christian. By rule I am not allowed to challenge that. I am merely observing that he evokes his Christianity when it helps build rapport with his audience, but then acts in direct opposition, and sometime with intentional antagonism, to accepted Christian belief and behavior. And, by the rules given to us by Christ Himself, which outweigh and overrule the rules of this forum, we are allowed to test the fruit of anyone who calls himself Christian to see if it is good or bad.

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

Matt 7:15-20

Yes he does. And what is believed to be in “direct oppostion” to “accepted Christian belief” varies according to the Christian faith group. So I’m done arguing this point with you. I do though like the “by their fruits you will know them” verse too. I’ve even considered it when looking at clergy’s fruits.

 

[stevegravy]

Can I change my vote:
Obama: I Regret Not Speaking Slower And Using
Smaller Words. If I Had, You’d Realize How Lucky
You Are I Let You Have Me As Your President
http://theothermccain.com/2012/07/13/obama-explains-his-unpopularity-by-scapegoating-stupid-voters/

 

[CMatt25]

Because, unlike Obama supporters, we don’t support abortion.

I’m an Obama supporter vs Romney and I don’t support abortion either. I may support a woman’s right to choose or her right to legally decide for herself whether to be a mother if she were forceably raped or if her own life was in danger. Rather than the Big Brother state making that private and personal choice for her. But that’s supporting choice. Not abortion. I myself, if I were of the gender, would not have an abortion. Neither one of us is likely to change the other’s mind though on how we look at the issue. I trust God understands I reside in a society with plural views and beliefs about this issue though and what the secular legal law is as a result. And I’ll leave it at that and me to His mercy if need be.

 

[Jeanne_S]

In my view, it would be playing identity poltics, and potential proof that Romney’s “conversion” from a classic NE moderate may have been feigned.

And not only that, it would give another chance for BDS to rear its ugly head. She would make an interesting contrast in a debate with VP Biden, though.

I have to agree,good points!

 

[Mickey]

But that’s supporting choice. Not abortion.

There is no such thing as “pro-choice.” The proper term would be “pro-death.” The child in the womb does not have a choice. 56 million babies have been murdered in the last thirty years. The blood of these voiceless martyrs cries out for justice! I pray that those who support so called “legal abortion” have a change of mind and heart prior to standing before the fearsome judgement seat of Christ attempting to justify why they supported politicians who favored “legal murder on demand” of our most vulnerable children.

 

[Jeanne_S]

There is no such thing as “pro-choice.” The proper term would be “pro-death.” The child in the womb does not have a choice. 56 million babies have been murdered in the last thirty years. The blood of these voiceless martyrs cries out for justice! I pray that those who support so called “legal abortion” have a change of mind and heart prior to standing before the fearsome judgement seat of Christ attempting to justify why they supported politicians who favored “legal murder on demand” of our most vulnerable children.

:clapping:

 

[qui_est_ce]

In my view, it would be playing identity poltics, and potential proof that Romney’s “conversion” from a classic NE moderate may have been feigned.

And not only that, it would give another chance for BDS to rear its ugly head. She would make an interesting contrast in a debate with VP Biden, though.

What is BDS?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

There is no such thing as “pro-choice.” The proper term would be “pro-death.” The child in the womb does not have a choice.

Yes, however the reference to choice is to the choice the mother, not the child, may make. It is a legitimate term preferred by those who would tolerate abortion no less than using “pro-life” as a term for those who oppose abortion.

On a practical level, use of those terms is in accord with the terms each side prefers for itself, and I for one have no problem using “pro-lifer” or pro-choicer. (One can be “pro-choice” withouth being pro-abortion.)

56 million babies have been murdered in the last thirty years. The blood of these voiceless martyrs cries out for justice!

A bit of hyperbole, no?

so called "legal abortion.

Not so-called. It is a legitimate term.

“legal murder on demand”

Hyperbole. It is not murder as murder is defined in our criminal legal system.