Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

[eightandsand]

From a Pro-Life perspective…

Neither candidate is acceptible.

Mitt Romney has never legislated any Pro-Life measure. He has legislated plenty of anti-life measures, even after his so-called conversion.

Barak Obama is blatantly anti-life.

It’s win-win for monsters at planned parenthood.

We all know where Obama stands, but I still find it hard to believe that Catholics think Romney is pro-life. It almost defies reason.

And I can just picture the televised 2012 debates: Obama will bring to Mitt’s attention that, in terms of record, there really isn’t much of a difference between the two on all the important issues: life issues, bailouts, foreign policy, and the like. Obama will simply point out that while their records are almost identical, he (Obama) has consistently practiced what he preached, while Romney has consistently caved and flip-flopped. I still can’t believe that the Republicans were so stupid to nominate Romney. Obama is going to win easily. It won’t even be a fair fight. How sad. But this was predictable.

 

[eightandsand]

No news article posted in the frst post.

This is a campaigning thread for anti-life candidates. Why does the moderator allow the rules to be broken when promoting anti-life candidates?

Just what I was thinking.

Something strange is afoot.

 

[rlg94086]

General survey, will leave thread open.

No news article posted in the frst post.

This is a campaigning thread for anti-life candidates. Why does the moderator allow the rules to be broken when promoting anti-life candidates?

Just what I was thinking.

Something strange is afoot.

It is a general survey and discussion. There is nothing strange afoot. People can vote in the poll and discuss candidates…including third party candidates (“other”).

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I didn’t say he is insane…just a nutter, when it comes to politics. There are plenty of them out there. Pat Buchanan also comes to mind. Both those gentlemen can say some very insightful things at times, and then they veer off into conspiracy territory.

I find Pat Buchanan to be one of the most lucid political analysts out there. I guess “nutter” is a matter of perspective. I find David Brooks to be a “nutter”.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Though some may wish to suppress this info, there are still candidates out there who are pro-life…

The Pro Life Vote:
Pro-Life - Republican Party - Dr. Ron Paul

Pro-Life - Constitution Party - Virgil Goode

Pro-Life - Democrat Party - Randall Terry

Pro-Life? - Libertarian Party - Gary Johnson
(Questionable Pro-Life credentials)

Or you could stick with the two anti-life candidates this poll presents (which contains no source articles and is clearly campaigning for anti-life candidates, which is in violation of the rules).

Gary Johnson is openly pro-abortion. I will leave my opinion of the other candidates to myself. I don’t want to be accused of being anyone’s cheerleader.

 

[catholictiger]

Though some may wish to suppress this info, there are still candidates out there who are pro-life…

The Pro Life Vote:
Pro-Life - Republican Party - Dr. Ron Paul

Pro-Life - Constitution Party - Virgil Goode

Pro-Life - Democrat Party - Randall Terry

Pro-Life? - Libertarian Party - Gary Johnson
(Questionable Pro-Life credentials)

Or you could stick with the two anti-life candidates this poll presents (which contains no source articles and is clearly campaigning for anti-life candidates, which is in violation of the rules).

Randall Terry only ran democrat so he could run a campaign add on abortion. He really isn’t democrat.

many people will bring up the state issue on abortion with Ron Paul, I think he states that abortion is a states issue and that States should make it legal or illegal not the feds. I don’t think that is the best way to do it, but I believe Ron Paul would be a positive force for the pro life movement in the white house, even though his ultimate goal isn’t the best.

 

[LisaA]

Though some may wish to suppress this info, there are still candidates out there who are pro-life…

The Pro Life Vote:
Pro-Life - Republican Party - Dr. Ron Paul

Pro-Life - Constitution Party - Virgil Goode

Pro-Life - Democrat Party - Randall Terry

Pro-Life? - Libertarian Party - Gary Johnson
(Questionable Pro-Life credentials)

Or you could stick with the two anti-life candidates this poll presents (which contains no source articles and is clearly campaigning for anti-life candidates, which is in violation of the rules).

Regardless of any of their personal convictions those in the Democrat and Libertarian Party have a party PLATFORM that allows if not supports abortion. Dr Paul is a Libertarian who left the Republican party in disgust…over Reagan as I recall and then returned since he wanted to be re-elected. Look at the Libertarian platform and it’s basically whatever adults want to do…prostitution, porn, drugs. I am all for economic freedom but the social ills of society, even though illegal cause enough damage. I would not be for relaxing whatever standards still exist.

Even if someone says they are personally pro life, anti-drugs and prostitution, they cannot fight the juggernaut of their party.

Lisa

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Even if someone says they are personally pro life, anti-drugs and prostitution, they cannot fight the juggernaut of their party.

I fail to see how being in favor of the decriminalization of some drugs has anything to do with being opposed to prostitution and abortion. Those two are sins; alcohol and drug usage aren’t automatically sins on any level.

 

[LisaA]

We all know where Obama stands, but I still find it hard to believe that Catholics think Romney is pro-life. It almost defies reason.

And I can just picture the televised 2012 debates: Obama will bring to Mitt’s attention that, in terms of record, there really isn’t much of a difference between the two on all the important issues: life issues, bailouts, foreign policy, and the like. Obama will simply point out that while their records are almost identical, he (Obama) has consistently practiced what he preached, while Romney has consistently caved and flip-flopped. I still can’t believe that the Republicans were so stupid to nominate Romney. Obama is going to win easily. It won’t even be a fair fight. How sad. But this was predictable.

Your statement is beyond ridiculous…Obama and Romney the same on anything but both being males? Records identical? Let’s see Obama voted against the Babies Born Alive Act. Basically suggested that infanticide is something between “a woman and her doctor.” You keep posting old stuff that has been refuted time and time again. So I should believe your falsehoods and claims while ignoring well respected pro life organizations and indivduals? You must think we’re just idiots that would believe you over the likes of Abbey Johnson…

Foreign policy? Obama who obviously despises Israel, on record with a hot mic complaining about Netenyahu whereas Romney is a strong supporter and friend.

Bailouts? Romney opposed the GM bailout. I think we know where Obama stands.

I’m curious why you have such a bee in your bonnet about Romney that you think it’s fine just to make things up about him. Obama won’t win easily. I believe the American people have had enough “spreading the wealth” (mostly to HIS cronies and supporters), ineffective programs, green energy that means red ink, debt crisis, imperial dictates while ignoring the role of Congress, war against religious freedom…need I go on? Obama isn’t working…I can’t wait until November when they put a mic in front of Donald Trump and he can say “You’re FIRED!”

Lisa

 

[Lovemyfaith]

Your statement is beyond ridiculous…Obama and Romney the same on anything but both being males? Records identical? Let’s see Obama voted against the Babies Born Alive Act. Basically suggested that infanticide is something between “a woman and her doctor.” You keep posting old stuff that has been refuted time and time again. So I should believe your falsehoods and claims while ignoring well respected pro life organizations and indivduals? You must think we’re just idiots that would believe you over the likes of Abbey Johnson…

Foreign policy? Obama who obviously despises Israel, on record with a hot mic complaining about Netenyahu whereas Romney is a strong supporter and friend.

Bailouts? Romney opposed the GM bailout. I think we know where Obama stands.

I’m curious why you have such a bee in your bonnet about Romney that you think it’s fine just to make things up about him. Obama won’t win easily. I believe the American people have had enough “spreading the wealth” (mostly to HIS cronies and supporters), ineffective programs, green energy that means red ink, debt crisis, imperial dictates while ignoring the role of Congress, war against religious freedom…need I go on? Obama isn’t working…I can’t wait until November when they put a mic in front of Donald Trump and he can say “You’re FIRED!”

Lisa

couldn’t have said it better myself and so I didn’t

 

[LisaA]

I fail to see how being in favor of the decriminalization of some drugs has anything to do with being opposed to prostitution and abortion. Those two are sins; alcohol and drug usage aren’t automatically sins on any level.

I didn’t call them sins, I called them social ills. Also did NOT mention alcohol so not sure why you tossed that in. I am against the legalization of drugs, prostitution, and expansion of porn to the few places its currently restricted. These activities are destructive to innocents and damaging to society. I think we do need to contain some of these devient and destructive behaviors whereas the Libertarians are “hey whatever works for you dude!”

Lisa

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I didn’t call them sins, I called them social ills. Also did NOT mention alcohol so not sure why you tossed that in. I am against the legalization of drugs, prostitution, and expansion of porn to the few places its currently restricted.

Tossed alcohol in because it, too can be a social ill. I have no problem with alcohol and the use of other than hard drugs

These activities are destructive to innocents and damaging to society.

Agree except for the use of recreational drugs like marijuana and alcohol. Children need no exposure to them, and moderate use by adults is acceptable (I’ve been known to drink wine or beer with my food, and am not averse to the occasional gin and tonic. )

I think we do need to contain some of these devient and destructive behaviors whereas the Libertarians are “hey whatever works for you dude!”

They have their position and most of the rest of us have ours.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Look at the Libertarian platform and it’s basically whatever adults want to do

Yes. Libertarianism is the ultimate Pro-Everything-Choice party.

 

[catholictiger]

Regardless of any of their personal convictions those in the Democrat and Libertarian Party have a party PLATFORM that allows if not supports abortion. Dr Paul is a Libertarian who left the Republican party in disgust…over Reagan as I recall and then returned since he wanted to be re-elected. Look at the Libertarian platform and it’s basically whatever adults want to do…prostitution, porn, drugs. I am all for economic freedom but the social ills of society, even though illegal cause enough damage. I would not be for relaxing whatever standards still exist.

Even if someone says they are personally pro life, anti-drugs and prostitution, they cannot fight the juggernaut of their party.

Lisa

Dr. Paul is still rebuplican but views are more libertraian In nature

I also hate the idea that we should vote based on party platform instead of the canidate actually believes

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Foreign policy? Obama who obviously despises Israel, on record with a hot mic complaining about Netenyahu whereas Romney is a strong supporter and friend.

That doesn’t make Romney’s position superior to Obama’s. One can despise Israel or Syria, for that matter, as one chooses.

 

[LisaA]

Tossed alcohol in because it, too can be a social ill. I have no problem with alcohol and the use of other than hard drugs

Agree except for the use of recreational drugs like marijuana and alcohol. Children need no exposure to them, and moderate use by adults is acceptable (I’ve been known to drink wine or beer with my food, and am not averse to the occasional gin and tonic. )

They have their position and most of the rest of us have ours.

Rich, honestly think you are trying to mitigate the “whatever you want” aspect of Libertarianism by including alcohol in the argument. Marijuana is not just a ‘recreational drug’ and I do not think children “need to be exposed” to it. You cannot equate this to a glass of wine a glass of wine with dinner.

Again the point is that even if someone like Dr Paul is personally opposed to a particular aspect of the party, if the platform supports that activity, then his personal feelings matter little more than when people try to support abortion by saying “Well I wouldn’t do it but it’s a matter of personal choice.” You can’t overcome the platform with one vote.

Lisa

 

[LisaA]

That doesn’t make Romney’s position superior to Obama’s. One can despise Israel or Syria, for that matter, as one chooses.

Yes but his actions have followed his personal dislike…the White House leaks regarding Israel’s actions have compromised not only its position but its strategy for dealing with its enemies. His support of Bashar Assad (remember Hillary saying we can work with him, he’s a reformer!" has allowed slaughter to continue apace while the White House fiddles.

Obama has a clear record of compromises when it comes to our enemies and hostility toward our friends. His foreign policy is scary. I don’t trust him at all…remember the hot mic when talking to Putin? Gee once I get elected I can stop worrying about the stupid American people and do what I want.

Hope you sleep better at night than I do

Lisa

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich, honestly think you are trying to mitigate the “whatever you want” aspect of Libertarianism by including alcohol in the argument. Marijuana is not just a ‘recreational drug’ and I do not think children “need to be exposed” to it. You cannot equate this to a glass of wine a glass of wine with dinner.

Well, you and I differ about the recreational drug characteristics of alcohol and of marijuana. I honestly believe that neither is injurious to adults when used in moderation. Yes, too much alcohol and one might trigger the disease of alcoholism or bring on the ruinous situation of being a drunkard; marijuana similarly could lead to harder drugs or an inability to cope with life. But, I was thinking more along the lines of a max of two or three drinks and one or two joints, both of which would be moderate use.

I agree that children ought not be exposed to either.

 

[rlg94086]

Your statement is beyond ridiculous…Obama and Romney the same on anything but both being males? Records identical? Let’s see Obama voted against the Babies Born Alive Act. Basically suggested that infanticide is something between “a woman and her doctor.” You keep posting old stuff that has been refuted time and time again. So I should believe your falsehoods and claims while ignoring well respected pro life organizations and indivduals? You must think we’re just idiots that would believe you over the likes of Abbey Johnson…

Foreign policy? Obama who obviously despises Israel, on record with a hot mic complaining about Netenyahu whereas Romney is a strong supporter and friend.

Bailouts? Romney opposed the GM bailout. I think we know where Obama stands.

I’m curious why you have such a bee in your bonnet about Romney that you think it’s fine just to make things up about him. Obama won’t win easily. I believe the American people have had enough “spreading the wealth” (mostly to HIS cronies and supporters), ineffective programs, green energy that means red ink, debt crisis, imperial dictates while ignoring the role of Congress, war against religious freedom…need I go on? Obama isn’t working…I can’t wait until November when they put a mic in front of Donald Trump and he can say “You’re FIRED!”

Lisa

Exactly. Your post is a great refutation of the “there is no difference” meme.

 

[Mickey]

But, I was thinking more along the lines of a max of two or three drinks and one or two joints, both of which would be moderate use.

Did your confessor/spiritual father tell you that a couple joints per day is considered moderate and proper consumption for marijuana?